cheranne

That is just dumb. Dreams are awesome.

Sounds like a prison sentence! :blink:

Remember Love Connection?

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Not so much smoking pot but we sure could drink you under the table!

Ok 2 times with belivers, once at a Bob Segar Concert and somewhere in New Mexico?

Waysider! you are funny!

Sorry you guys! It won't let me delete it maybe Moderate can do it.

Just trying to make people laugh

Your granddaughter is right!

Jennifer Knapp will be at Lillith Fair this year.

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I think about The people of The Way International EVERYDAY for I was once 1 of them on the Tree of Life!

If I were Music this is what I would say my Recovery has felt like after 30 years OUT.

I know you go into The Way International and your Heart is right ,but then.....the message is WRONG, no matter how you slice it. But I think about ya'll everyday and pray for you

to be FREE.

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So according to Stack this all started in the 1980's when friends

introduced him to a group of people who held meetings with 'readings and discussions' and who among other things had great disdain for the 'vulgar and corrupt Catholic Church'............

Gees...... where have I heard of some group like that before?

its right on the tip of my tongue somewhere...

just sayin

Yeah! I hear that sounds familiar too!

what Ham said go to the website ! If the media digs deep enough

all kinds of skeletons are going to pop out of there concerning The Way International.

This was in The Austin Newspaper (I noticed he used the word "brainwashed". and

wasn't Senator Moyniham also a grad of PFAL)not that Joe Stack was in The Way International.

The site has since been pulled down, apparently at the request of the

FBI. Text follows:

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this

have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has

been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months

ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization

that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is

really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with

example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing

it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my

gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the

storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m

not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no

society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this

country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our

dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We

are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this

place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble

principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these

was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years

of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my

childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal

is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair

share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great

degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote

on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for

that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I

have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit

unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for

scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash

under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the

force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their

aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call

the American medical system, including the drug and insurance

companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and

stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s

leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their

vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves,

liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless

time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the

“terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long

as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits

rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum

in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system?

Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the

brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly

“holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for

fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law

“requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can

say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s

not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a

totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the

early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school,

somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I

could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to

a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.

In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful

“exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic

Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the

help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the

business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing

(except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the

government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a

great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules,

exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a

much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of

organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest

living. However, this is where I learned that there are two

“interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for

the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and

enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in

this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my

life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for

the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based

on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how

naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American

public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their

“freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the

face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of

them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the

first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984

after making my way through engineering school and still another five

years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of

launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should

digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination

for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very

young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my

early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my

own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My

neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at

that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her

husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central

Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for

his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to

look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands

who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt

union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and

stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living

on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to

splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and

heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after

all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely

appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with

each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion

tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like

her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and

bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I

decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that

I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as

a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years

later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy

executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought

us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York

Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act

with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section

1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers)

for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report

(http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport)

regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant

parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws

affect technical services workers and their clients, read our

discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by

adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an

individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and

another person, provides services for such other person as an

engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or

other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply

to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is

saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may

as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover,

they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and

directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years

later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at

least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any

senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did,

and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I

spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any

and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to

mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that

our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers

who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration

of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was

spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile

exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a

pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to

enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This

immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the

regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of

course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle.

If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering

and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A.

depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t

need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern

California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was

economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized

Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one

gave a dang about all of the young families who lost their homes or

street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan

companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall.

Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle

trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once

again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust

and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were

grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that,

‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for

months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive.

Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of

the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me

to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies

WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not

quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to

California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out

that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance

and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never

experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I

was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the

three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to

drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice

department is all on the take and doesn’t give a .... about serving

anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the

last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth

expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that

year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need.

The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t

notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I

attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no

longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend

over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world,

following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another

accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a

boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new

business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After

considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to

get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were

in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and

he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except

that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported

income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all

along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it

out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally

evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend

transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at

least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I

never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever

matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great”

depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping

out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything.

Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that

they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal

from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a

joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the

wealthy .... up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a

clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as

a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent

presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years

certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally

true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body

count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the

government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to

bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand.

It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their

freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor

immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are

sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body

to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep

looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass,

I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to

pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white

washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it

will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve

that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government

reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people

wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their

mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire

life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the

answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big

chunks of dang at the top have known this all along and have been

laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all

along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the

same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be

different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big

Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh

and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each

according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each

according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

Good Point!

In speaking on the "fringe element" at twi......a little bit of history is in order. Back in 1975-79, wierwille and co. were purporting paranoia and conspiracy theories involving our federal government. From the wierwille camp and corps coordinator podiums, the way corps HAD to devise a secret location in the event that the "Red Dawn" happened (government overthrow, foreign or domestic). All MAL-paks (more abundant living backpacks) were cross-checked by twi leadership to have all supplies necessary.

While inresidence, I remember two "Red Alerts" to guage the response and readiness of the corps. We were to meet in top floor Wierwille Library in ten minutes for briefing of "the emergency." At times, there were hush-hush instructions given to others on a "need to know" basis.

To the corps, wierwille publically stated that if cult hysteria continued to build, the corps would be the first to be hunted down by the FBI and government authorities. And, anyone who spent any time around any of wierwille's bodyguards got a heavy dose of paranoia and government distrust. Add to this, the mandatory assigning of 4-hour "bless patrol" to the corps, the red-alerts, the regimentation of following commands, the "us versus them" teachings and training, and lockbox teaching all feed these fringes.

One of the family corps guys, FC-7......was a military veteran and munitions specialist. At the rock of ages events, we were assigned near each other through the years. In 1982, one of his roa duties was to crawl under the main stage daily and inspect it for bombs or other threats.....wierwille personally gave him this assignment.

The corps indoctrination immersed many of us into this paranoid/suspicious mindset.

Good Point!

Since it was suspicious everything is under investigation(as it should be)

Maybe they will look at TWI a little closer. The truth comes out sooner or later.

How it gets there is always unpredicable.

(and all these other newpapers too)

For Texas Pilot, Rage Simmered With Few Hints Feb 20, 2010 ... His wife, Sheryl Stack, issued a brief statement, ... On July 8, 2007, Mr. Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. Since settling in Austin in the late 1980s, Ms. Housh had made ...

www.post-gazette.com/pg/10051/1037445-84.stm - 14 hours ago -

For Texas Pilot, Rage Simmered With Few Hints | | Ocala.com Feb 20, 2010 ... Despite years of expansion, the city remains chummy enough that a local reporter, ... Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ... Update: FHP names two killed, four hurt in crash ...

www.ocala.com/article/20100220/ZNYT02/2203004?... - 9 hours ago -

For Texas Pilot, Rage Simmered With Few Hints | | TuscaloosaNews.com Feb 20, 2010 ... Despite years of expansion, the city remains chummy enough that a local reporter, writing in the Friday edition ... On July 8, 2007, Mr. Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/.../-1/SPORTS14?... - 10 hours ago -

Texas pilot showed few hints of rage - TwinCities.com Feb 19, 2010 ... After a few years, Stack dropped out of the band. Eli was booking more extensive touring dates, and Stack was ... On July 8, 2007, Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

www.twincities.com/national/ci_14437641 - 15 hours ago -

Acquaintances Saw No Anger in Texas Pilot « Elite Article Source Joseph Stack III, the 53-year-old amateur pilot who crashed his small airplane into ... the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

www.elitearticlesource.com/acquaintances-saw-no-anger-in-texas-pilot -

Texas pilot's life gave no clues | | HeraldTribune.com Feb 20, 2010 ... After a few years, Stack dropped out of the band. Eli was booking more extensive ... On July 8, 2007, Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. Stack doted on his new wife and her ...

www.heraldtribune.com/article/20100220/.../NEWSSITEMAP - 14 hours ago -

For Texas pilot, rage simmered with few hints - CharlotteObserver.com Feb 20, 2010 ... Once inside, he found four men and a woman trapped. ... He performed on one album and onstage for about three years. ... On July 8, 2007, Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

www.charlotteobserver.com/408/story/1260172.html - 11 hours ago -

Piano/ Vocal / Sheet Music /Singing/ Choral/Voice On July 8, 2007, Mr. Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, . ...

piano-vocal.com/ - Cached - Similar -

CRISIS Stack's letter to the IRS - - Page 2 - TimeBomb 2000 6 posts - 6 authors - Last post: yesterday

I have been predicting for over twenty years that our country was heading down the road to civil war or anarchy, .... On July 8, 2007, Mr. Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?p=3654195 -

My World Earth: For Texas Pilot, Rage Simmered With Few Hints ... Feb 19, 2010 ... Walls stained with blood: Inside the Mexican house. ...... His wife, Sheryl Stack, issued a brief statement, ... On July 8, 2007, Mr. Stack married the former Sheryl Housh, a divorced piano instructor who had once spent four years with The Way International, widely regarded as a religious cult. ...

myworldearth.blogspot.com/.../for-texas-pilot-rage-simmered-with-few.html - 15 hours ago -

O.K., this has little to do with the topic, but to my knowledge there is no newspaper around here with the name "Seattle Washington News". There's the "Seattle Post Intelligencer", but that's gone strictly online now, and then there's the "Seattle Times".

But I've only been here for 50 years now, maybe I'm missing something...

mynorthwest.com(and all AP NEWS)

The Boston Globe and Seattle Washington News says it too. But she is OUT of The Cult now.

still it is an issue because it is in her history,I would like to know why she decided to leave The Way International ,Boston papers say

having spent several years in the sway of a religious cult before her parents orchestrated a rescue.

I don't think it is weird at all,I am very sad that happened to all the people involved.

Didn't the news say he burned his house down too.

The cause and effect of Cults teachings in peoples lives can make people react differant

than others not effected by this STRESS.

Belle I think this is an eye opener for people still in The Way International,especially to be in The New York Times,but then again in 1978 after Jonestown people still did NOT listen

to the medias warning of Cult involvement.

The amount of time in a cult is not so much the point it is the depth of the dive in water

you are unable to keep yourself from drowning in.(symbolically speaking )

It made me think about how they want everyone to be Mortage Free or they couldn't be "leaders".

sad...and very brave and couragous for him to speak.

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That was GRRRrrreat.

Grandson by any chance Cheranne?

How did you guess!