excathedra

steve have you elaborated anywhere (and can direct me) to "spiritual realm" and "common sense"

love,e

thank you great post t

not that amazing.... mentally f'd up people

i think very much along those same lines

however, i found craig to have changed and he became very mean

don't know if it was a result of fear or just being groomed properly

ohmygosh i'm not kidding

when wierwille was at the college girl way home standing NAKED when i went by, my "leader" KL said he was so spiritual (like above the senses) that the flesh didn't matter -- he wasn't a pervert

and THEN when limb leader came to visit and she told me to lie down with him (in a bed at night time) -- not sure if i lived there by then or was visiting -- just to "comfort" him -- spiritually -- nothing to do with the flesh or senses -- yes he was married -- i was not. i laid there for a few minutes and then he was feeling me up and i got the "f" out of there

but there's so much more

and i did finally buy into some of it i guess even though i became a sick nervous wreck -- like i wasn't already -- hearing the same thing from people before i got in the way -- p eople who were totally "senses realm" lol

oh man

ps. MOST people in the way corps program got their money from sponsors

Voodoo

love that yana

and love you steve

very enlightening and refreshing after all these yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssss

WHO paid good money for this training?

Doop said they buried Gary in the woods at Headquarters. "Probably the most devilish thing that came out of it was that John Nave was completely ostracized by Wierwille, treated very, very poorly," said Doop. "He never got off his back. John did everything he possibly could to redeem himself."

Del Duncan was in Wierwille's office when John Nave came to talk to him, seeking forgiveness more than a year after Gary's death. "And as he walked in the door, these are the exact words that Wierwille used: 'Well, how's the murderer of Gary Dunhoff doing today?' And John never got over that. It's been a scar in his life ever since. He's still a very damaged man from that."

I showed Duncan the "Death List," asking if he knew anyone on it besides Gary, and he said yes when he came to the following:

1974 - Dead - Sandra Ann Sullivan - committed suicide one month after becoming a secretary at Way Hdq. in New Knoxville, Ohio.

Del said she had been sexually involved with Wierwille. "She had already been involved before she became a secretary, with Wierwille and Howard Allen, and the impact on her was so great that she took her life," he said. "I talked to her and counseled with her a little bit, and also went before the Board of Trustees on it to try to get some reckoning about what this girl was going through, and others, but it was to no avail."

there you have it the love of christ

dearest watered garden

i could throw up

i am so very sorry for what you endured -- your illness oh my god -- and THEN to be blamed for it in the name of god

it's too overwhelmingly horrendous to address properly

reaching out to you with love and prayers and sorrow,

ex

i can't remember or don't know broken arrow but it is probably on here somewhere ?

i believe it is documented on here somewhere when there was a time when vpig said craig had to loosen up sexually

and we've discussed donna having disclosed having feelings for women as well as men

as far as that son of a .... vpmog creeping through the night -- that's for sure

when i first took pfal i was invited to go into the night where the coach was parked to be with vpig and driver howard but i declined

two or three years later i took that dark ride - driver was then psycho geer

vpig drank too much at night owls especially the ones where he sat with all the women

that's when he disclosed he had taught his youngest daughter some sexual helpful hints

i was there dot was there many others were

dopp confirmed much of what i told him

i felt so lucky to meet wonderful people in and out of the way corps program

but so many of them didn't fit the bill whatever

it saddens me and i'll bet it saddens god / christ

a person's gift should make room for them but not for the most part in the frikkin way

god knows, you know?

--

there was a time i had to be off campus longer than was approved

i went to donna for permission and she gave it to me

she asked me who would be going with me to help me through my ordeal

i told her a "regular believer" would be flying in to help me

she was quite amazed

why though? because this "regular believer" loved me unconditionally and would help, never leave me, never backbite or do ANYTHING to hurt me

they didn't notice any "individuals" unless somehow they got something out of it

don't know if that makes sense

they crushed individuality

some of you are really sarcastic and almost mean about your beliefs

i know i am a complete biatch at times myself

i see this as evidence of who gives a pppphhhhrrrruuuccckkkk

we don't need to overanalyze it do we?

dear raf, is there a specific reason you feel you have to explain yourself - your beliefs?

love,ex

newlife

i don't know am i insane

this song helps me see there is a god

dear rottie, i left the catholic church due to no answers and i got in the way hoping to get those answers -- not happening

i guess what i'm saying is a lot of biblical accounts like the guy who was supposed to kill his son, etc., etc., never ever made sense to me

i never believed in a god who could or hurt anyone

i'm still a "believer" in our lord and savior jesus christ and god and i believe in a better day coming

but this day i'm living in, i don't get so much of it -- in the bible -- and out of the bible

love,

e

i just can't denounce my own beliefs in jesus christ and god because of the bible - that's just me - i don't care if the stupid book writers got it wrong - somewhere there was enough (maybe not even in the book) to get me born again (as a youngster) i don't know what to say

if faith comes by hearing, i heard a little bit of enough

the oddest thing is all the research in the world would not and does not sway me

that's what i meant by blind faith

i believe it was cancer, outie, and he tried a lot of holistic stuff toward the end

i miss him very much

same here outie -- almost -- but when someone in that damn meeting looked at me and said "you did nothing wrong" it did change my life

love,ex

doop dopp told me how vp trained his children

stopover in a (something i forget town)

maybe no dome but concept same

now to me king's "under the dome" is not an original thought

did anyone ever see the twilight zone episode when those kids from another planet had little humans on their play train track and city. i'll have to look it up

Twi is a shell of its former self

i'm sorry - to me it was a shell in its former self

love,ex