WordWolf

*slaps forehead* I just freaking saw this movie the other week. "HOME ALONE."

[I (WordWolf) am going to reply using my old style of boldface and brackets.] "In a different thread, I talked about a situation I had with a sub parent in Rome City. It reminded me of another sub parent story that really upset me and to this day I fail to see the logic that TWI used in this situation. My mother was from The Bronx. She had zero camping our “outdoor life” experience. She was also chubby and not in great shape." [twi's so-called 'leadership training program' was wildly deficient in actually teaching leadership or anything similar, especially since nobody in charge had any training whatsoever in that department. People trusted that they would know how if they offered to teach it. One of the many things they did wrong was to rely on free/cheap things to do, all so vpw/twi could pocket more money- even when the alternatives could mean injuries or people losing their lives. vpw saw everyone else as DISPOSABLE, and RESOURCES. He saw everyone in terms of what he could get from them. As a result, a number of MANDATORY things they did were all physical education, since they could do some of that 'on the cheap.' What did it have to do with leadership training? Well, skipping the b.s. excuses, it had NOTHING to do with it. Oh, the excuses were 'to get them to do things' and 'to get them to trust God', and things along those lines. Here's a concept I first heard of on the GSC. It's called "FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY." Go look it up, it's important. Twi was, is, and always will be, a group that wants all the BENEFITS while refusing the RESPONSIBILITIES. You want people to put their lives in your hands? Then you're responsible for those lives while the are- and there's no "Well, you'll have to trust God to provide on that, we won't help you directly." That's not how it works among the heathens and the publicans. To do so among 'the household' is a disgrace. Treating people WORSE than the 'rank unbelievers' is a disgrace. Treating people better only because the law and lawyers forced you to is a disgrace. There's plenty of things they could have done rather than risk people's lives to teach them to plan, to act, to trust God. They had a FIDUCIUARY RESPONSIBILITY to remove and reduce all risks to their participants. They never did- and vpw insisted that they not. (I've heard him on tape, addressing the Way Corps privately, dismissing concerns that women were ALREADY raped hitchhiking to LEAD and that it could happen AGAIN. He said they could be raped anywhere anytime, so he refused to consider changing anything.) I'm not going to sit here and redesign their programs for them- we know they still read these messages. But anyone who cared would have designed different activities- ones that might even have had some cash layout like buying an old school bus or something. Did they say "Anyone who considers going into the Corps should be in excellent physical condition because there will be many athletic challenges, and it will be an athletic program as much as a study program?" They never said it, but it would have been responsible to say if they were going to make it an athletic program- which it was. It was falsely advertised and intentionally mislabeled. They sprung the athletic stuff on people, and kept the standards for entering low to accept the tuition of everyone willing to enter. Activities that should never have been assigned were given to people who never should have been allowed in, and made mandatory. This current story is only one of many of people who never should have been put in these positions.] "While she was on LEAD, someone told her to go back to base camp to retrieve something. She told the LEAD coordinator that she didn’t know how to get back to base camp." [This is ridiculous. They shouldn't have even been on a MANDATORY camping trip, let alone wandering alone around dangerous areas unescorted. The people running things should not have been understaffed and rushed enough to have nobody to spare to make sure they had everything, and nobody to spare to go to base camp to retrieve something. In 20/20 hindsight and the cold light of day, this is ridiculously IRRESPONSIBLE of twi and, frankly, a little crazy.] "She was told to take a left at the Gambel Oak. She had no idea what that meant and was yelled at when she said so. Someone told her to “Ask God”. She was afraid to reply so she went on her way and proceeded to walk off the side of a mountain and she broke her back." [Being from the Bronx, it's quite likely that- having been given an insane instruction at any normal location, she would have told the supposed 'leader' who couldn't lead traffic where he could go or what he could kiss, and go off on her own. twi's notorious for isolating people, and THEN lowering the boom and giving them insane instructions when they have no sensible recourse. The 'instructions' were grossly insufficient and twi failed in its fiduciary responsibilities. She paid the price for their carelessness- and their apathy.] " To this day she has trouble walking. This should have been a lawsuit as her life was never the same after this. She limps and has a lot of pain and was not allowed to see a doctor. As a result, her spine healed incorrectly and vertebrae are permanently fused together." [ YES this should have been a lawsuit. They put her in a dangerous situation and forced her to do potentially dangerous acts, and when consequences came, twi should have been sued a lot because they didn't pay for even a REASONABLE amount of care (which would have been a lot of care, considering how much of this was their fault to begin with.) Had they not insisted on a series of unsafe instructions, she would have been in the city, in a familiar environment designed not to risk killing you if you make a wrong turn.] "That’s bad enough but it gets worse. She was driven back to Rome City and was “reproved” for failing LEAD and was told she might not graduate. When she got back to Rome City, she was bed bound but was placed in a remote room far away from her actual bed. They basically stashed her in an attic." [Typical of twi, but more insanity. It was ENTIRELY their fault, and they blamed her for it. (Job was not the only one with 'miserable comforters.') Instead of getting her directly to a hospital, they all but propped her up in a closet. Even a BAD hospital would have been better care than that. (And in this sort of injury, I speak from experience.) twi should have been sued- a lot.] "I had no idea that she had fallen, no clue that she had hurt herself and no one told me she was back. I was living life thinking she was in Colorado on LEAD and my sub parent was in on the charade. She was home for a week before someone let it slip that she was home. I still have no idea why someone thought it would be a good idea to literally hide my mother from me. When I asked leadership about it, I was told that she had a failure in her believing that opened her up to the adversary and that he caused her to fall. They said they didn't want her to see me until she was "ready". It turned out she had been asking for me the whole time. I cannot believe I stayed after this, but I was a child and so I did." [This was an insane situation- and not atypical of twi. No child should be in such a situation. The allegedly "responsible" adults should have acted in a RESPONSIBLE manner, and then a small child wouldn't have to make sense out of insane orders from people who supposedly served God. (Under circumstances such as these, it's not difficult to see 'which god' got served that day.) twi is allegedly a lot nicer nowadays, now that the lawyers have forced a few cosmetic changes on the group. Anyone who falls into their clutches now can just as easily end up in a situation like this one. The specifics may vary, but twi cares about people AS RESOURCES no matter their rhetoric.]

IMHO, it's a lot healthier that you got this out of your system. You had to bury those feelings and not deal with them. Catching up can be uncomfortable, messy, and loud, but it's part of the road to the real you 24/7, so IMHO, it's necessary.

I didn't like it. I picked the most obscure times I could to shower. Then again, when it came to the 89 ROA, with 4 out of 5 people having gotten up and left twi all in one year, it was a lot easier to find those times. In fact, since it was at 20% occupancy all ROA, that was my first indicator that twi was now 20% what it was the previous year (although even they made the same comment, behind closed doors.) How much work would it have taken to put up STALLS? I know there's places where some people think guys are generally comfortable going naked around other guys in the shower or whatever, but that's never been something I was comfortable with, and it never will be. Go ahead, call me "prudish."

I remember reading an editorial cartoon once. A reporter was interviewing some football players at a stadium. "Which would you rather play on- grass or Astroturf?" "I don't know. I ain't never smoked no Astroturf."

"Tony Danza." It's that Elton John song. "Hold me closer, Tony Danza!"

The idea is that any group that runs a program of "leadership training" should be competent to conduct such a program, and be able to understand the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES that go with that. The way corps was started by vpw. vpw was not a graduate in any leadership programs. He was not a participant in any leadership programs. He was not even in the military. However, he had seen movies about the military. He based his ideas about what this program would involve on movies he saw. He envied the movie generals their ability to tell a recruit "jump" and have the recruit obey automatically. He has no understanding of what training and experience the general had before becoming a general, just what was in the movies. So, once again, vpw pretended he had skills and qualifications he lacked. The first few years of the program made that obvious- he was sort-of throwing things together as he went along. There was no overarching goals for the program's teaching. There was no monthly/weekly breakdown of what was to be taught, let alone HOW. The guiding principles were few enough- the students needed to be obedient and be ready to jump off a cliff if told to do so, the students needed to make sure all of their fees were on time, and all things that twi did in the program were to be done in the cheapest manner possible- FREE if possible. Where a responsible organization would consider candidates for a leadership program ready to make a 4-year commitment to be a valuable commodity in themselves- and pay for the program and deal with them carefully-, twi treated them largely as DISPOSABLE and saw them in terms of what twi could get immediately- money, sex- and in the long term to see them as de facto slaves to twi who would jump off a bridge decades later if told to do so. The "screening" was very perfunctory. What vpw said to lcm when he was unsure about being able to raise the money was pretty much the standard for screening- "YOU CAN STAY AS LONG AS YOUR MONEY HOLDS!" When the people had to get from one place to another, a responsible group would have at least an old school bus or a passenger van to move them. No, that costs money. They were told to HITCH-HIKE, and even students raped or killed while hitch-hiking didn't get them to change that policy. (Decades later, the lawyers forced them to change things. How despicable is your religious organization if even the LAWYERS think you're irresponsible?) So, in twi, if you were a stranger, you were pressured to attend twig. If you attended twig, you were pressured to take pfal. If you took pfal, you were pressured to take the Intermediate class. If you took it, you were pressured to take the Advanced class. If you took it, you were pressured to go wow. If you did, you were pressured to go way corps. You were always being leaned on to go further- and to always remember to give twi lots of money. Everything twi did/does was/is at retail prices. They printed books in house- you paid as if you bought them at B & N. They produced tapes in house on the cheapest grade available- you paid as if you bought them from a commercial store. And the TYPES of donations! You were expected to pay 10% for even the least attention from GOD ALMIGHTY. That went up to 15% and even 20% under lcm. Above that was 'abundant sharing'- and that was expected regularly, above the other amount. twi also had the nerve to make up something else. They said to "plurality give." This didn't mean to donate extras of things. This meant to calculate how much you needed to live on- with no luxuries, no investments, no savings at all- then hand over all the rest of it to twi. Ever hear of another group with the nerve to demand that? But the screening to enter any program was largely "confirm the limb leader didn't think you'd get arrested", and "can you pay the fee?" and then you were all set. Many people went into programs that weren't ready or suited for them. A few people had breakdowns or were unstable, and a few people died. twi, naturally, took no responsibility for any of that. So, it should not surprise anyone that women were molested and raped in the way corps and working on staff. It should not surprise anyone that some of them might inflict the same on some males. vpw didn't make it public, but he arranged things to make it easy for him to molest and rape women when he was on grounds. Knowing that, it's not shocking others would follow suit.

All sorts of actors, all in one movie. "Stage Door Canteen??????"

That's it. That's how most of the episodes ended.

I'm stuck for the next round. FREE POST. Anyone who has one can take this next round. Otherwise, I'll have something eventually.

"Hey, Julie, did I ever tell you about my Uncle...."

Three actors who should never meet, all in the same movie? Presuming George is neither factually incorrect nor insane, my first guess will have to be "Amazon Women on the Moon."

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure Jane Wiedlin Clue

George got it- it was "HIGH ANXIETY". It was a comedy that was an homage to Hitchcock, with many references to his films. (I presume I didn't get them all.) The premise is a nod to "Vertigo". One scene took place at an important spot in "Vertigo." We saw a shower scene where someone was attacked in the shower, and the frame-by-frame seems to match "Psycho." An innocent man was framed for a murder (not uncommon for Hitchcock.) The director was in the movie- Mel Brooks played the protagonist (technically not common for Hitchcock, but, whatever.) "The Birds" was nodded to in a whole scene involving pigeons, first congregating in a park on a structure... The name "North By Northwest" was mentioned in the movie. (He could have squeezed a few more names into the dialogue, but he chose not to.)

That's it!

Hmmmmm..... Good question.....

Should be the old "Dragnet" TV show. Funny how some of the old, classic shows are getting re-aired now, with so many media platforms looking for content.

That's interesting. I thought you, in particular, would have had this one already.

That's it. I was surprised how many people in Ron Howard's family were on camera in that movie. His mom played Jim Lovell's mom in the movie, and had some good lines. Clint Howard was in Mission Control. He was the one who replied when one of the astronauts mentioned he needed an extension on his tax returns. "That's not funny-they'll jump on him."

Luke Wilson Anchorman- the Legend of Ron Burgundy Paul Rudd

Jean Speegle Howard Rance Howard Bryce Dallas Howard Clint Howard Cheryl Howard Roger Corman Max Grodénchik Kathleen Quinlan Ed Harris Gabriel Jarret

This movie was not filmed by Alfred Hitchcock. Why might I lead off with that? Well, the rest of the clues..... This movie included a scene that took place at an important spot- the exact same spot- as a scene in "Vertigo." And ANOTHER scene was a reenactment of a scene in "Vertigo" but not in the same spot-the exact set was a recreation but the alleged location was along the shore.) It also had a scene that appeared to be a frame-by-frame reenactment of a VERY famous Hitchcock scene (so famous I am not naming the scene.) We had an innocent man framed for a murder. The director appeared in the movie. The name "North By Northwest" appeared in the movie's dialogue. Alfred Hitchcock got to screen this movie before it was released. He seemed to like the movie- his only criticism was something insignificant. (Knowing Hitchcock and under the circumstances, that's the same as someone else saying it was a good movie.) One scene was a nod to another famous movie- a man sat on a park bench, while pigeons slowly congregated on something behind him... This was NOT an Alfred Hitchcock movie. Which movie was this?

Herman's Hermits? *wild swing* "Something Good"???

Next one. This movie was not filmed by Alfred Hitchcock. Why might I lead off with that? Well, the rest of the clues..... This movie included a scene that took place at an important spot- the exact same spot- as a scene in "Vertigo." And ANOTHER scene was a reenactment of a scene in "Vertigo" but not in the same spot-the exact set was a recreation but the alleged location was along the shore.) It also had a scene that appeared to be a frame-by-frame reenactment of a VERY famous Hitchcock scene (so famous I am not naming the scene.) We had an innocent man framed for a murder. The director appeared in the movie. The name "North By Northwest" appeared in the movie's dialogue. This was NOT an Alfred Hitchcock movie. Which movie was this?

Jean Speegle Howard Rance Howard Bryce Dallas Howard Clint Howard Cheryl Howard Roger Corman Max Grodénchik