excathedra

The Song Remains The Same

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I had a dream. Crazy dream.

Anything I wanted to know, any place I needed to go

Hear my song. People won't you listen now? Sing along.

You don't know what you're missing now.

Any little song that you know

Everything that's small has to grow.

And it has to grow!

California sunlight, sweet Calcutta rain

Honolulu starbright - the song remains the same.

Sing out Hare Hare, dance the Hoochie Koo.

City lights are oh so bright, as we go sliding... sliding... sliding through.

thank you for your sweet wild soul Steven

wishing you many peaceful beautiful sunrises and for all your dreams to come true

love, exc

[This message was edited by excathedra on August 14, 2002 at 5:49.]

dear seth, oh good, i didn't want you to hurt yourself

i know how you must be so tired of being sick all these years. you deserve to feel better.

i'm praying for you and your whole wellbeing and your sweet heart and everything else ahead of you.

xoxoxoxoxox

dear seth, i just read your profile and see that you are only 33.5 years old, you young sweet thing you! i was older than you when things started to get better in my life.

also i love your purpose: to spread love and peace

i'm just writing this post to say i care and to tell you that i still laugh and laugh about when you said you were forced to like people in the way who scared the crap out of you, too funny

hugs

hey you can't be that messed up, you're from new jersey for godsake

i hope you weren't referring to kay's "chin up" i certainly don't think that was worthless nor her post nor her "love kay"

dear seth, what do you mean you may sign off indefinitely? you don't mean you want to kill yourself do you? oh god i hope not.

i have suffered from deep dark depression, severe anxiety and agoraphobia. and i'm doing okay. i just want you to know firsthand that there is hope. i swear.

i don't know what you mean about pints of blood and agencies.

do you have any family members or friends who can help you after the 23rd?

listen your life is not over. it's just the pits right now. stay here and talk. and maybe we can figure out ways to help. you can email me if you want. don't give up.

i am praying for you. i'm sad this is happening to you but i'm so glad you are finally getting help. i think (could be wrong) you have mentioned dealing with alcohol abuse. often that is used to self medicate in trying to deal with the underlying depression. it's so good that you are dealing with it now.

i remember thinking geez, why didn't i get help sooner? ya know once i started to be better.

love and hugs and prayers for you

ps you have never offended me, i love your sense of humor, your honesty, your straight talk and so much about you. and i was so happy when you started posting again

You've Got a Friend

James Taylor

- words and music by Carole King

When you're down and troubled

and you need a helping hand

and nothing, whoa nothing is going right.

Close your eyes and think of me

and soon I will be there

to brighten up even your darkest nights.

You just call out my name,

and you know whereever I am

I'll come running, oh yeah baby

to see you again.

Winter, spring, summer, or fall,

all you have to do is call

and I'll be there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You've got a friend.

If the sky above you

should turn dark and full of clouds

and that old north wind should begin to blow

Keep your head together and call my name out loud

and soon I will be knocking upon your door.

You just call out my name and you know where ever I am

I'll come running to see you again.

Winter, spring, summer or fall

all you got to do is call

and I'll be there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, ain't it good to know that you've got a friend?

People can be so cold.

They'll hurt you and desert you.

Well they'll take your soul if you let them.

Oh yeah, but don't you let them.

You just call out my name and you know wherever I am

I'll come running to see you again.

Oh babe, don't you know that,

Winter spring summer or fall,

Hey now, all you've got to do is call.

Lord, I'll be there, yes I will.

You've got a friend.

You've got a friend.

Ain't it good to know you've got a friend.

Ain't it good to know you've got a friend.

You've got a friend.

hiway29 !!!! this is a special birthday for you.

here's a little something:

and let's sing

head and shoulders knees and toes KNEES AND TOES

lotsa love, ex

ohgod don't remind me of that thread

abi, maybe pawtucket can help you, he recently said some of the old stuff would show up here

ditto

Dear God,

So far today, I've done all right.

I haven't gossiped. I haven't lost my temper. I haven't been greedy, grumpy, nasty, selfish, or overindulgent.

I am very thankful for that.

But, in a few minutes, God, I'm going to get out of bed; and from then on, I'm probably going to need a lot more help.

Amen

gee tiny tim

i will pray for you and your family

i would never have stayed in my seat. but if someone with the ticket for my "new" seat came and yelled at me i would move

(i also take photos until i get yelled at)

(i use men's rooms when women's lines are too long but i have someone stand guard outside and apologize when i come out)

i would go thru that light if no cop was around

i would never cut in line at certain places (like rush hour bus) because i value my life

i didn't vote wasn't sure which one was me

former wc heads at gunnison

i am praying for you and your son and his wife and your grandchildren. i want you to all be reunited with love and peace in your hearts

hugs

ps. you could always ask CFF's web site to edit that teaching if you don't feel that way

i am praying a lot

jon, thank you for your post

quote:

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I hope that you all get over the damage suffered at the hands of lcm and twi and move on with your lives.

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you left out wierwille

i disagree about separating his walk from his doctrine but we are allowed to disagree

what i?m saying is i think it is more than just his ?personal life? and what he practiced - you know - more along the lines that he was a false teacher who made merchandise of us, corrupted the word of God, handled it deceitfully and stuff like that

i do not have any ill feelings toward you or CFF people (except i think rev. nick splinter is a big jerk)

but i do think you guys might be building a cult on a cult. but time whatever will tell, maybe we'll never be sure until we no longer see thru a dark glass, God surely knows

and i thank you for your kindness and good wishes, i mean it

[This message was edited by excathedra on August 08, 2002 at 10:07.]

dear zixar, i'm right here, you can talk to me

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"...and not base your judgement on one really bad example."

the only example i am basing my judgment on is wierwille

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this is what started it (i think)

i only shrugged when you first said it because i didn't know how to handle your saying why let him stress me out from the grave or something like that (i have heard that before and don't think it's fair)

to tell you the truth, i was thankful for ginger's post

and then you were so mean to her

again you said something about him being dead and displacing blame for abuse or something

i quoted these again after you said them because you said you didn't mean and i asked you what you meant. what did you mean ?

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okay, you were referring to the splinter guy and dot, but still even that, CFF JUST ORDAINED HIM, are you saying they don't stand behind this guy who says you couldn't wipe your behind without PFAL. come on, when you ordain someone into your ministry, i would think you back them up or agree with them

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i want to defend ginger, not only because she defended my abuse stuff, but also because she questions things and isn't afraid to question and she makes sense to me about life and individuality and being your SELF

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i would not want to join another offshoot, but not just because wierwille destroyed my "SELF" for a long time, it's because if the group seems to hold him in high esteem, i think they have a cult problem

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ps. did you just call me "stupid" before because of guilt by association

A new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are copying copies, not the original books.

So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out that if there were an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.

The head monk says, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son." So the head monk goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original.

Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him. He hears sobbing coming from the back of the cellar, and

finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks, "What's wrong?"

"The word is CELEBRATE," says the old monk.

you could not tolerate ginger's scatterbrained derailings with your due sense of exhaustion and dread and your buffer was full before she ever said anything about tombstone.

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to others, i'm sure there are great people in CFF (like you here) and you had a great time at your family reunion. shroyer sounds like a very nice guy too. and as i said on one of the other threads (about father wierwille) i like jon from knowing him as research geek.

but i hold the opinion that twi was a cult before martindale took the mantle. and i don't think it's wrong to discuss the fact that CFF seems to be a good old days of the way ministry.

is it a secret? there should be nothing to hide if they believe they are right.

the outlaw

WELL ?????

i'm really glad to hear about your mom