17 minutes ago, Twinky said:

No, Waxit, you are not answering.  And you are not accepting either my, or other people's, points of view.

I asked, in my longer post yesterday, a few things that I genuinely did want to know.  But you can't or won't answer that.

Anyway - as I said.  Fine.  End of.

Ok Twinky -you must admit though you have avoided answering the two scriptures that I have requested for you to explain

Your points of view and other people's points of view and my view must conform to the word of God
There are some things that I can see where people are coming from.
For instance how long was the earth in existence before mankind was created - some say millions and some say billions
But when God says, "Tho shalt not steal"  how many different interpretations are there.?
or when God says, :Thou shalt not commit adultery" in relation to another fellow being. How many differen interpretations are there for you
and the others on gsc have. Can you come up with a different view that it is ok to commit adultery like the twits

If you genuinely want to know something - scripture verse that says 7th day sabbath keeping is not necessary
then either copy and paste here - the portion you want answered,
or reply and lay it down here and I will answser them for you directly, you will see that unlike you i will answer them directly
This much I can do as I have also other things to do 

2 minutes ago, Waxit said:

It's not a scripture slug-fest, Waxit.  That's a very TWI-thing ("I know better scriptures than you do")

Come on Twinky, in the beginning you were insistent on chapter and test and now since there is overwhelming 
evidence of the 7th day sabbath, you say it;s not a scripture slug fest
I really dont give two hoots about twi and the sex perverts there. They dont have a copyright/patent on the word of God

I really dont care if you know better scriptures- this isnt about who has superior knowledge
This is about sabbath related scriptures and what God is saying in regards to His important 7th sabbath keeping commandment
Exodus 20:8-11 is a direct sabbth commandment of God and everything works of that.
Jesus Christ spefically said, "He didnt come to abolish the law" and yet you claim "Jesus Christ is the end of law"
to which I explained to you- that the word "telos" used shows that Jesus Christ is the purpose for the law of righteousness
But you never agree that your claim that "Jesus Christ is the end of law" was wrong, because if you do that will be another chink
in your armour falling off 
So what you just divert to something else. Is that what you do when you cannot explain or admit that someone else has a valid point
which you don't like


 

18 hours ago, Twinky said:

It's not a scripture slug-fest, Waxit.  That's a very TWI-thing ("I know better scriptures than you do").  And don't indulge in adding words in your own PI.

I (and many others) have stated a different view, which you cannot accept.  Fine.  End of.

It's not even what scriptures one knows - it's the ones one acts upon, puts into practice, that matter.  And you cannot see the entire outworking of my faith - but the Lord does - and those who have eyes to see, do.

 

As usual you have avoided answering the questions- I have asked and i knew that will happen, simply because you cannot explain
the scriptures - you simply cannot answer directly whereas I can, It's as simple as that
I challenged you and you were not able to meet the challenge and now you run around dancing in circles
 

On 5/22/2020 at 1:29 AM, Twinky said:

The one I have asked you at least four times.  And others have asked you also.

 

You can either: admit you don't bother to read threads in sufficient detail, and therefore request me to post the question again; or

You can read the entire thread, find the question, and answer it.

On 5/22/2020 at 1:29 AM, Twinky said:

The one I have asked you at least four times.  And others have asked you also.

 

You can either: admit you don't bother to read threads in sufficient detail, and therefore request me to post the question again; or

You can read the entire thread, find the question, and answer it.

On 5/22/2020 at 1:29 AM, Twinky said:

The one I have asked you at least four times.  And others have asked you also.

 

You can either: admit you don't bother to read threads in sufficient detail, and therefore request me to post the question again; or

You can read the entire thread, find the question, and answer it.

On 5/22/2020 at 1:29 AM, Twinky said:

The one I have asked you at least four times.  And others have asked you also.

 

You can either: admit you don't bother to read threads in sufficient detail, and therefore request me to post the question again; or

You can read the entire thread, find the question, and answer it.

Hi Twinky
You are not the only person I am answering to - and I dont have the time to find the thread-since there have been a number of posts between us
Look- your posts are not as long and detailed as mine as  mine so i do read it entirely- I think you are very presumptious when you say I dont read it in sufficient detail. And sorry No! I cannot admit to something that I am not guilty of

In fact I think it's the other way around - you are not answering the question / explanation that i am asking you and
the reason I know this, is because you dont bother to ask me questions based on the scripture that I am pointing you 
which means you are ignoring what the word of God is saying or you have not read it in sufficient detail to ask me a question
based on the very same scripture that i have brought to your attention.
Instead what you do is, you simply turn around and point to another scripture

One instance where i remember answering your question is when you said the actual sabbath day has been lost through history because of calendar changes.
I distinctly remember giving you a clear explanation how in spite of calendar changes the 7th day sabbath has always
remained the same i.e saturday

You are welcomed to answer me a question anytime - I will answer it directly without going elsewhere or giving another question 
I get the impression that you avoid answering my question because you are afraid to know that 7th day sabbath commandment is a valid
and binding commandment coming from God and ignoring it is sin just like when you ignore the other 9 commandments

1 John 3:4 King James Version (KJV)

⁴ Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If you think Iit's not true what i am saying in not correct-  go ahead and prove me wrong Twinky, starting from this post

Please answer my question or explain scripture that I am pointing out first- eg explain the scripture as to what it's saying
then you can ask me your question and I will do the same

In answer to your first question- why do i think sabbath is important out of all the other things that is being discussed on gsc

Answer: Because God said it -  Would that be a good enough reason Twinky?
               Exodus 20:8-11
               People agree to all the other 9 commandments in Exodus 20 but they ignore the 4th commandment and willfully sin week in and week out
               i.e 7th day Sabbath Keeping Commandment

Now my turn- since you are so much into the love commandment which i agree is very important 
The 10 commandments are in fact  based on love for God and love for your neighbour ( Matthew 22:40)

The first 4 commandments someone keeps because they love God and the next 6 commandments someone keeps
is because they love their neighbour (people they come across)

So Twinky could you please explain a couple of bible verse below first  (as to what it is saying).
If you could focus on the highlighted words, that would be great  and then you can ask me a question

Please explain
1 John 5:3

³ For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

Secondly You say you Love Jesus 
Sol let's see what God of the bible thinks and the biblical proof that someone loves God from his or her heart
 

Please explain
John 14:

 He that hath my commandments, (includes 7th day sabbath commandment)  and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

I will wait to see if you are courageous enough to explain and answer my questions above directly 

Regards
Waxit




 

1 hour ago, Mark Sanguinetti said:

quoted below and see that this was the Pharisees accusing Jesus Christ of not following the law of the Sabbath day. Waxit, please do not act like a Pharisee here while accusing us of not following the Sabbath day. 

You are getting all twisted Mark because you dont understand that the law of sabbath day that the pharisees
followed was their own strict man made interpretations (judaism not christianity). They have thousands of them and they are laborious and burdensome- 
They even had strict ways of they should wash their hands and how if someone's house caught fire on the sabbath- they are not permitted to 
take all their belongings (they considered that work) but they could take as much clothes as possible by wearing their clothes on them- to them that's not considered work
go figure- so for eg you would have to wear 3 of your suits-3 of your long pants- s shrts- wonder how you will wear 2 shoes? 
So in this case the disciples were going through the fields and they were hungry so they pluck the ears of the corns which they are permitted to do
but the pharisees jump in and say-the  disciples plucking the corn = harversting and threshing (judaism)- what a load of nonsense

So Mark, I am not the pharisee here- I am not saying you cannot pluck corn and eat on the sabbath day
so i think you saying I am a pharisee is not correct. 
Jesus Christ rightly told them another scripture where David and his men were hungry and they the ate the shre bread which was on the altar
Notice the question or the issue brought up by the pharisees is not whether they were observing the sabbath but rather how it was being
observed. The pharisees wanted Jesus and his disciples to observe the sabbath according to their strict man made traditions (Judaism)
wherby the Lord pointed them to what David and his men did when they were hungry Matt 12:3-5
So Mark you can take the law of the sabbath day according to the pharisees (man made traditions of phaisees) have shove it down the toilet
You have gone off topic in branching out to "how the pharisees wanted the sabbath to be observed" .
If you kindly focus on the issue of observing the 7th day sabbath according to God's commandment (Jesus Christ was never accused by the pharisees of not keeping the 7th day sabbath)
Do not focus on what the pharisee idiots wanted -  focus on whether you are keeping the 7th day sabbath commandment of God
                                                                                           Keeping the 7th day sabbath is not about a bunch of legalistic rules to be observed 
                                                                                            If that is all that you can think of after i have given you clear explanation on the strong link
                                                                                            between The love of God and the 7th day sabbath then i feel sorry for you that you are not grasping what sabbah keeping is

In regards to the sabbath being quoted 84 times in the book of acts. Hmmm! I thought that I did see this sometime ago
If I am wrong- I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying that

Here are some interesting reading on the issue of 7th day sabbath keeping 
 for you 
Sabbath in the book of Acts

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-sabbath-in-acts-lukes-record-of-pauls-understanding


The pharisees accusing Jesus of not following the law of the sabbath day does not equal to me saying 7th day sabbath commanded by God (Ex 20:8-11)
                            (Nonsense -I dont agree with this rubbish- Go find a pharisee in your neighbourhood             (God's laws and commandment)
                             and have a chow down with him- I dont give a hoot about what the pharisees did
                             I dont like their legalistic rules and I certainly will not practise them- they are ridiculous-if you ask me
                            and never commanded by God. 
                    

You have gone off topic from love of God and commandment keeping whch we were discussing to the nonsense of the pharisees of man made traditions 
which we are all aware off- I dont know why you tried this cheap shot on me. There are more relevant and significant things to discuss Mark if you
are truly interested in findding about why it's so impoartant to keep the 7th day Sabbath.

If you are not interested in finding about more and want a better understanding of the very concerning scriptures i have highlighted
for people ignoring the sabbath, please let me know- so  I dont have to waste my time with you
 

21 hours ago, Mark Sanguinetti said:

Does John ever mention Sabbath in this letter? Please read the actual text instead of trying to change the actual text with your mindset. 

In addition to the above text, the word Sabbath is listed 0 times in 1st John with five chapters. In contrast, the word love is listed 35 times in 1st John using the NIV version. I hope we can all at least pass one 3rd grade math test. What is a higher number that obviously shows more importance? The number 35 or the number 0? I am confident that T-Bone can pass third grade math and see that 35 is a higher number than 0. I also can see that and hopefully pass third grade math, while at least being able to pass one math test. Hopefully, Waxit can also pass third grade math, while also seeing that 35 is a higher number than 0. I am now cheering for Mark S., T-Bone, Waxit, Twinky and everyone on this forum to pass third grade math. Yea!!!!!

Hi Mark
I am sure you know what the word "commandment" means. Ok! just to make it crystal clear - please refer to the definition of commandment
This definition just popped up when i googled it -you can refer below

You say love has been mentioned 35 times but there has been no mention of the word sabbath in 1 John
Surely you must know that the word commandment which is mentioned 35 times already includes the 7th day sabbath
keeping commandment. So that's why the sabbath becomes significantly important as part of the commandmentsss (plural)
in 1 John 2:3-4

It is not necessarily true to say that you can judge the importance of a particular subject based on the times a related
word is directly quoted- in the case love and sabbath

If you use that kind of a logic then  I can also say, "Adultery" has been mentioned "0" times in 1 John
So does that mean since the word"adultery" has not been mentioned in 1 John, it must not be important and insignificant.  So like
vpw shameless sex in the mire, it shouldn't matter, as long as you love your female neighbour, it's  ok  if you committed adutery with her.
That doesn't make sense Does it?  Exactly that's why love and commandment keeping are strongly inter linked
Put it this way and I hope you cn meditate on this till it is etched in your heart,
Loving God (which most christians) will profess =  Keeping His commandments (Incl 7th day sabbath) 1 John 5:3
John doesnt have to mention every single commandment by word for you to understand that all the components
of God's commandments are included in the word "commandments" and important  (includes 7thday sabbath)

So making something insignificant just because the word is not directly mentioned in a particular section of the bible is not a reliable
way to arrive at a conclusion.
Did you know that the word "God" is not mentioned, not  once-zilch,nada "0" times in the book of Esther? 
Does that make God insignificant????  God forbid

What if i told you that the word "sabbath" is mentioned in the book of Acts about 84 times- surely that should also tell you something, shouldn' t it?

Ok! Let's get on to the definition of commandment
Commandment

/kəˈmɑːndmənt/

Learn to pronounce

16 hours ago, Rocky said:

Thank you for clarifying what you meant.

Thus far, I'm not persuaded regarding God requiring believers to keep a 7th day sabbath.

I also believe that there is immense value in the Bible not limited to those who believe in eternal life through accepting salvation by way of Jesus Christ.

There are many who accept the Bible as an important document of immense significance documenting cultural heritage.

Let me pose this to you also, what do you believe the consequences may be to individuals who do not "keep the sabbath" the way you understand the sabbath to be prescribed in scripture?

No problem Rocky-  we can still be friends no matter what and whatever you decide- if in the very unliklely event you did believe in 7th day sabbath keeping
dont worry, you dont have to join any cult organization or take pflap deceptive  brain washing classes

As I said, I am prepared to accept the fact that you will never accept 7th day sabbath keeping of Exodus 20:8-11
and it looks like it's not hitting home for you,  the gravity of  1 John 1: 1-2
so it's a bit of an indication of what's happening spiritually with you at the moment
the spiritually aha moment hasnt happened yet - as it did for me ( I realised from within I had to repent)

This is they type of spiritual awakening I am talking about in the bible verses below. That's why it needs earnest prayer to God
and God will know if you are serious and also you must repent of all known sins in your life- confess it ot God, repent and dont do it again
If you are not prepared to repent of sins currently in your life then there is no point praying
Granted the biblical examples below was in relation to salvation and mine in this case was the sin of ignoring the 7th day sabbath

Acts 9:6

⁶ And he (paul) trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? 

Acts 2;:7

³⁷ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter
    and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

There can be immense value for non believers as someone like a monk in the dalai lama monastery as in perhaps leading
moral and upright lives definitely but when they die- they are dead ducks for a 1000 yr period  after whicn they get
woken up and God will reveal the truth to them at that time. This will also include professing christians who dont have a relationship
with Jesus Christ and at this time they will have God revealing the truth to them directly

John 14:

⁶ Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth (Lord of the Sabbath) , and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Before i answer the consequence of those who choose to ignore the 7th day sabbath keeping by treating it as insignificant
Can I ask you, do you believe you have a relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?
 

16 hours ago, Twinky said:

By the same token, I ask that you don't avoid or ignore the question I asked YOU four times already - and others have also asked the same.  

You answer first.  Go ahead.  Succinctly.  In your own words.

After all, this is what you also recently said:

 

 

So, answer :)

could you please tell me which question, you want me to answer?

The bible shows where we are spiritually.
From the following verses, it is clear the importance of commandent keeping (includes 7th day Sabbath)

1 John 2:
 

³ And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

⁴ He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

How do you explain the above verses in light of your anti sabbath stance?

1 hour ago, T-Bone said:

Bonus feature: James Bond’s underwater car

Wow! Not a hair out of place for James Bond- that's Amazing!!!!
I wonder what what hair gel he uses

3 hours ago, T-Bone said:

I don’t recall saying that…you might be conflating something you asked with a response I gave.

 

You used the word “insignificant” in your request

 

To which I responded by quoting Romans 14:5

I don't recall any exchange of gunfire with you over this verse - matter of fact I don't recall you ever responding at all to my post of this verse.

It doesn't matter-  I was the one who started the "one man esteemeth one day above another"
Did you answer the question I asked at the end of my previous post?  It's important that you answer the question and then afterwards
you can discuss and throw more bible bible verses that show "sabbath is not important" until i exhaust them for you and everyone else

Ok! 
Please go to this very helpful artice that clearly explains "one man esteemeth one day above another" Rom 15:5 verse 
https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/the-new-covenant-does-it-abolish-gods-law/did-paul-teach-that-all-days-of-worship-are-alike
 

Feel free to look up all the scriptures

Before you go there, I would like to summarise what you will find there.
You will see that:
(1) Romans 14:5 in context is definitely not talking  about sabbath - This alone takes the sting out of the anti sabbath stance
     In those days they had religious activities on certain days of the week and that's what Paul is addressing
     as no hard and fast rule
(2) If you are correct and Paul was in fact  referring to the sabbath days- We have a problem Houston
      Paul if he was referring to sabbath days he would be contradicting himself in  Romans 3:31and other numerous scriptures- the bible will fall apart
     

 i would like to quote just 2 bible verses for now

Romans 3:31

     ³¹ Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (incl 7th day sabbath)
                                                                                                                             (keep the law
    Acts 13:42

⁴² And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
                                                                                                                                                                                 (why wait one one whole week-
                                                                                                                                                                                  these were gentile christians)
                                                                                                                                                                                  if 7th day sabbath was irrelevant)
 

(3) When i refer to laws and commanadments of God- it's always in reference to and includes the 7th day Sabbath keeping Commandment- 4th commandment
 

21 hours ago, Twinky said:

I haven't fallen out with you, Waxit.

But I (and many others here) would prefer that you be brief and to the point, and address questions asked of you in simple manner.  I'm still waiting... well, no, I don't expect you to answer now.  

I will try my best to be brief and to the wpoint
By the same token, i ask that you dont avoid or ignore the questions i ask related to sabbath keeping 4th commandment

On 4/26/2020 at 11:52 PM, Twinky said:

http://jbeard.users.rapidnet.com/bdm/Cults/armstrong.htm

I have had a look at the above link and I can understand why you think it's a cult
Do not assoicate wcg with the other churches of God- if the article is accurate then wcg had some strange doctrines that is not biblical
As i said i dont belong to any one of them

I do look at the sermons preached at cgg (I am not their memberbtw- and they have helped me to come to a deeper understanding
and a greater resolve to focus on Jesus Christ
there was a lot of rubbish with wcg -i was never in their organization- 
and the guy that took over joseph tkach jr according to the article, has made wcg into a spiritual sewer  to draw in more peole- seeker friendly-
i suppose to keep the coffers full
i think they are now called grace community church

The difference between when i was in twi and now is that when i was in twi- i was a passionate idiot- brain washed with the pflap class
not being able to check them out with being trapped in the tw household - I wished i had come across a site like gsc years ago and it would
have saved me years of heartache and slavery. I now know what bible verses vpw to keep people goons like me motivated

I will never promote church of God - if people want to fellowship- they can check the church out for themselves
The focus is on Jesus Christ- knowing Him, obeying the laws and commandments of God as stated win the bib'e
growing in grace and knowledge to be a spiritually mature christian
 

9 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

When is it time to go to the dentist?

Tooth hurty.

Very nice
Someone was rushing to meet his dental appointment 
and the car broke down between a marina and an atm machine

I guess you could say- he was caught between a dock and a card place

On 4/27/2020 at 12:05 AM, Rocky said:

It certainly was apparent even though it took quite a while to figure out which one. 

I will never belong to any church or any cult- I may support a church in witnessing the word of God  after checking them out
but i will never let my life be controlled again by an organization or by any one person.
Only Jesus Christ who i belong to and will hear His voice and follow Him

18 hours ago, Twinky said:

I haven't fallen out with you, Waxit.

But I (and many others here) would prefer that you be brief and to the point, and address questions asked of you in simple manner.  I'm still waiting... well, no, I don't expect you to answer now.  

I dont understand- what are questions are you waiting to be answered

On 4/28/2020 at 12:09 AM, T-Bone said:

    Good one, Waysider 

 

What did the psychologist say to the light bulb in the ceiling fixture?

You’re already screwed up.

What did the sign say on the dentiist front door office?

"I speak the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth"

On 4/28/2020 at 5:05 AM, Rocky said:

Totally tribal, for sure.

I dont belong to CGG or any cult- wcg is long gone and replaced by a weaker church -CGG have some excellent articles which has helped me tremendously 
and challenged me in having a better relationship with God and has given me deep understanding of
the word of God. I can see that a  lot of ex way people lhave gone from one extreme to the opposite extreme
From total bondage and slavery at twi to extreme do as you please, (jus as in the days of Noah (lawlessness) -
you are all accepted in the kingdom of God -dont worry about what the bible says about sin, righteousness, about the love of God
just do what you think is right Proverbs 14:12
Why not join the worldwide ecumenical church which the mainline protestant church is running  headlong to
where all religions even atheists are accepted as part of the "fellowship"?

On 5/4/2020 at 8:50 PM, Stayed Too Long said:

Waxit

Do you have any plans to address:

Romans 14: 5-6; Galatians 4: 9-10, Colossians 2:16?

I didn’t quote the three versus because they have been brought to your attention numerous times by several other posters. 

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

¹⁷ Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.  ( Mark made a comment of this so I will include it in here- no charge

The above verse is actually saying the opposite of what you are thinking. You have got it backwards
You are of the understanding that Paul is saying, Guys! dont let people criticise you for what type of meat or drink you are having
and in regards to whether you are or are not observing holy day, new moon and keeping of sabbath> This is not important
It's actually the other way around i.e it is important that you are not put off in practising the teachings of your christian faith.

Please consider carefully who Paul was talking to and what the colossians were faced with
i.e  pagan culture and false teachers trying to impose the religious traditions of man
If you read it in context and the fact that the churche at colosse came from a pagan background
Paul is telling the gentile christians not to be intimidated for observing the teachings of christianity- clean and unclean meat
sabbath keeping, holy days etc

Colossians was a letter written to the gentile christian converts at the the church in Colosse.
The colossians in general came from a pagan culture which had their own customs and traditions
If you look at Colosse- it was on an international trade route where the colossians were exposed to a putpourri of different cultures 
and with it came more traditions and customs. Syncretism or a mixture of religious beliefs was not uncommon.
The colossian converts were one confused lot and Paul is writing to them to set things straight not to detract from their christian faith
In addition false teachers had infiltrated the church at colosse and were attempting to deceive the believers with their own religious philosphy.
How do i know this?
Look at Col 2 in vs 8

⁸ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy (religious) and vain deceit, after the tradition of men,
  after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.                     (7th day Sabbath keeping is NOT a tradition of Man like Sunday keeping is)                                                                                                                                                             4th Commandment -Exodus 20:8-11)

So put yourself in Paul's shoes, if you were addressing  christian converts from a formerly pagan background
who were being harassed by the local pagan community for observing the teachings of the christian faith and trying to impose their man made traditions
Would you be saying to them, "Guys it's ok- just tolerate and practise all the false religious beliefs and man made traditions-
                                                       it's not important whether you follow the teachings of the christian faith or not
                                                       Would you do this?  Of course not

So now Col 2:16 becomes very clear when we know colossians were heavily bombarded with false religious beliefs and man made traditions
and Paul is encouraging the christian converts at Colosse to stand strong and not be intimidated by the local community and false teachers

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ Let no man therefore judge you (on the importance of your observing and practice of your christian faith ) in meat (clean and unclean) , or in drink (no drunkard shall enter the kingdom of God), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon (sighting only), or of the sabbath days (God's laws and commanemnts)

On 5/18/2020 at 3:28 AM, Stayed Too Long said:

Tic toc, tic toc, tic toc.........

17 hours ago, Waxit said:

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

¹⁷ Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.  ( Mark made a comment of this so I will include it in here- no charge

The above verse is actually saying the opposite of what you are thinking. You have got it backwards
You are of the understanding that Paul is saying, Guys! dont let people criticise you for what type of meat or drink you are having
and in regards to whether you are or are not observing holy day, new moon and keeping of sabbath> This is not important
It's actually the other way around i.e it is important that you are not put off in practising the teachings of your christian faith.

Please consider carefully who Paul was talking to and what the colossians were faced with
i.e  pagan culture and false teachers trying to impose the religious traditions of man
If you read it in context and the fact that the churche at colosse came from a pagan background
Paul is telling the gentile christians not to be intimidated for observing the teachings of christianity- clean and unclean meat
sabbath keeping, holy days etc

Colossians was a letter written to the gentile christian converts at the the church in Colosse.
The colossians in general came from a pagan culture which had their own customs and traditions
If you look at Colosse- it was on an international trade route where the colossians were exposed to a putpourri of different cultures 
and with it came more traditions and customs. Syncretism or a mixture of religious beliefs was not uncommon.
The colossian converts were one confused lot and Paul is writing to them to set things straight not to detract from their christian faith
In addition false teachers had infiltrated the church at colosse and were attempting to deceive the believers with their own religious philosphy.
How do i know this?
Look at Col 2 in vs 8

⁸ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy (religious) and vain deceit, after the tradition of men,
  after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.                     (7th day Sabbath keeping is NOT a tradition of Man like Sunday keeping is)                                                                                                                                                             4th Commandment -Exodus 20:8-11)

So put yourself in Paul's shoes, if you were addressing  christian converts from a formerly pagan background
who were being harassed by the local pagan community for observing the teachings of the christian faith and trying to impose their man made traditions
Would you be saying to them, "Guys it's ok- just tolerate and practise all the false religious beliefs and man made traditions-
                                                       it's not important whether you follow the teachings of the christian faith or not
                                                       Would you do this?  Of course not

So now Col 2:16 becomes very clear when we know colossians were heavily bombarded with false religious beliefs and man made traditions
and Paul is encouraging the christian converts at Colosse to stand strong and not be intimidated by the local community and false teachers

Colossians 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ Let no man therefore judge you (on the importance of your observing and practice ) in meat (clean and unclean) , or in drink (no drunkard shall enter the kingdom of God), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon (sighting only), or of the sabbath days (God's laws and commanemnts)

12 hours ago, T-Bone said:

And now to answer your question…I’ve never said that the “7th day sabbath keeping commandment” is unimportant or unnecessary per se.

Didnt you say sometime ago in your conversation with me that Sabbath has become unnecessary- I do recall you said this and we exchanged
gunfire (lol)?  Maybe you have thought seriously about the scriptures I have highlighted

12 hours ago, T-Bone said:

For something to be necessary means it’s a required or mandatory component of something bigger. The context determines what components are necessary. For example, what is necessary or required for our bodies to survive? Our bodies have just five basic needs: air, water, food, shelter and sleep.

That's great T-Bone for keeping it brief - let's keep it that way 
Also let's go one important question at a time- I have noticed that you tend to fire off several different questions- we dont want to go off topic
and distracted

I understand where you are coming from in terms of something bigger in Jesus Christ and what God has accomplished through Jesus Christ
Hebrews 8:6 - might be something along the lines of what you have in mind ( am i correct?)
and I hope I can get some traction from you as you consider the bible verses below

Thats' great about the body but what's more basic and mandatory than the 10 commandments from God Himself  
Luke 4:3-4
 

³ And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.

⁴ And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

It's interesting that you gave the example of the survival of the body and it's five components.
In Luke 4:4 The devil starts out by tempting Jesus Christ after the Lord had fasted for 40 days and 40 night
Wow- Can you imagine the hunger for food?  It was immense, huge and food would have been the most necessary
component for Jesus to survive and He could have easily turned the stones into bread (He fed the hungry multitude
by listening to the temptation by the devil.  But he shrugged the devil off by saying:
⁴ And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
                                                                                                      (physical need)                               (spiritual need)
Notice the difference in level of intensity between the physical and the spiritual needs of man according to Jesus Christ
(The Lawgiver and the Lord of the Sabbath)

Jesus said, "man shall not live by bread alone' (physical need)  and there is something more that's required in order to live
(eternal life- will never die) and that is "by living (practising) every word of God" 
This means that all the words of God (God's laws and commandments)  including the 7th day Sabbath is important

Also you are contradicting yourself and different from what Jesus Christ is saying
because on one hand you are saying that you did not say : 7th day sabbath keeping commandment” is unimportant or unnecessary
but when you look at Luke 4:5
The Lord is saying "man shall live (practise" every word of God) (Laws and Commandmens of God- including the 7th day Sabbath
Should i believe you or the Lord Jesus Christ?

T-Bone there is nothing wrong with you in focussing on the love of God and I always said that
and you will agree with me the 2 greatest commandments- "Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbour as yourself"
So if you love God with all your heart- Ths is the acid test according to the bible

Let's look at what does validate our love relationship with God 

John 14:21-24

21 He that hath my commandments (includes 7th day Sabbath) , and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.                                                                                                             (wouldnt you want this  father /son                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    relationship and yes it's conditional on keeping
                                                                                                                                                                                                     the commandmentss (plural-all of God's laws and
                                                                                                                                                                                                     commandments- including 7th day Sabbath)S

So i hope you can see from the above verse that love for God and commandment keeping are inseperable
No matter where you run in the bible with your love commandment-  the love for God is not based on what you and i
think but what the bible states. We must trust God and His word only (He is all knowing, all wise and all powerful and He loves us more than we Him)|

Also to love God is to know Him. So again what's the proof according to the word of God
1 John 2:
⁴ He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments,(includes 7th day Sabbath)  is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you believe that what the word of God says is more important than what we think?
Proverbs 14:12

¹² There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
 

11 hours ago, Twinky said:

I say: we are TO GET TO KNOW JESUS, THE CHRIST.  Waxit, do you consider you know Jesus, the Christ?  Or do you just know a book about him?  And if you consider that you know Jesus, why are you dissing those who also say they know Jesus - but think differently?  You're the only one who has real knowledge?  Everyone else knows a false Jesus, maybe? 

Do give that some serious thought.  Be not quick to judge others... (now where have I read that? (rhetorical question)).

Hi Twinky
You will recall I asked if we could be friends despite our difference.
You didnt respond to that and instead you go on a rampage about how i behave ( Sorry if i gave you a bad impression but you are wrong so hopefully you will
change your very negative attiude about me

I never said I am the only one who has real knowledge, everyone else is false (where did you get that from?????)  (Sounds like hot chili to me)

I dont know why you bite each time you converse with me.  It's like you hate me and that's not good
Please consider the verses below and see where your heart is. Even if you dont like me, at least take heed to the word of God
God is loving and kind and honours repentance

1 John 4:20
 

²⁰ If a man (or woman) say, I love God, and hateth his (her)brother, he (she) is a liar: for he (she) that loveth not his(her) brother
    whom he(she) hath seen, how can he(she) love God whom he(she) hath not seen?

²¹ And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

We are to love as brother and sister- not devour each other
Please do not speak for others in regards to your comments about me "knowing the true Jesus"- let them form their own opinions without you encouraging them to hate me
I am beginning to form good relationships with others and I hope you will give me a chance like Rocky and TBone
I agree in the beginning i was very passionate and ran in like a bull in the china shop with unbridled excitement but now i know better

I am prepared to accept the fact that at the end of the day, people can and will believe what they want to believe- that's a fact of life
and I have told this to Rocky and T-Bone.

I will give serious thought about not being too quick to judge others and do my best to bei patient and kind .
Please pray for me
I believe that once you change your attitude about me, we can have a productive conversation and be able to 
serious consideration for each other and check the bible out without having a biased opnion

Love in Christ
Waxit

 

On 5/15/2020 at 12:37 AM, Rocky said:

1) That sounds like "beating around the bush." and 2) The best way for you to ensure it will be a productive discussion is for you to contribute productively -- cogently explain YOUR position. 3) We can't control what other people do (i.e. you either controlling me or deciding that you time isn't worth engaging with me because of _______ (you name it) 4) Now that would equate to you dismissing me, wouldn't it?

 

Actually, if you want to help people clarify their understanding, the only thing YOU can do is make your argument as clear and simple as possible and then ask questions to figure out if what you tried to explain is clear to your readers.

I tried to do the above to the best of my ability and some people get the wrong idea "I am show offish" 
They never take the time to read carefully to see what it is I am saying. I know this because they never ask engaging or clarifying questions-
just baseless allegations

8 hours ago, Rocky said:

I guess, one of the things I need to understand is, did you really mean to say "who do want" when you first posted this phrase.

And it would be very helpful if you would use punctuation in your own writing, not just when you copy/paste. 

Sorry that was an obvious error- thanks for clarifying Rocky -  it should be "those who do not  believe in eternal life" 
What i meant is someone who does not believe that the bible is the word of God and having the faith in Jesus Christ
and that it is through Jesus Christ (The Lamb of God) that we have salvation and eternal life

1 John 1: 1-2

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes,
      which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (John and the Apostles were eye witnesses)

² (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life,
    which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)