Oakspear

Even Oakie, huh? :P--> By the way, you mentioned that Lucifer wanted to exalt his throne above God. The verse quoted says the stars of God. Is there any source other than Wierwille (and later Martidale) who translated that verse as "above THE star: God"? Seems to me that the genetive of possession in Hebrew was expressed by placing the possessing noun immediately after the object of possession (I know, I'm setting my self up for "possession" jokes) In other words the Hebrew words for stars God would be translated stars of God.

My good man: my drivel is very responsive!

Just so, Lindy, ya nailed it If someone describes a phenomenon, and claims it is God, or the devil, oe ESP, or aliens, or the IRS, my doubt does not mean that it can't be any of those things, just that I don't see any evidence to support the contention that it is. I can't remember where I saw this, but unexplained phenomena are usually explained by way of whatever pet belief the believer believes in. ;)--> The Christian believes that the unexplained event is evidence of God, the psychic believes that it is evidence of psychic phenomena, the UFO enthusiast that aliens were involved, a Hindu might credit Krishna or some other deity, etc. All we really know is that something apparently unexplainable happened

Wrong again Penta breath! -->

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Del D was quoted in Karl K's The Cult That Snapped as heading up a "rescue team" that broke into houses and hotel rooms and such to rescue those being "deprogrammed". Other than what Lifted Up has shared, I have only met one other person who had been abducted for a deprogramming. This person escaped on his own. Wierwille wrote a By The Way paid editorial in 1980 or 81 about another deprogramming attempt. The abductee also ecaped on his own. If TWI was kidnapping back the kidnapped they never made it public as far as I know.

Lindyhopper: Good questions!

I couldn't care less about oxy water. I come here for the entertainment

Oops...the second link uses the term "evolved"...my mistake :o--> He is quoted as saying "Follow the evidence, wherever it leads." - which IMHO, many more biblical literalists fail to do than scientists

Mr. Flew, according to the first link, has changed his mind several times, and has admitted that his opinion that life couldn't have begun on it's own without divine intervention was based on a misunderstanding of what a physicist said about biochemistry. He did not address evolution, but the appearance of DNA in the first self-reproducing life form. His concept of God as he describes it is nowhere near the Christian or biblical one; he envisions God has the initiator who sat back and refused to get involved...like the Deists' God.

Oops, missed that when I first looked, you're right...Bullinger says that christos should always be translated "messiah" - seems a bit straining-at-gnatish, but that's Bullinger -->

Thanks for checking and posting the results --> It's all implication and assumption, but it well thought out implication and assumption. :D-->

I just looked at the Companion Bible and don't see where Bullinger would translate the first "Christ" as Messiah. And why would he? "Christ" is the anglicization of the Greek christos, while Messiah is the anglicization of the Aramaic meshichah(sp?), both which mean the same thing: "annointed". Undoubtedly, the word translated "Christ" in the verse is christos, since the KJV translators were using a Greek text.

Happy 1st!

Lifted: We're thinking August at the earliest.

I've gotten apologies from a few people and have given a few; no letters though :P--> I'd like to see an "official" apology from TWI...yeah, right

I no longer have a bible dictionary. Laying down their cloaks = proxy votes? Also in the bible dictionary? How do we know that he was a voting elder and that he cast the deciding vote? Sorry, but just because Wierwille said it isn't good enough for me, and that's the only documentation that I've ever heard.

Well, at least we agree about something. :)-->(Just don't ask me to believe that it was some demon playing around in that corn field.) Hey, it is boring in husker land, got to do something till they reinvent the football program. Hey! Def: it's one think to disagree over doctrine and the existance or non-existance of God...but now you've gone too far.

How do we know what the standards for membership in the Sanhedrin were? What is the documentation? How do we know that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin?

Some years back my uncle was attending school in Rome and struck up a conversation with one of his professors who happened to have the same last name as his mother's maiden name. Turns out she was a cousin from a long-lost branch of the family that we had heard about from an elderly aunt, but were skeptical existed.

Not much, but there is no rule that states we have to keep threads on-topic :D-->

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

You made some good points about symbolism in this thread in your attempt to connect the World Trade Center to the World Trade Organization, cannot you not see that the connection, attachment, whatever, is not to the buildings, but that they are a symbol of those who died there? Maybe if I was Ayn Rand's character Howard Roark I would mourn the actual buildings, but the emotion, the sense of loss is for the senseless deaths, not for replaceable buildings. Geez, Galen, I apologize for suggesting that you were dense and trying to be an (*), but c'mon, it isn't that tough to understand, whether you agree with the sentiment or not.

Galen: I wasn't clear that I was talking about non-deprogramming-type persuasion, such as a discussion over the kitchen table, or reading literature. Getting locked away and ganged up on necessarily introduces different circumstances.

I heard that Henry Ford took the class ;)-->