WordWolf

JustThinking, I'm sure Pat will want to sample this list when he gets out for his website, so let me ask before I forget: If he copies this list to there, is that ok with you?

And all this time I thought dowsing was playing with devil spirits... That's what my copy of "Angels of Light?", recommended reading for Advanced class candidates, says. Must be an old wineskin.

Ditto. I had already figured they were all gone for good, anyway.

Um, she said she likes Norton. Norton and ZoneAlarm, I hear, don't play so nice together. I hear that in this forum, in fact. I like ZA, myself, but she likes Norton. Therefore, Kerio might be a better free firewall for her.

Ok, XP's "firewall"... XP Service Pack 1 has a firewall called "Internet Connection Firewall". It's a toy. It serves to buy you a few minutes while you download a REAL firewall. XP Service Pack 2 has a better firewall. You'll know if you're using that because it comes with a "Security Center" program. That's where a window will show something monitoring your antivirus program and so on. It limits incoming traffic a LOT better than the SP1 thing, but it's not really a "firewall", and it does NOT secure outgoing traffic. "Microsoft security" is an oxymoron, remember this. So, install whatever security programs you want, then switch off the "firewall" in Windows that came with Windows. I've never heard of a firewall that was LESS effective than the Microsoft ones. They were added to the operating system because some people have NO security and even BAD security is better than none at all. Personally, I'm not impressed with Norton, but if you find it works for you and you're happy with it, more power to you.

Here, here!

Socks may have explained it well and clearly, but some people (determined not to see the point) might as well be hearing adults in a Charlie Brown cartoon. Socks makes an excellent point, and some people just get "Wah-WAH-wah-wah-wah."

Please keep in mind, HCW, that Mike is not only disinterested in anything that supports the overwhelming evidence that vpw wrought pfal by his own will and in the interests of making a class with KEYS for Genesis to Revelation. Mike's looking specifically for anything he can isolate from its context, and use to claim that pfal REPLACES Genesis to Revelation. (Which contradicts what the books say.) Please keep in mind that the contents of the books-which he claims to be directly from God in the sense the Bible is- have done nothing to change this point of view-even when the contents directly contradict it. Mike also takes the liberty of mentally rewriting anything HE says, anything YOU say, or anyone ELSE says. For example, he's depicted himself as having been wildly successful in outdebating us and in presenting evidence supporting his position. Mike has also said he's seen that Jesus, when he returns, will have a copy of the orange book in his hand and be teaching from it. When asked if he was joking, he said he'd seen him this way several times. So, HCW, you may respond to Mike however you wish, or NOT respond to Mike however you wish. I thought you'd like a quick word of warning first, however. Let me know if you need some links for some of this stuff.

One story that I heard about the corps.... A guy had a reputation for falling asleep during the loooonnnggg teachings. One time our poor Eutychus was listening to vpw go on (and on.) Once he fell asleep, his neighbor tapped him and whispered "He just asked you to speak in tongues and interpret." Immediately, he sprang to his feet in the middle of the teaching, loud enough for the whole room. " Lo shanta vea lo shanta" (or equivalent). He was interrupted pretty quickly by vpw, who said "Sit down and shut up."

Oh, good. I thought you'd said everything you were going to. Glad there's more to be said.

*reads link* Or DOESN'T stand, as the case may be. Mine is missing, as are some other people's.

Funny. Some time ago, Jeff did a "drive-by posting" on a Christian board I was at doing that very thing. I replied quickly and raised the same issue you did. I'm not sure if he ever visited again or if it was just a true "drive-by". I am aware that the thread died pretty quickly once I asked him what the harm would have been posting a more honest approach. (I posted exactly what I thought he should have posted.) Oh, and please post your Momentus experience, but give it its own thread. :)-->

Like they know that. One of the things they check for is if you swallowed your money. ("Another Fine Myth")

Don't think your work wasnt appreciated. Without the both of you guarding the room, the adversary would have been allowed a toe-hold into preventing us from prevailing in the spiritual competition that is life, and would have allowed him to steal, kill and destroy the hotel coffee, or something.

I'll echo his request. What can those of you who knew her tell us of her?

Ok, my bad. I'd read this at the bottom of page 8, but for some reason I thought there was going to be a follow-up on it. Not sure why I got that impression. Myself, I was going to wait for the end before recommending it be edited for inclusion elsewhere, but someone beat me to it.

Most of the people who tried to reprove me were at least partly correct in doing so, and none of them tried to shout at me. (This was a smart idea. Perhaps they thought I'd pull a knife or something. Like I'd need a knife...) So, I listened, and found merit where it was. Where it wasn't, I listened, then did my own thing again. ===== The one exception was a guy in the corpse when I visited hq. I said something which was true but he didn't want to hear. (It wasn't ministry-related.) He went into one of those filibuster diatribes they learned from experience in the corpse. I waited for him to finish, then said, coolly, "You've been waiting all day to give that speech, haven't you?" I forget what else we said, but the conversation relaxed a bit after that. Part of it was because he didn't NEED to put on the mask for me, part of it because it wouldn't work if he DID. It's funny-looking back, I can see he probably felt a little more at-ease not having to read from his script....

No- somebody CLAIMED-off the record- that twi is now kinder and gentler. Not the same as someone investigating it and saying "Behold! They are kinder and gentler!" (Someone who would give a fair appraisal, anyway.)

I'd start looking from here: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm

HCW, whenever you feel ready to discuss Roch*lle again....

Frankly, I think the "14 generations....14 generations...14 generations" thing gives vpw's explanation the strongest case. I'm curious if he got it from someone else, or really DID come up with it himself. (Odds are, he got it from somewhere else.) Interesting he split from Bullinger on this, though.

As promised many moons ago, some crowing about Firefox. Firefox is designed to accomodate lots of "extensions"- widgets that enhance your browsing experience. Firefox by itself is a neater program than Internet Explorer. Due to IE not matching industry standards, some websites designed specifically to be viewed under IE won't view properly under Firefox. No problem. Activate your "IEview" extension and it reads the same way. Unadjusted Firefox has a great popup blocker. You can add just about anything you can think of to Firefox. Like using "gesture" commands? There's an extension for that. There's extensions for better Flash downloading, and better downloads. "NukeImage" and "NukeAnything" allow you to make whatever you want disappear off the screen. (Except some Flash that you can shut off by default.) Want instant translation? Tiny URL access? Access to news sites? There's extensions for THAT, too. "AdBlock" allows you to prevent ads from even loading. It also works on offensive linked graphics, if you want to block them instead. Somebody mentioned a program that allows IE to zoom in on an image. Firefox has ImageZoom. And so on, and so on.

By request, clicking this to the top. I left the child abuse thread where it was.

Does anyone want me to bump up the old "Hunt Close" thread?

BTW, something reminded me of this..... Did anyone here ever hear what vpw said out loud about the present danger of women hitchhiking to LEAD and getting raped? He spoke about it. Anyone with a copy of the "Heart of the Way Corps" tapes can play the 2 that were recordings of vpw, and hear what he said. I never memorized his response-but I believe I still have the tapes fairly handy if it's really needed.... He said people had complained that women could get raped hitch-hiking. He responded that women could get raped in areas they normally travelled in (some valley-Green Valley, maybe?), and used THAT as his justification for saying this objection was groundless. Would anyone out there care to replay it and report back EXACTLY what he said on the subject? It's about a minute or so after he says "You'll hitchhike to L.E.A.D. even if you NEVER make it."