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4 hours ago, waysider said:

There's another version of this, as well. We listened to music and watched movies to try to spot where they were on or off. I remember, when Rocky hit the theaters, FellowLaborers  had a special Saturday night outing where we went as a group to watch the movie, see if we could spot all the great spiritual truths it held. 

Yo, Adian!

 

 

 

 

 

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I should know the answer to my own question by now, but… 

Really? Or are you joking?

6 hours ago, waysider said:

I've never in my life experienced a more intense feeling of depression and hopelessness than I did those 2 weeks at the AC. Hearing about suicide supposedly being caused by a devil spirit certainly didn't help the situation. I had one of those confrontations with death, also, though it happened before I took the AC. My roommate had talked of committing suicide.  When I found him he was already dead. I felt guilt and shame for years for not trying to muster the believing to raise him from the dead.  I can't erase the pain it caused me then, but I can live my life now without feeling guilt about it.

Damn, this rocks me every time. I know you've mentioned this before, but I can't remember if your roommate was in FL with you.

Mmmph

Yes. Let it be split. Keep it in About the Way and title new thread "LCDIAZ WC 17."

8 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Who is Brandon? Is this a political reference? If it is, I certainly don't have a problem with your curiosity. But I would have a problem with you alluding to judgment of a political figure (elected official) in writing on this forum.

 

Brandon is the Mind Shift pod host. Oldies was replying to Charity’s post referencing Brandon. 

5 minutes ago, oldiesman said:

All spirit beings believed to exist by man.   God, Jesus, Holy, Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, Watchers, Angels, Demons etc. etc.

Probably not, but I could pretend for sake of discussion.

You might need to define what you mean by God. 

2 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Oh? 

It’s sarcasm. Perhaps I misquoted victor. 

5 minutes ago, oldiesman said:

Yes.   "God" isn't the only spiritual being that has been purported to exist and spoken about by man so I was thinking it might be good to know (for purposes of this thread only) we agree that no spirits exist?

Trying to understand. Spirits? Spirit beings? Like ghosts? Or devil spirits?

1 hour ago, chockfull said:

I am getting to the point of saying screw the labels as they are not particularly helpful in identifying philosophy or belief.

And this is the implication of Oldies’ question. 

Seems like Diaz didn’t wait for the green light, which explains the wreck. Also, common sense, the least God expects. Additionally, he may not be as fluent in glossolalia as he thinks, further accounting for the derailment and crash.

5 hours ago, oldiesman said:

Does not believing in God also necessarily mean not believing in ANY and ALL spiritual beings? 

Good question. Short answer, not necessarily. I don't think being atheist precludes one from accessing or perceiving the spiritual (best word available at the moment) or mystical.

I've been thinking about this lately. How could I describe my position for the sake of dialogue and understanding? The labels are poorly tailored gloves. Technically, I'm atheist. I don't believe in Quetzalcoatl, Vishnu, Isis, Baal, Yahweh, Zeus, or any of the other thousands of gods that man has believed in as fervently as you do your god. And, as I may or may not have made clear, I don't believe in belief.

All nontheists are atheists, but not all atheists are nontheists. (I think that's right.) For my position, nontheist is also technically correct and may be more accurate. There's probably a spectrum with this one. One might argue Christians can be nontheistic - Meister Eckhart and Thomas Merton, both Catholic monks, come to mind.  Then there's pantheism and panentheism. Those may also fit in the spectrum.

I would consider Taoism and Buddhism to be atheistic/nontheistic.

3 hours ago, waysider said:

The gypsy woman told my mother, right before I was born, " You got a boy child comin', gonna be a son of a gun."

Or, so I've been told.

I knew it all along. I knew that I knew that I knew you were the hoochie coochie man. 

Do you remember what it was like before you were born?

How then do you know what it’s like after you die?

What’s wrong with the answers “nothing” or “I don’t know”?

21 minutes ago, waysider said:

 

Where do I start?

It's halting, isn't it?

Since I'm trilingual in glossolalia, yet only bilingual in interpretation... oh, well... right... where to start?

16 minutes ago, waysider said:

I prefer the Chow maka seetay. It's all a matter of taste. 

Chow maka seetay?

Hmmm... An aristocratic taste, I see.

Just one question: Lo maka seetay?
 

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Victor taught beleeeving so the believer could be blamed. The con, the fraud, the charlatan requires beleeef. Truth does not. Belief has no place where truth is concerned.

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My fellowship commander would misapply this concept, as well. He said victor coined the term, but, of course, victor did no such thing.

If the word of god is an eternal now, then it's not the Bible or any version of the Bible, nor interpretation nor class nor Paul.

Hello, Irony. I've missed you!

Wow. Just… wow…

…The unflinching regurgitation, the reflexive parroting. The utmost manifestation of indoctrination. Evidence of a very soft, conditioned mind.

This is just creepy AF. I need a bath. 

You know he wasn't a real doctor, don't you?

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

NO ONE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD HAS COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN:

Moot point. Wrong administration. Unforgivable sin was TO and FOR the Judean's, remember? What would it matter anyway? Paul said all (without exception or distinction) sin is forgiven. He said God wasn't imputing sin anymore.

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

NOR CAN ANYONE ONE BE KICKED OUT OF THE HOUSHOLD SPIRITUALLY

Ask Victor or Loy. Would they agree? Besides, is the Household of God anything other than spiritual? 

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

John 8:7 says...he that is without sin among you cast a stone at her.

One of the most beautiful stories in all (without exception or distinction) scripture. HOWEVER, it is in the Old Testament. It was instruction TO the Judeans. Got get your TO's and FOR's rightly divided.

2 hours ago, dkarateka7 said:

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 

 

Again, Old Testament. Wrong administration. To/For. No one here is a Judean.

RAF is more succinct than I.

41 minutes ago, Charity said:

Yes, but I heard it taught in twi without, I think, any mention of Oral Robert.  The thought just came to me that this topic was discussed on GSC and with a search, it shows 160 places where it has. 

So, my question was how did the continuity of this idea make its way all through the OT.  This is one of the points that was used to show God had to have been its author.

The original was from Oral Roberts, I think. This idea may go back to the early church fathers - Augustine, maybe? Maybe not. I don't know. Someone does.

The gospels deliberately linked their narratives and theologies to the OT (and to Virgil and Homer, according to D.R. MacDonald, et.al.) The writers of the epistles did the same. This is obvious, right? Connect it backwards so you can now connect it forward.

It's an interpretive framework. It's reading into the text something not conceived by the OT authors and editors. It's a theological perspective. It's academic. Pretty neat way of looking at it.

But it doesn't mean God wrote anything. It just means the writers were clever, as was Oral Robert's. I'm not knocking this interpretive perspective. That's just what it looks like to me. Again, it's academic. It's a glove. If it fits, wear it.

54 minutes ago, Charity said:

 

Yes, I also see that Genesis 3 is a story and a lot more than just that one chapter as well.  What I still wonder about is how the man-made story called the "red thread" of the messiah was kept going through all the years of the OT writings.  Any comments or suggestions?

Like the Oral Robert's sermon?