excathedra

well if it's twi, you better check your bed for horses' asses

i am praying (((nkn)))

i just received one from "shazdancer" (i know it's not her) titled "Please try again"

at least i think it's what it is. yahoo won't let it come in. the email is 123k but completely blank -- i guess cause of yahoo protection

this is the same thing that happened when i got one that said it was from suzie or george, i forget

i am deeply saddened

(((((steve))))) we will all be together in that twinkling of an eye

no pain

no hurt

no sorrow

no disease

praying lots (((((Tony and family)))))

i am soooooooooo happy for you and your wife and family

you deserve it and more !!!!

lots of luck and blessings and all good things

love,

exxy

a DEBT of gratitude ha ha ha ha good one, ry !!

you better pay up LOL

you designed and manufactured the first disposable contact lenses ever on the market!!!

WOW that is absolutely remarkable

love, ex

thank you ex

i'll keep praying for JT and all

i too can listen to that accent all day long

and all night long

oppsie doopsie

thank you AHAT i mean it

(((((((((L.W.)))))))))

wish these cyber hugs could be real

but they are from my heart

ohgosh you're making me all teary-eyed and i wasn't even there

ps. how are john and holly ? anyone know?

sudo and everyone -- you look marvelous!!!!

pps. adios, i hope it's memphis for you

i got you and ex10 mixed up once, maybe that's a SIGN xoxox

i continue to pray for this dear boy and you sis-ex and his family and your family and the kids and everybody

i'm encouraged to hear about JT moving

my prayer is for complete miraculous healing

hugs and kisses

thanks red, i would like to send my love to rj also

i am praying a lot my dear sister ex

krys, adios, ohmygosh i didn't think these could get any funnier

please God

and their mortgage for their house

and their happiness and dreams

and their friends in their fellowship

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I'm glad for both threads, Satori, and you do attract some very cool people too.

I wanted to share some information I think we'd all benefit from but a family emergency is calling my attention and me physically as well, to go out of town for a few days, as far as I can tell it.

I'll check in if a computer is handy, if not, I hope there's lots to catch up on when I return.

Meanwhile ~ take care everyone and "I'll be back"!!!

Satori, I do so love your brain, how lucky I am to engage it on very provocative subjects and the rest of you guys, you are ssoooo cooolll...have fun while I'm away...Ginger PS I'll miss you :~( sniffles...bye bye

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thank you ginger that you didn't say goodbye for good. thank you for helping me

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Laleo,

I had a situation for years in which I couldn't share my feelings with someone important to me.

I bought a special journal so that every Christmas - because I couldn't be with this person, their choice not mine, so I wrote down my emotional experiences of that year down.

What was so revealing to me was that after 5 years (I read it over completely) ~ I found out where I'd been.

Regardless of who is right or wrong, I found how I started with anger, followed with blame, then bitterness, then accountability for my part until the year I last wrote in that journal ~ was acceptance.

I got to see my progress, and more importantly, my process. We are all unique ~ and so are the experiences that inform us ~ there are no two that are exactly alike.

Writing is a great form of mapping, or a chart.

I agree with you and encourage you to continue. Our 'cache' is most important to truly living if we put ourselves to good use..imho See you later, Ginger

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Satori ~ so that's a troll ~ hehe

Hi Laleo, I always enjoy your posts.

I was referring to the troll won the last round as a measure ~ to stop there and let people think.

Some of us do not realize when we are reacting to 'triggers'.Even if it's not accurate, it falls in the category of exagerration. The suspected troll is expressing something one may not 'like'.

That liking something or disliking comes from ME in how I respond.

Like a wake-up call. Am I jolted? Will my defenses rise? Will I be offended? Will I defend someone who is? What am I really miffed at?

Does it apply to me? If it does, now what.

Look in the mirror. What is leaving you? Are you left out? Are you pulled in?

Disagreements and adversarial situations don't own us. The situations can be turned into what we make it if we so chose the engagement with others.

This is where I meant ~ I guess the troll won ~ not the troll per say ~ an intention that showed a part of ourselves to others and to us.

We can't experience our emotions if someone else isn't there. We take for granted who we are. We stay set or fixed in our lives if we remain unchallenged. We don't get to check our maturation and progress if our worlds limited to being comfortable and we're 'in charge'. We stagnate.

There is no right or wrong here, I think. Fine, go about our life, stay whoever we think we are, don't bother with what's going on. Some of us even put our heads in the sand.

But you know what, sooner or later, we have to take on our emotions and confront our fears. Things will keep happening, the same conflicts (or what our inside is in tune to by our conflict within) until we conquer what causes us to feel certain emotions that prompt our own unwelcome responses.

Playing it close to the vest will not work when the 'other person' is responding. We'll shut them off because because we don't want to look inside and see what is causing us to feel 'that way'!

That is what was happening on this thread to a degree.

Reminded me of who's gonna get their a$$ kicked after school. It's just emotions and projection to ~ the words in a post by a poster ~ yet it can exagerrate itself because the issue within wasn't 'nipped in the bud'(sp). I know now how I feel inside, my flaws, my limitations (which change to as I change). This thread is eally all about GROWTH.

IMO.

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In my opinion, just learning all this forum decorum, I don't think a 'troll' is in anyway a threat to GS. Looking back on this thread, and at suspected trolls threads and posts, I really haven't seen anything resembling anarchy or that even is worth a riot over.

Actually, it can be a good opportunity to test where ones' strength is at. And where it isn't.

With two mentioned, I saw how possibly I felt at one time. I could be very different now ~ and that's good for something. Look what I can share.

The Evoo thread is basically a joke now, perhaps because it was over the top. Look at it, some points taken to heart or offensive to me doesn't have to have any power over me. I decide.

Trolls could be a joke, a mirror, or Pandora's Box, same difference, it shouldn't matter to me. I'm in charge of my life and because of that ~ I choose how I will feel about who and what I allow inside of it.

I took sides my whole life, and you know what ~ as the years go by and the tears are dried, the battles get forgotten. It's the words I said in reactions I had that come back to haunt.

Even if we are offended, we are stronger when we decide to use wisdom and stay aware of ourselves when we sense a reaction. It may be for us to look and see what is really getting our goat, or go see what's trolling within, because the troll isn't offended. Why should we choose to be.

And if the subject turns into the intention of a legit troll~ it wins if people cave in to the negativity and fight over it.

I guess the troll won that last round, huh?

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I had to learn to let others fight their own battles, which was very hard for me having been taught to look over my sibling when I was young. As adults, we all carry baggage if we've lived at all. I now realize what is my lesson and what is another's. I'd wished I'd know it sooner in this life, since that could have saved my taking on others causes. I just wanted to contribute. If it applies, good, if not just open the window

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My 'de-fences' only allow me to see part of a problem when I experience conflict. I feel uncomfortable, therefore, I tighten up and until I recognize this, or someone points it out to me and I can accept it...my mis-understanding remains exactly that. When I am secure again and look at my responses, or feelings toward others actually, I can see clearer...because I am not threatened ...the best thing a person can do involved in conflict is to keep her/his head until things cool down...it's hard to do always, when we are engaged in a conflict, but to understand that our feelings change, that's a constant, and our perceptions are usually clouded by emotions, just realizing this can help.

Adding - not to be attatched to the outcome, let's us detatch more easily than if we want instant results...what was that song...'fools rush in where wise men never go' ~ yea, I know it's about love, now that's a good idea!!!! ...Just some thougts...Ginger (ps. I know we know these things, just sometimes we need a gentle reminder, than again, it applies within reason)

This thread is helping me to slow down when I experience strong emotions, and check out when I'm clinging to something unpleasant, writing out my rationale or feelings helps me to see more clearly...Anyone else finding this besides me? I want to take time formulating my judgements as I want to grow and stretch from what is comfortable ~ to what can be reasonably safe, yet daring...I want to be better tomorrow than I am today...

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someone made a big impact on me and i went back to that old cafe to read (and now copy and paste) the posts by gingertea. i think there are 7. this is the first one; then i'm going to put the other ones here (editing a tiny bit on paragraph breaks )

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Maybe we are both the good guy and the bad. Leaving the supernatural aside, and that includes evil and purity and lightness and darkness, beliefs and morality too, I'd like to suggest something. The average, healthy person has an emotional range that encompasses every known emotion to man, right? I don't want to kill someone or myself, but, in an extreme circumstance, might I? I don't want to lie, cheat or steal, but, if my livelihood couldn't provide for me or I lost hope it could, and a family would starve over the lack of sustanance, would I?

If I was angered and frustrated, feeling out of control and someone jumped in my face, and I wanted to slap them to release the violent emotion, could I? What I mean is, even though rationa! lly I wouldn't act on these feelings, it doesn't mean I wouldn't have them. How I confront others, their words, actions, and intentions, really is about my emotions and how I know this is because of stimuli, I respond. Or I don't. It is my intimate feelings that are perhaps my most hidden, even to me - someone else's own intimate feelings may be their most understood. Everyone is always at a different place, and that's part of the reason we are very comforted when we have people in our life who are near to where we are on an emotional level.

We get upset when an intimate relationship changes, or strains, because we are acutely aware of it. Deeper, stronger responses. The lighter, less intense or available, perhaps even infrequent stimuli to my emotional make-up (or wake- up) occurs to me to be more elusive, I think. Criticism, for one. How I judge another, I judge myself. Consideration or lack of, rejection - deliberate or unaware, etc., all work the same way, I reject you, I ! reject that part of me - because I want to put aside something wit hin, that 'catches' that 'something' inside I have decided not to see, so, I reject it in me, and the outward is I reject you, or your words, or what you are giving, or taking, whatever it is.

Do you see? In this way, where is there a bad guy or a good guy? If what's bad is good - and what's good is bad ~ to see it from a different perspective for a sec' ~ than what confronts us is the best thing -to signal- what we need to learn or resolve. We don't always do this. We are human and err. We hear, but, what do we hear? What we want to or what they want you to? This is a problem for every one of us. Listening is key to this particular group because here, no one will recruit you without your permission. No one has to swallow anything one doesn't want to. Everyone is safe to process ANY information, no matter the source, because you are safe and free and can use your sensabilities and new self-knowledge to decide to absorb for yourself what you choose. That's the beauty of being c! ult-less!!!imho...

I'm sorry satori's thread is closed. I'm glad Paw decided the way he feels comfortable with. It's all good if we choose to see what's good, I think. Then again, it works the other way around too. ...I'm free to be me...I would never give that up again, period. How do I know? I listen to my 'inner' self by what my experiences teach me, and that was through the 'bad' mostly. I learned from what appeared to be 'bad'. I didn't need to learn what I already knew felt good...my mini-me take...thanks satori, for introducing me to the topic of 'silence the outside, there's stirrings within" ~ Could it be another turning point, the next 'bad' time I have? I hope so...

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