Nathan_Jr

4 hours ago, chockfull said:

Paul Allen was ....ED OFF.  He got in LCM face and told him off and did not give two hoots about his goon Linder displaying his firearm in a holster.

If you are having affairs with peoples wives his own fear and conscience kept him with a personal goon whenever he traveled in public.  I mean how many husbands would justifiably want to beat his @$$?  Or more?

Right, I get it. I've read the accounts. I was pointing to the hypocrisy, the doctrinal and spiritual dishonesty, the bullshonta.

I know. The hypocrisy wasn't the worst part. It was the raping. 

27 minutes ago, waysider said:

Oh, boy. You went and opened a can of worms now. Do you really want to hear about the loaded gun under the podium or the armed bodyguards that accompanied him around the grounds?

Ha! Not necessarily. I've read those stories right here in this café. My questions were rhetorical.

Why would a THE man of god need a security detail? Why couldn’t he just beleeeve big enough for his own security? After all, he beleeeved big enough to provide for national security - if it weren’t for his beleeeviing, the Soviets would have attacked the U.S.

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

TWI

This must have been pre-LCM. Didn’t he hate gays with the same passion as Westboro?

1 hour ago, Stayed Too Long said:

I got to walk with him, holding an umbrella over him, to shield the sun light from the man of god. 

Why would such a charlatan need shielding from sunlight?

5 minutes ago, Rocky said:

I clearly remember one ROA night time bless patrol shift keeping an eye on the protesters from Westboro Baptist Church.

What was Westboro protesting?

4 minutes ago, chockfull said:

Well I’m God.  It’s been twice established on this thread.

And I approve.

Have some self respect. You are Mr. God.

That’s accuracy and precision as it hasn’t been known since…

Did I mention I’m trilingual in speaking in tongues? Both hypothetically AND actually.

I’ve spoken in three different tongues at least twice. So, it’s established. 

Mmmph

Mmmph

If one has the impression that the data is not 100% correct, the website offers a way to submit corrections.

https://www.cultfacts.com/contact-us

37 minutes ago, Rocky said:

The journalistic style issues have to do, as I understand it, with news gathering/writing enterprises choosing purposely vague wording, perhaps to sound euphemistic, so they can continue to sell newspapers without offending tender sensibilities. 

We have the right to choose to pay attention to this. Just look at it. See it for all that it explicitly and implicitly means.

Whose brittle ears are we choosing to protect from offense by reporting "sexual assault" instead of rape for the glory of Allah?

Everyone, including myself.

It’s a peculiar stylistic choice. I can appreciate the spectrum of crimes captured by “sexual assault.” I can see a potential utility there, but often the stylistic choice misleads and minimizes.

In Israel on October 7, many (dozens? hundreds?) of girls and women were raped by Islamic jihadists. Some were raped to death. Read that again. Raped. To. Death!

But many journalists reported "sexual assault" on Israeli girls and women.

There are contexts where this stylistic choice moves beyond frustratingly ambiguous to dishonest vulgarity. We need to make better choices. 

5 hours ago, Charity said:

'inappropriate behavior.'”

I really despise these euphemisms, but charlatans and criminals wouldn’t leave the house without them.

The media seems to have normalized this linguistic apologetic by referring to rape as sexual assault, which is easier on the conscience, I guess. Hearing or reading about rape is supposed to make people uncomfortable. Euphemisms are anesthetic.  

On 12/22/2023 at 6:16 PM, oldiesman said:

Competent to Counsel (Jay Adams)

On 12/22/2023 at 8:20 PM, Rocky said:

First published 53 years ago.

Nouthetic counseling has been criticized as narrowly conceived, with a confrontational focus upon sin and behavior, which fails to deal adequately with emotion, grief, and suffering, and which lacks understanding of complex human motivations.

Yeah, this definitely qualifies under a rubric of not necessarily biblical.

Expanding on the notion of being narrowly conceived, with a confrontational focus on sin... it also fits in the framework of Christianity and other religions setting people against one another.

Wow. This explains so much.

Thanks. 

Though it has yet to be written, except in the stars, the revelation has been established (2nd time did it): If victor paul wierwille had only learned how (H-O-W) to believe big enough to live long enough, he would have fellated that TRUMPet while squatting over and defecating into the mouth of God.

Enjoy it while you can. 

Thanks.

I had to look up the “Marxist Minstrels” by David A. Noebel. Wow. It is fitting that the paranoid little charlatan would promote this book.

A review found on Amazon…

“So bad that it's good

2 hours ago, chockfull said:

As far as burn basically “Uncle Harry Day” was celebrated as an annual burn chaff day consisting of theological material, old vinyl which everyone regrets now and other artifacts of various things.  So an annual purge culture with the different programs “what to bring” lists comprising other forced purges.

Tell me you’re in a cult without telling me you’re in a cult.

Why the vinyl?

IHOPKC

Statement From Victim Representatives, BozLaw PA

https://bozlawpa.com/news/statement-from-victim-representatives/

Along with local counsel, Caleb J. Aponte, I have had the privilege to work with several individuals who have reported being abused and traumatized while being a  part of the IHOPKC community. I can assure you that this group wants the full truth to surface with the hope that those who have perpetrated abuse will be exposed and held accountable and that the system which fostered such a harmful environment will be genuinely transformed. Tragically, the actions of IHOPKC and its current leadership seemingly demonstrate a very different agenda.  

As many may know, IHOPKC initially engaged a law firm to conduct what it touted as an “independent investigation” in relation to sexual misconduct allegations against  Mike Bickle. At no time were any of the reported victims, or those who have publicly  advocated on their behalf, ever been consulted by IHOPKC regarding the identity  and/or qualifications of the “third-party” investigator nor provided any information  regarding the process, protocol, and scope of such an “investigation.” All of it was simply dictated by IHOPKC with the expectation reported victims and witnesses would participate. When it was discovered that the unilaterally selected “third party  investigator” was a law firm who has a fiduciary duty to its client (IHOPKC, not the  reported victims), it became clear that this was an internal investigation being  publicly labeled as “independent.” Shortly thereafter, we learned that IHOPKC  reportedly dismissed that law firm and subsequently retained an attorney who is also  a congregant of the church to conduct the “independent investigation.” This attorney also has a fiduciary duty to her client (IHOPKC, not the reported victims). I informed  this attorney/congregant of IHOPKC that though she seemed like a very pleasant  person and capable attorney, she was anything but “independent.” At that point in  time, I suggested to her that IHOPKC move forward with a legitimate, qualified, and experienced third-party investigator who is not an attorney. I even offered to provide  IHOPKC with some suggestions since I've been working in this field for almost thirty years. I also communicated to this attorney/congregant that it was imperative that  IHOPKC expand the scope of any investigation beyond Mike Bickle to include allegations of sexual abuse perpetrated by anyone in leadership and/or on staff at  IHOPKC as others have recently reported such allegations. I even suggested a two tier investigative approach where the allegations related to Mr. Bickle would first be investigated followed by investigating allegations related to others in leadership and/or staff. At the time, the attorney/congregant told me that she would pass along that suggestion up the chain. I never heard back from her about it.  

In context of the above, I was quite surprised to receive an email on Friday, December  8th from yet another attorney from yet another law firm requesting to interview my client. At no time did they ever reach out to seek input from my client or any other reported victim regarding this process. Once again, they assumed that reported victims would participate in a supposed "independent" process that they had unilaterally determined. It was disheartening to many that we were right back at square one with IHOPKC engaging another law firm to conduct what it defined as an  “independent investigation.” Only this time, the law firm is one that proudly touts its representation of defendant organizations (including but not limited to the  Catholic Church) in sexual abuse related litigation. The law firm website proudly  mentions such work, including but not limited to, the following statements: 

• Obtained a complete dismissal of a private high school and an affiliated diocese in an action involving a volunteer coach who sexually assaulted a member of the girls’ softball team. A prompt and thorough investigation by our team allowed the client to assess its liability risks and whether its policies had been followed. The trial court granted motions arguing there was no duty to protect the plaintiff from sexual assaults that were unrelated to any school activity and occurred on private property. 

• Represented a Roman Catholic diocese in a group settlement of 52 claims and a subsequent group settlement of 32 claims, resulting in per-claimant awards of less than one-third the national average. 

• Obtained a complete dismissal of all claims against a religious organization in a case involving claims of sexual abuse. 

Why would reported victims of sexual abuse and misconduct sit down with an attorney from a firm that represents churches in sexual abuse matters and then boasts about its successes? I have no doubt that this law firm well-represents organizational defendants in sexual abuse litigation. However, it cannot be all things to all people. It cannot represent and defend institutional clients in such cases and then turn around and invite reported sexual abuse victims to meet with its attorneys and to trust them. It simply doesn’t work that way. In an attempt to help the new attorney understand our position, I provided a copy of an article I wrote a few years ago about the difference between internal and independent investigations. 

Despite the profound concerns raised above regarding the law firm's representation of churches in sexual abuse cases, in a good faith effort to evaluate the attorney's claims that she is "functioning as an independent investigator and nothing more" and is "perfectly capable of reaching unbiased and independent conclusions" I requested a copy of her engagement agreement with IHOP. She responded by writing "As a  matter of practice we do not release entire engagement letters to non-parties". Wouldn't the attorneys who represent a Jane Doe be a party? If not, who are the parties? Also, since she is functioning as only an "independent investigator and nothing more", will they agree to waive all attorney-client communications? She  then offered to send us a portion of the agreement that she unilaterally has determined demonstrates the independence of the investigation. This response simply confirmed my concerns that IHOPKC is in the driver's seat in a process that they alone have dictated. 

The approach IHOPKC is taking is clearly focused on maintaining control and protecting the institution. As one who has been on the front lines of addressing abuse within faith communities for almost 25 years, I can assure you that such an approach is not consistent with best practice standards...nor the standards of Jesus. It is not too late for IHOPKC to change course and begin working with representatives of the reported victims to come up with a process that is genuinely independent and one that ensures that those stepping forward to share their trauma are made to feel comfortable and safe. Until then, it is highly unlikely that reported victims and witnesses will participate in such a fundamentally flawed process.  

December 16, 2023 

Boz Tchividjian, Esq. 

Caleb J. Aponte, Esq. 

Good. F this guy and all charlatans like him.

Allegations of abuse spanning DECADES from several credible women. Wow.

So much sorrow for merely “inappropriate” behavior. Really, his “sin” did it. It’s the sin’s fault.

BULLSHONTA!!

Mmmph

Yep.

It requires a real in depth spiritual awareness and perception to betray someone’s privacy and trust in this way - a real spiritual maturity.

mmmph

Mmmph

9 minutes ago, waysider said:

Yes. In FellowLaborers, we were subjected to room checks, which included clandestinely going through your personal belongings, even your underwear drawer. (While you were away on some other assignment.) Well, it was long before the internet and what we now think of when thinking about invasion of privacy, but that's what it was, plain and simple.

God must have told them to do this.

What were they looking for? Did they ever find it?

Thanks. I agree with everything you just said.