Grace Valerie Claire

On June 2, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Raf said:

Most of the moderators are gone. So I take this request a little bit personally. That's not a negative statement. Just a fact.

The political forum raised the level of acrimony on this page to a point that was not constructive. We had to make a decision that was in the best interest of this site, a decision about what the purpose of this forum is.

It's just not politics. Well we are more than happy to host discussions about a wide variety of topics, political discussions generate problems that are not worth monitoring or policing. And we have no desire to leave a forum unmoderated.

The decreased traffic on this site is, in my opinion, strong evidence that many people who have been told over the years to get a life have done so.

On December 8, 2006 at 3:09 AM, GrouchoMarxJr said:

Rumrunner is being much too modest...he may not be a lawyer but he certainly knows the difference between the defacto standard andncle winkie's industrial stain remover.

OMG!!  Groucho, I don't know why but your statement made me laugh!!  Thanks!

On December 8, 2006 at 3:09 AM, GrouchoMarxJr said:

Rumrunner is being much too modest...he may not be a lawyer but he certainly knows the difference between the defacto standard and uncle winkie's industrial stain remover.

OMG anything to get away from the election!!  Groucho, I'm not sure if you meant that to be funny, but it made me laugh!!  Perhaps that is why you are Groucho Marx Jr.

On October 27, 2009 at 7:52 PM, chockfull said:

I tell you TWI's talent for stupidity exceeds just about any other corporation out there. With their whole treatment of the "Corps" they've managed to alienate about 95% of the people who took 4 years out of their life to go to their supposed college level training program. What other college can you attend where you are either controlled completely or ostracized? Dictated to as to who you marry?

Common sense tells you it's simply ludicrous. Spouse Corps are certainly among those mistreated. A normal rational response to this would be giving TWI the middle finger.

Very interesting topic!!  I left TWI because the Navy sent me to Italy. 

When I came back to the US, TWI had fallen on hard times.  I no longer attended TWI events, but I did attend in-home fellowships.  I had no idea of all that evil that had happened in TWI; I was sickened when I first learned of what so many of my fellow believers had endured.  Never again will I trust people the way I used to; how could "Christians" be so warped??  From what I have learned here at the GSC, TWI is almost dead.  I pray that someday that the people who were wounded during their time in TWI, will be healed, and that God will take care of those who did such evil.

On August 19, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Lanikaigal said:

I put this in my "About Me" area -- but figured I'd post it here too. 

I joined GSC recently ... mostly to learn, but occasionally to contribute.  Recently, I've been reading posts going back years.  It's amazing how many "light bulbs" have already gone off for me on many levels since reading what I have here already!  I've been lurking for a couple of years here -- but only very sporadically.  I tried to "join" a few times, but could never get my log-in to work over a period of about a year or more!  Only now -- with the new format -- was I able to register and actually get into the site successfully under a screen name and password.  (To say I'm a bit slow technology-wise would be a huge understatement.)  : )

A brief "bio" ... I was involved in da way from 1977 through about 1992 or so (witnessed to by wows, Jim Baker, Bob Darnell and a gal named Annie in Mt. Vernon, NY in June of '77); went wow twice and graduated 11th Corps; first assignment was Limb Coordinator Brit Lynn's secretary in West Virginia; next year became slave labor for Way Home leader and perv Area Coordinator Alan Licht in Yonkers, NY; extricated self by moving to NYC for new job; occasionally attended "way offshoot" events/fellowships there until about '92 or so, at which point I called it quits on anything having to do with TWI or any of its offshoots.  I reached that point of walking away after a rather dramatic (and I think Spirit inspired) moment after a chance meeting on a cross-town bus in NYC -- where I got "witnessed to" by some wide-eyed-with-wonder Church of Christ "disciples" who invited me to their home fellowship on the Upper West Side of Manhattan that night.  I had a HUGE "ah-ha" moment when I realized that THEY were ME 15 years earlier, when I was "witnessing" to others with that same wide-eyed zealous wonder!  When I got off the bus a few minutes later, I was in deep thought as I walked up the two flights to my little studio apartment in a lovely brownstone a half a block from Central Park.  I sat down at my table, opened my Bible to the gospels, and asked Jesus (out loud!) to be the only one I'd ever listen to again.  I read only the Gospels and Psalms for the next several months -- asking only that Jesus -- if he were REAL -- would reveal who he was to me.  It really was a beautiful epiphany -- in that I figured if this Christianity thing was really true -- than certainly The One who began it all would and could illuminate me.  I've never regretted that choice.  There were a few years in there when I succumbed to the propaganda that we MUST be in some sort of "congregation" and so I church-shopped for a while (with some hilarious results along the way!) ... but I always came back to the exact place I was on that day in Manhattan when I decided to leave Wayville and get back in touch with the Jesus Who'd shown me who He was years earlier -- when I was just 14 years old!  ; )

Thanks for reading this ... I look forward to getting to know some of youz guys here in the days ahead. 

Hi L!!  Sorry about just the "L" but no way, will I ever remember your screen name!!  I have been coming to the GSC for years, but I too had a hard time logging in!!  Wow, you were got in a year before I did; 1978 for me.  I got out in 1988.  From what I read here in GSC, the late 80's and early 90's were among the Fog years.  I guess Craig really went nuts with all his purges; I think Rosie also went overboard with her leadership!  If you can call it leadership.  I remember JAL and his wife Pat when they were the Limb Leaders of NY. Late 70's, early 80's (?).  This was before John and Pat were divorced, obviously.  I know John is a bit off these days, but at one time, he and Pat were fun to be around, and taught great teachings.  The Limb meetings in Hunter Moutain 

every year was a great time to hear The Word, and fellowship with people from all over the state.  

I do have special memories of moving The Word in New York State, before TWI fell apart.

On February 17, 2016 at 0:41 PM, Raf said:

I was wondering if anyone could think of things we were taught in TWI that actually count as wisdom even now, regardless of theological agreement or disagreement.

I can think of one off the top of my head:

"Sincerity is no guarantee for truth."

I think that is one of the most profound statements I have ever encountered.

Any others?

"A good business deal profits both parties."  I think VPW said this in the PFAL class(?).

On January 7, 2016 at 10:08 AM, shortfuse said:

I hope I'm there at the return too, and when you see VPW, and go into your, "Hi, God bless. How are you?" that the two of you share a warm embrace, and that VP is a little clingier than you expected, and the hug lingers, and just as you are starting to think "this is awkward", right at that moment the two of you line up perfectly and I come up and with one kick drill both of you squarely in the satchel while I shout, "TWO-FER!' That's my heaven. It will smart, but then again, you will be in your new body and recover super quickly so all good.

Shortfuse, now I know why I come to GSC!! Your post me laugh.  Usually I can forgive people for their mistakes; God knows I make them every day.  However, VPW caused so much grief, and misery, 

and never thought about how it would impact the lives of others.

Will he even go to heaven??

Krys, I think you are right!!  What a

SOB!!  What gave him the right to cause so much misery and harm to so many people in the name of God??  Some day, VPW will have to deal with God, as we all will.  

God will have the final say in dealing with garbage like him!!

On January 3, 2016 at 0:50 PM, krys said:

With or without my pistol?

Keys, I know what you mean!!  What a wicked, wicked man.  He had the Midas touch in reverse; everything he touched turned to 

s--t.

On January 2, 2016 at 1:59 PM, JavaJane said:

Let's say VP was alive.

What would you say to him?

I have been asking myself this today, and I don't even know at this point if I would talk to him or if I would just pass him by.

If you were the same person you were when you left TWI, what would you do?

Violence?

Questions?

Confrontation?

Good question JJ !!  If I saw him today, knowing what I know about him, I would run as fast, and as far away as I could!!!  I am afraid, I would punch his lights out; what a sick puppy he turned out to be.  I can't believe that he was a man of the cloth.  How dare he say that he was a man of God, when in reality he was a the Devil's man!!

On June 14, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Twinky said:

Fear. Surrounding by bodyguards.

I think of the Prez of the USA and the vast motorcade that carries him around.

The henchmen and heavies that apparently surrounded VPW (he was dead before I got too involved, so no personal knowledge). I don't disbelief the reports.

Even pop stars and other celebs have heavies to protect them (or enhance their egos).

And I think of the Queen of England, a tiny woman only 5'2", who walks about, stands about, stands in open motor vehicles. With very little obvious protection detail. I have been at an event where she has been so close I could have reached out and touched her (she wouldn't mind; the very discreet SAS would have been watching veeerrry carefully). You (as Americans) might think she has little or no power; you'd be wrong. Simply, she is understated in all she does.

She is the head of the Anglican church and always goes to church on Sundays (usually driving herself there) and sits quietly in some random pew (nowhere special, not the pew reserved for her.) She means it when she prays for her people, prays for God's strength in her life. But that's not a part of her public face; few actually see that. She herself writes, and records, a Christmas message and always mentions Jesus Christ and his accomplishments, and if you read through the speeches, she quietly explains the gospel message - to the world.

Oh, and she never rants or raves at people.

If the cornfield clown had been shot at.killed, it's hard to see what difference, in world terms, that would make.

If the Queen had been killed, there would have been international mourning.

Twinky, I do think your point is valid; why does the Queen of England have so little protection whereas VPW had armed bodyguards??  I never understood 

why he needed his bodyguards to have guns.  I wonder if perhaps he felt that some people might come after him for what he did to some of the women.  A lot of people would be upset if the Queen died; if Rosie R., or Craig died, who would care.  I'm sure that some might mourn their passing.  I wouldn't nor would I pretend too.

On March 6, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Twinky said:

MRAP, wannabe Corps didn't necessarily intend to give up anything. They may well have really wanted to serve, and serve more effectively. It may be that they'd had a good twig or branch leader (there were some!) who was inspirational. Or maybe they'd just really wanted to serve God better in the communities where they found themselves - personal and professional.

Once in rez, however, the usual trick of moving the goalposts took place. It got to be, "a dog returning to its vomit" if you wanted to return to your community or especially (gasp) to your profession. After all the training and hard work they'd put into getting us to this superior spiritual elite (cough), for us then to throw it away by going back to where we came...

Now some might have returned to exactly where they'd been but others wanted to minister more effectively in their communities. For myself, I have a lot of hard-earned and dearly gained professional experience in a "caring" type profession - I liked working to fight for people's rights and to stand up for the "little man" who was not treated well by people or organisations with a lot of money or power. People in real need. What a great inroad into people's lives I'd had. And I hoped to be able to bring them to the real Hope.

I can't even begin to tell you of the disgust that was heaped on me when I started to apply for work after being in rez. Clearly if I'd gone to flip burgers at MacD's that would have been more acceptable.

There were talented and skilled people in all walks of life that had entered the Corps. Were they given an opportunity to serve in those kinds of roles? No!!!!! What a waste!! Yet these could have been great opportunities to reach out to the needy and desperate. Yeah, like TWI really meant what it said when it said that stuff on the green card. (We really need a vomit icon in the emoticons!)

My experience in this wasn't unique. But you could return to your old community if you were from an elite group that was influential or likely to bring in big money or bring in "big" names or you were part of one of the families that were highly connected in TWI.

Twinky, you are so right!!  I never understood why TWI wasted the talents of its people.  I know back in 1979, my WOW Branch Leader, 

got upset with me when I told him I was leaving IL, and moving back to New York State to attend college.  Many WOWs did stay in their area after their year was up.  But I knew that Lincoln had freed the slaves, and I wanted my freedom after the rigors of my year in the field.  My Branch Leader was ticked that I was leaving, and 

made sure that he put pressure on 

me to stay.   A few months after I left, I found discovered that many of the Wows still in the area, were not doing well.  I blossomed once 

I got to college.  I am thankful for listening to the small voice in my head, and not the Branch Leader's.

On July 24, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Twinky said:

There is therefore now great condemnation to them that are in The Way Ministry.

Always.

Twinky, please honey, be careful what you write in your posts!!  I almost fainted when I read what you wrote!!  Bull's eye!!  I am very sure there is a lot of condemnation for those in Way World.  But, why do people stay, knowing how twisted the organization is?  There are probably very good reasons, at least to those who remain, why they stay.  But I fear that by remaining, they will never see how great life can be outside of TWI.  Myself, I could never live with all the condemnation I would accumulate by being in, and around The Way.  From what I have read at GSC, TWI condemns people who leave, or who have left.  How ungodly, and evil can an organization be?  I would constantly condemn myself, and others if I lived in a state of constant condemnation.  But I choose to leave years ago, and have never regretted it.

7 hours ago, waysider said:

I think the realization they were able to keep so much hidden speaks volumes about just how corrupt and deceptive the whole operation was.

Waysider, I think you are right.  I think so many of us "peons" had no idea how corrupt it was it really 

was.  I do not think it turned corrupt overnight; I wonder if VPW 

started TWI as an organization to fulfill his own lusts.  When did the 

deceptions begin; or was TWI built 

on decpetion after decpetion? 

On January 14, 2007 at 5:18 PM, excathedra said:

thank you kit

i'm still reeling

no mommy should have to bury their child

thank you for listening

So true!!  I am not a mother, but I buried my neice ten years ago. Her death has left a hole in my heart that never will mended.  I believe when I die, I will be reunited with her forever.

My darling neice, Holly Kay Claire, left this world on 2/28/2006.  She was the love of my life; I will miss her until the day I die.

6 hours ago, TLC said:

To put it bluntly, It wasn't all "so many" that knew.  Which might cause one to ponder what sort of number or percentage the "very many" of those directly involved actually was. (Not that any should be thought insignificant or in some perverted way, acceptable.)  It just might not be "as many," nor as universally condoned by those that were enthusiastically involved in the earlier days (say, the 1970's) of TWI as certain testimonies here at GSC might lead you to believe. 

TLC, I am not sure if anyone will ever know who did what with whom.  When I was involved with TWI, back in the 70's and 80's, it seemed as if everything in Way World, was just glorious!!!  At least that was my perception.  OMG, TLC when CG came out with his POOP paper in 1986, I was stunned!!!  It never occurred to me 

that trouble had been brewing among TWI top leadership.  I was stationed in Newport, R.I. when CG's paper was read in a TWIG.  WTF!!  TLC, I had no idea of what was going on in other areas of Way World; Twigs in Newport were running classes, and believers were still supporting TWI with their time and money.  I know, because I was one of them.

TLC, The Word was alive and moving, in Newport!!  Twigs were still fun, and people were fellowshipping as often as possible.  Then in the summer(?) of 86, I found out that what was happening in my little area of Way World, might not be happening in the rest of the country or overseas.!  TLC, I had been blindsided, and it was painful!!  Years later I came to the GSC,  and learned that I still did not know all the sinfulness, and wickness that had happened throughout much of Way World, which I throught at one time, had been God's Ministry. God, how could I have been so wrong!!  After coming to the GSC, I discovered I had no idea of the amount of evil that had taken place in TWI, while I was in!!  I had no idea that so many people in the top rungs of TWI had committed so many sick, and perverted evils to others in God's name.  How could this have happened to so many wonderful people who just wanted to live Godly lives??!! TLC, 

I think I am finally learning "the real story" behind the fall of TWI, and so much of it stinks worse than a used diaper.  But I keep coming back because I see so much love, and kindness here. I also see a lot of humor here!!  No matter how my day went, I can always find something here at the GSC that leaves me in awe!!  It is so comforting to come and learn the true heart of God!!

12 hours ago, Twinky said:

Grace, it wasn't just one woman who was raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by VPW.  There were very many.  Very many.

And it wasn't just assault by VPW but by LCM and other top leaders.  Well - some weren't even "top leaders."  And they weren't even all just American leaders.  What I'm saying is that "Word over the World" aka Assault over the World, was just that.  Assault over the (Way) World.

Twinky, you are so right!!  I had no idea until I came to the GSC that so many women had been assaulted by VPW, LCM, CG, ect.

Hell, I had no idea of all the evil games that people played  in Way

World.  I think many of us were never told of what happened behind-the-scenes in various Twigs.  Coming to the GSC, has been so eye-opening in so many ways!!!!  Twinky, I was in Way World from 1978-1988.  I met some really great people who wanted to live Godly lives, and asked for nothing in return.  I know this because, I was one of those people.  Twinky, when I first

read that so many women had gone thru hell in trying to live Godly lives, I felt so angry!!!  I wanted to go to NK and p--s on VPW's grave.  I felt so betrayed!!! Not only had I been betrayed, but I had been lied too for years, and years.  Twinky, now I know that  for so many of us in TWI, we had given so much, only to find out years later that we had been taken advantage of.  Twinky, I felt so guilty that I gave my money to The Way for so long without knowing the evil ways it was being used.!! 

I know God has forgiven me for this, but it was hard for me to forgive myself.  When that woman described in detail, here in GSC, how she had been assaulted by one of the top men in TWI, I cried, and cried.!!!  How could so much sin, and wickness be allowed to continue in TWI??!!  If I had known 

about about all the wickness going on in TWI, I would have left and taken my ABS with me!!!  Twinky,  I can not believe that so many people in leadership positions knew that women were being raped, and did NOTHING about it!!!!!  How sick can people be??!!  Now, I know why; it was always about the money!!  Money, 

lust, and power!!  So many of the leaders of TWI craved these things.  They did not care that so many people were hurt so badly just to give these a--holes what they wanted when they wanted it.

OMG!!  How damn evil and sick can men be??!! Twinky, I have learned so much about the sinfulness of TWI since coming to the GSC.  But, I wish I had known 

back in 1978, what I know today about it.  I would have gotten out much, much sooner!! 

hell

On July 8, 2016 at 8:01 PM, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Funny, huh, SkyRider?

Let's just face it. Dictor Paul was just a country-bumpkin, ignorant, abused, drunken, redneck dumbdang from rural American Germany in Ohio. He was just plain DUMB! DUMBER! DUMBEREST! He was a joke to his own family, a joke to his hometown, a joke in high school and college, member of America First in the 30's and 40's to keep his buddy hitler safe from US entry into WW II......hence, a joke to his country, and a joke to the god, Christ, and world he wanted to dominate. He was an insignificant malignant paranoid narcissist, alcoholic, serial rapist and sexual abuser who lied, conned, and bullied his way through a meaningless and viciously destructive existence on this good earth. Good riddance.

DWBH. I love reading your posts!!

Either they make me think, or they make me laugh; sometimes they

do both.  Seriously I have a question; how did VPW avoid the military?  I know he was quick to parade military members on stage during meetings.  All the years I have spent reading about him here at the GSC; I have never read 

how he avoided military service during WWIi.  I think I read in one of the threads something about how "he did not want to fight against The Fatherland" or words to that effect .  I know when the war started, he was married and had a son.  But this is what I do not understand; a lot of married men with Kids still served.  I do not understand how a healthy young man with, or without a family, avoided the draft.  I know that as "a man of the cloth," he had to have known that many men of God, are/were in the military.  Seriously DWBH, being a Veteran

myself, and having several men in my family who are also Veterans, I find it very strange that VPW never served.  Thanks!!

On July 8, 2016 at 8:01 PM, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Funny, huh, SkyRider?

Let's just face it. Dictor Paul was just a country-bumpkin, ignorant, abused, drunken, redneck dumbdang from rural American Germany in Ohio. He was just plain DUMB! DUMBER! DUMBEREST! He was a joke to his own family, a joke to his hometown, a joke in high school and college, member of America First in the 30's and 40's to keep his buddy hitler safe from US entry into WW II......hence, a joke to his country, and a joke to the god, Christ, and world he wanted to dominate. He was an insignificant malignant paranoid narcissist, alcoholic, serial rapist and sexual abuser who lied, conned, and bullied his way through a meaningless and viciously destructive existence on this good earth. Good riddance.

DWBH. I love reading your posts!!

Either they make me think, or they make me laugh; sometimes they

do both.  Seriously I have a question; how did VPW avoid the military?  I know he was quick to parade military members on stage during meetings.  All the years I have spent reading about him here at the GSC; I have never read 

how he avoided military service during WWIi.  I think I read in one of the threads something about how "he did not want to fight against The Fatherland" or words to that effect .  I know when the war started, he was married and had a son.  But this is what I do not understand; a lot of married men with Kids still served.  I do not understand how a healthy young man with, or without a family, avoided the draft.  I know that as "a man of the cloth," he had to have known that many men of God, are/were in the military.  Seriously DWBH, being a Veteran

myself, and having several men in my family who are also Veterans, I find it very strange that VPW never served.  Thanks!!

On July 19, 2016 at 1:56 AM, DontWorryBeHappy said:

"(And no one has mentioned yet anything about this great "research" they did uncovered and/or taught others. I guess that don't matter one whit. They MUST have been right, given how wrong VP was on everything else...)".....TLC.

Well let's get that cleared up then. Dr. Bernegger and Dr.McRae had come up with the working manuscript of what was to be "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed". They had worked for months on this. Peter on the astronomy and astronomical events, and Marty on the MSS and texts in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Syriac. John worked on Greek textual criticism, and later, as the pre-emptive wierwille attack began to mount, fanning confronted the entire psychodynamic of the corpse program, and had it nailed, which of course nailed not only dictor, but da forehead, wally cummins, gerald wrenn, John crouch, Gary Curtis and beence finnegan to boot! And he was spot on then.

Then, da forehead and wally took the manuscript from them saying it was "ministry property" and would be copyrighted under Vic's name, since it was dictor who gave them the assignment as well as "all the resources of the research department". And, more importantly, their work "did not line up with the word as Dr. Wierwille knew it and would be published according to his and the research department's final edit. When the three refused to edit out accurate textual and scientific evidence and references to martin's and Bullinger's works on the same subject, which the 3 amigos had thouroughly examined and had airtight evidence of where they were wrong, or right, or not privy to the most recent knowledge and/or research on the subject from various sources. Then, the 3 Amigos demanded the intellectual rights to their manuscript so they could work on it themselves without pressure to prove Vic right, as well as attribute all the research to himself and the faceless research department. Vic refused and the "possession" accusations began to fly along with verbal threats. The three threatened to sue, and then the banishment and disinformation and cover-up were thrown into full steam ahead.

So, the original biblical and scientific research and the manuscript were stolen from them by dictor and wally, and then given to wally and his keedz in the research dept., including von schoenheit and crouch among others, to edit and rewrite according to Vic's specifications. It was published by American Christian Press as "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" by Victor Paul Wierwille. He took full credit for a book he purposely stole and had re-written for himself, and then took the credit for writing the whole thing himself. That's where that oh-so-"great" research wound up TLC!

And, this was absolutely not in any way new. This was how every book dictor "wrote" was written. The techniques of intellectual theft and plagiarism, and taking credit for everything you never did as if it was part of gawd's calling and minus-tray given only to you. Another perfect example.... "Jesus Christ Our Passover", again, by dictor paul wierwille and no one else. The pattern for what was in store for the three amigos had been well-practiced

and well executed many times before the three ever ran into vic's research buzz saw. I'm glad they did not buckle under. They were right back then, and they made their post-TWIt lives meaningful to themselves and helpful to others. All dictor accomplished with his life was wind up drunk, possessed by cancer spirits, an unconfessed and never convicted serial rapist and sexual assaulter, a pathological malignant paranoid narcissist, and sociopathic liar to the second he died. The three amigos are alive and helping people daily. Dictor is dead and rotten in his waterlogged shrine at the farm. Thank god.

Holy Sheet DWBH!!!  I remember 

when JCOPS came out in the early 80's (?).  It was such a well-written, and intelligent book, that somehow I knew that VPW and Company could never have written it.  Now, I know who wrote it, and I thank- you for that DWBH!

i do remember that it was a huge deal for TWI to have such a book.

The love for God, and the amount of work  that obviously went into it, made me realize that VPW could never have done it.  Now I know who wrote it, and I thank-you for that DWBH.  The nerve of VPW claiming to have written such am outstanding book sickens me.  I knew even than, that It had to have been written by someone other VPW.  I did not know that it took three men to write it, but I can well understand now why it did.  DWBH, I think you made an excellent point when you mentioned how VPW ended up; whereas the young men who wrote it  ended up "with meaningful lives."  Thank-you DWBH for posting this!!

On September 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Bolshevik said:

In The Way at times I know I took part in volunteer health screenings, sometimes whole fellowships get together to help some poorer family in the neighborhood.

I don't think the question is, Why does The Way not have financial date "open for viewing".  That's obvious.  It's why do people consent to The Way's practices?  

Plenty of old-timers know, or have heard enough to deny ignorance, Wierwille was a sexual predator.  With nothing to gain, and plenty to lose, they stand with The Way.  Why is an individual with The Way?

 

OMG!!!!!!  Bolshevik,  finally someone has asked the Million Dollar Question!!!!  Given what is known by thousands of people, why would anyone stand with The Way??!!  When I got involved with 

TWI, back in 1978, I did not know about all the evil that existed in it.

I had no idea of how to use a computer to find things on the 'Net to find out about organizations like TWI.  I know for young people that might seem strange, but that is the way it was 

back than.  Many of us Boomers 

got involved in "Christian" organizations not knowing their dark side.  For sure,if I had known

then, what I know today about TWI, I would never have gotten involved.  But 1978, was a long time ago, and I had no idea how godless, and evil the organization was.  Now days, anyone can find 

information about organizations, on the 'Net.  If I was a young person, I would find out about it, before I got involved with it.  I think if information like this had been known then, like it is known today, perhaps many of us would never have gotten involved with The Way.  Bolshevik, I have often asked myself why anyone today 

would stand with them, knowing how evil the organization is.  I am sure that there are many reasons why people stay with TWI,  but I do not know them. 

On July 28, 2016 at 0:53 PM, WordWolf said:

A virus is a lifeform, as is a fungus. Both have "a life of their own."

Cancer's a misfire in the body's immune system. We don't yet know all the possible triggers,

but the answer is VERY complicated because there's lots of risk factors, including some genetic ones

and exposure ones (it can run in families, exposure to a known carcinogen, especially over time, can lead to it).

However, we don't have ALL the answers on it now, we may never have all the answers to it.

I'd buy that devils could inspire unhealthy behaviours, and those unhealthy behaviours would be risk factors

to cause cancer. There's no need to make up an entire system of "and devils can affect biology directly,

but only under certain super-specific instances", which is what would be needed to try to accomodate the

twi doctrine in any consistent fashion.

In short, vpw made lots of stupid claims which were picked up by others. This was one of them. There's no

evidence of any kind to support this one that isn't easy to dismiss.

WW, thank-you!!  I had cancer 12 years ago.  I have no idea how, or why I got it.  I know when I took the AC in 1985, VPW stated that cancer is caused by devil spirits.  I thought he had no idea of what he 

was talking about.  I am a 12 year survivor of cancer, so I know something about cancer.  Back in 2004, I was informed that I had breast cancer.  OMG!!  I still have  no idea how I ended up with it.  But I had three different doctors, check it out for me.  Everyone of them informed me, that my cancer was real.  After I got over the shock that I had it, I followed my doctor's suggestion to the letter.  I had my breast operation, and than chemo.  Whew, for those of you have never had chemo, I can tell you that it is not fun; but I think that God took care of me at every turn of my cancer.  After the chemo, I had six weeks of radiation therapy.  All through out my cancer, I worked.  One thing I did NOT do was whine and complain about why I had cancer, while others had been spared.  I knew that if I did all that I could do, God would do the rest.  And he did!!  To this day, I think all the people in the DC Medical Center who helped me thru my cancer are Angels!!  Well, thank God, 12 years later, I am alive and can write about my bout with Cancer.  It was not a fun time, but I am thankful to live to write about it.  I think VPW knew nothing about what causes Cancer.  I also think that because I kept the focus on God, and did what I needed to, God has blessed me with several years of life. 

and 

On August 21, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Rocky said:

Going back to the notion of academic research related to social and emotional intelligence, I just found this article published yesterday.

 

 

Wow!!!  I never knew that!' Thanks for sharing that!

On October 22, 2016 at 10:21 PM, frank123lol said:

Previous limbo said it.I had an escape plan by writing to the Lc of Mi.He said I could be  Tc if I wanted it

Hello.  I just wanted to ask a question.  I have never met the "Moneyhands."  But as I read the posts here at the GSC, I notice that many people have unkind words for them.  Over, and over the people here at GSC, have made it clear, that this couple is not popular among the people who served with them.  Again, just to be clear, I have never had any dealings with them.  My question is: where are they now?  Does anyone know?  I find it very interesting that one couple attracts so much attention.