WordWolf

I would agree with this. I would also point out that vpw was doing his best to be seen as "counter-cultural" and "cool" to the young folk. Part of doing that was to say "down" when traditional Christianity said "up." If you look at both twi and ex-twi, a LOT of time is spent on how wrong most of Christianity is on specific things, and often making the same points decades later about going directly to God and so on, that was surprising when the hippies said it, but is old news decades later. (Does this mean they're stuck in the 60s and 70s? Probably. They're definitely in a rut.) So, if traditional Christianity was for a healthy family and against abortion, vpw was ANTI-FAMILY ("I have no friends when it comes to God's Word!"- said while cutting ties to family at twi's recommendation) and for abortion. As was said, the pro-abortion thing had the advantage of being what vpw wanted to say, as it promoted getting rid of children that could interfere with A) sending money to twi B) blindly following twi C) keeping it secret that vpw and other leaders were outside their marriages, doing things that could/did result in children. If you want to know what the Bible says about some of the related ideas, I started a thread for that here... https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24071-when-is-it-a-person-when-is-it-alive/ A related thread meandered a lot, but here it is also..... https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/14337-holy-thing/

There used to be a front page and so on. The posted reason this place exists was "to tell the other side of the story." That is, when twi (and ext-twi) kept seeking to hide and conceal information, it was the purpose here to reveal that information. Has it worked? It worked so well that twi INSISTED on the GSC posting a letter they wrote! When they tried to conceal their behavior when Mrs W was moved from her home off-grounds to retire elsewhere, the news broke here immediately- and no matter what anyone says, ex-twi people checked here for breaking news- as did people CURRENTLY in twi because twi NEVER leveled with them- and got accusatory at questions. So, they logged in here and read what twi wanted kept concealed. In order to do damage control, twi insisted on a response posted here- so all the current twi and ex-twi could read it. When JAL kept trying to advertise whatever ex-twi church he was in that week, he did so here. Oh, he never did it directly, he insisted on doing it in a sneaky way. He had a ces person post his letters to everyone (hi, Jeff!) who tended to get a bit coy about whether or not he was told to post it here. (Jeff also went around all sorts of Christian messageboards, posting links to ces/stfi, and saying, in effect, "Gee, I just found these links to a Christian website, and I don't know what to make of them. What do you guys think?" In one case, he crossed paths with me, and I immediately posted a reply to his thread that made it obvious it was both an advertisement and dishonest.) Later he had people post letters here and pretended he had no plans for them to be posted here, and hinted at both here and his letters ending up here somehow. It's really hard for me to respect anyone who makes it standard policy to be so completely dishonest while claiming to understand the Bible and teach it to people. vpw succeeded largely because we didn't know he was dishonest and a fraud. So, as the clearinghouse for "the other side of the story" for both twi and ex-twi, the GSC, is, at least in theory, neither pro- or con- religious... unless one counts being con-twi. The GSC serves as "equal time" to all the time twi spends HIDING and refusing to level with its people. I'm sorry to say I've done more than my share in flamewars here- even though they were exclusively anti-vpw and anti-twi. When vpw adherents showed up, determined that vpw was some great one and we all forgot he was, I've let them have it. (To a degree, I've done the same with the ex-twi groups.) I hope too many innocent people didn't get caught in the middle, and the messages weren't lost about how dangerous it is to trust twi, vpw, and ex-twi splinter groups in general.

Although I think the other subforum would be a better choice, this isn't an incorrect forum to place the thread, and I wouldn't lose sleep over it if it stayed here. Frankly, I don't think it's worth moving it further than here at this point.

"Yes, but why is the rum gone?"

It's only easy if you know the answer, as Regis Philbin was fond of saying when someone was stumped on "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire".

"Girl of 15, sexually knowing, the ushers are sniffing eau de cologne." "Magically bored on a quiet street corner. Free frustration in our minds and our toes. Quiet storm water, my generation. Uppers and downers, either way, blood flows." I could probably make this even easier, but why should I care?

Apparently, I've picked the right time to check in and post. Ok, let's see what I can add...

OK. I got confused because MM was in "Love Happy", which also included Harpo, with Groucho and Chico making appearances. It was not a "Marx Brothers movie", it was a movie in which 3 Marx Brothers appeared. "Monkey Business (1931)" was a Marx Brothers film from back when 4 brothers worked for Universal. "Monkey Business (1952)" was a film with MM and Cary Grant and Ginger Rogers and so on. With so many movies, sooner or later, we get movies with the same title, hopefully not often. Often, the plots won't have anything to do with each other whatsoever.

That's him. I was getting ready to add Scaramanga to the list if this didn't work.

Yes, this was known as "the Heidi Bowl" in some circles due to this blunder.

As something that is an attempt to reflect a Bible-based position, I thought it belonged in Doctrinal, but it's far better of in Matters of Faith than in About The Way.

"Wonder Woman".

Must be more than one movie called "Monkey Business." The one I know has the Marx Brothers in it. MARILYN MONROE???? (And, if so, was "Love Happy" meant rather than "Monkey Business"?)

Dr Fu Manchu Grigori Rasputin Mycroft Holmes Jonathan Blair Bernard Day Chris Lewis Sir Felix Raybourne Georges Seurat Harry Cooper Lt Cdr Dick Raikes, RN Karaga Pasha John Preston Franz Vermes Gil Rossi Charles Highbury Sir Henry Baskerville Father Bartolomeu Count Ludwig Karnstein Professor Karl Meister Franklyn Marsh Fu Manchu Lord George Jeffreys Mycroft Holmes Lord Summerisle

Christopher Walken Sleepy Hollow Christopher Lee

OK, I have a sports question (yes, really.) Nowadays, US TV allows broadcasts of US sporting events to have coverage for as long as the event lasts. They used to allow for a large time slot, and kept to that, even if the game might have a few minutes remaining somehow afterwards. This practice ended largely due to a game where the actual game's coverage on the East Coast was interrupted by a television movie. As it turned out, the missing portion of the game included an amazing comeback, and a team coming from behind to win the match. Normal question- WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE MOVIE THAT INTERRUPTED THE GAME? Ridiculously hard question- WHICH TWO TEAMS WERE PLAYING IN THE INTERRUPTED GAME? Answer the ridiculously hard question if you can. Otherwise, please answer the normal question.

waysider's turn!

"you allowed this post to stay in about the way for some time." Technically true, but he also later apologized both for missing the request to move the thread, and for leaving it there so long regardless (since it didn't need a request to be moved.) I'm willing to take his apology at face value. He could just as easily post something inflammatory and claim it was intentional, so I don't see any point for him to LIE and say it should have been moved, without consequence. Therefore, I think it's logical his apology was sincere and I've accepted it. In other news, dredging up the other thread at this point, to me, amounts to advertising it, and I'm not in favor of that, so I won't.

George returns- with the correct answer!

Ok, as an Aerosmith fan (if a minor one), I was expecting one of their older songs, something from the 70s. This was off "Permanent Vacation," in the late 80s. I don't know Frankie Valli's portfolio, but the only Aerosmith song that I know of that actually was a DC villain's name was "RAG DOLL." I'm very confident that the villain did NOT inspire the song.

Excellent inquiry.

Ok, that was "Yellow Submarine." The next one.... "Girl of 15, sexually knowing, the ushers are sniffing eau de cologne."

"Gnomish Space Marines." "We all live in the Gnomish Space Marines, Gnomish Space Marines, Gnomish Space Marines..."

Amazingly, that was a miss.

If you want to follow up on this, there were discussions in previous threads. Here's a few: https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/12635-other-prophesies-prophets-and-charismaniacs/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/13026-they-pulled-that-stupid-prophecy-thing-off-their-website/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/12471-ces-is-in-a-mess/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/12521-prophecy-and-dreams/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/20712-jals-most-recent-email-12272009/ There were a bunch of threads that addressed the original claims, with Karen G claiming to see spiders come out of people's noses and so on. For those of you wondering how this stuff works, I started a thread... We discussed "personal prophecy", cold reading and hot reading. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/12632-step-right-up-get-your-own-personal-prophecy/