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george, the way i understand it, sirguess is looking at the world thru his stage theory... evidently, there are worldview stages within this worldview... and one of the stages appears to be the "rational worldview" (perhaps, even rational materialism) of course, stage theory presupposes evolutionary development (growth) thru the stages... Rupert Sheldrake believes that it has become "increasingly necessary to explain things like consciousness, hermeneutics, and spirituality in evolutionary terms." here is one set of stages: Magenta (egocentric, magic) Red (ego- to ethnocentric, egoic) Amber (ethnocentric, mythic) Orange (worldcentric, rational) Green (worldcentric, pluralistic) Teal (worldcentric to “kosmocentric,” integral) Turquoise (“kosmocentric,” integral) so i have a feeling that there is a failure of the "meeting of the minds" here regarding the term "rational thought".. personally, i reject stage theory and its evolutionary development and growth... peace, jen-o edited to add the first 2 stages (which i had accidently forgot)

i was wondering when "hate speech" was gonna be brought up..."hate speech" legislation is one of those things that supports the idea of "forced acceptance"... certain speech has been made a crime... thereby, effectively silencing any criticism or opposition... if that's not forced acceptance, i don't know what is... homosexuals do not want "equal rights", they want special rights based upon their sexual behavior... they are most vocal about demanding that their "lifestyle" be accepted... and there definitely is a GLTB agenda that promotes their lifestyle... "enrages" is not the right word...it does not enrage me; it makes me nauseous to see such a display... and yes, it is a "moral" question... it's a question of what is right and wrong... although i know that in this age of "relativism", right and wrong has been pretty much thrown out the window... i believe the bible... i'm not forcing anyone else to believe the bible... but as long as we still have free speech, i am gonna speak my mind... the bible says that homosexual behavior is wrong... and that's what i believe... i've noticed that shellfish (as an abomination) has been brought up a few times... and so i would just like to clarify a couple things... shellfish falls under the category of a dietary law... (personally, i think that these are still good rules to follow for health reasons) but Christ is the end of the law for righteousness... and HE has fulfilled the law, being made our final sacrifice for sin... so we no longer need to follow dietary laws to be made righteous before God... these laws were a shadow of the things to come... when the bible refers to shellfish as an "abomination", the word used is "sheqets"... (see leviticus 11 for a list of dietary "abominations" i.e. sheqets) "sheqets" carries the meaning of impure in the sense of contaminated, polluted... a very appropriate description of the "meat" of the restricted animals and the reason for not eating such... the section of leviticus that references "homosexuality" (chapter 18) is a totally different scenario... lev. 18 is talking about sexual practices... (the list includes incest, adultery, and bestiality) and the word for "abomination" in this chapter is "towebah"... "towebah" carries the meaning of impure in an ethical sense (confusion, sexual perversion, violation of nature/divine order) these are two very different abominations... and are distingished as such in the hebrew... just wanted to clear that up... peace, jen-o

monsieur le bump,you sound like you don't believe me... why would i lie about something like this?? no, i hadn't watched a 1930s creature feature... nor had i been drinking... i didn't have any bad food... i wasn't on drugs... etc. etc. etc. my focus was on comforting my grandmother... and i slept at her house that night... the day had been filled with funeral type stuff... again, why would i lie about this?? btw, no, i don't live around LA... and i've never lived around LA... but i've been to LA once (okay twice) peace, jen-o

paradiseden, with all due respect, i absolutely would not seek guidance from a christian minister who is spiritually blind to the unbiblical nature of "momentus" and "personal prophecy"... (major red flag!) this does not show spiritual insight! nor would i seek guidance from a christian minister who believed that he would make a self-centered, money-hungry, power-seeking, lust-serving, lying and abusive alcoholic proud... not exactly the stamp of approval that most christian ministers would seek... he might be a nice guy, but he sounds spiritually blind... and i personally would not want this kind of minister as the leader of any christian organization i was involved with... peace, jen-o

gee, how are you suppose to stop it...unless you keep males and females segregated from sun up to sun down... i suppose that is theoretically possible for domestic animals... but what about wild animals?

(((excie))) i don't know what you posted... cuz everything was deleted by the time i got here... but i just wanted to give you a hug... hugs, jen-o

rumrunner, i'm not talking about you... i'm talking to you... so anyways, how are ya? :) there were only 2 posts before your post about "humor"... and one of them was mine... i didn't think you were talking to doojable, so i assumed you were talking to me... sorry for the confusion... i was just asking you to clarify what you meant IF you were talking to me... which i guess you weren't... anyway, nice to meet you... :) peace, jen-o p.s. now what were we talking about... LOL

rumrunner, you talking to me?if so, whatcha talkin about? truth is stranger than fiction... and real life is so strange that it's humorous... yeah, i get that... but i'll bet activist paula stibbe doesn't think it's so humorous... peace, jen-o

i love you, too, excie... xo jen-o

hi excie, i never sponsored anybody in the corps... but during my last year in "twi", round xmas-time, a corps person came to visit our twig... she was trying to raise money and said she couldn't go back to the corps program unless she had a certain amount of money... a couple people chipped in to give her money... and i gave her $200. to make up the difference... i don't remember her name... but i'm really sorry that my actions sent her back into that abusive program... wherever she is, i apologize for that... peace, jen-o

so vpw got his "revelation" from a hotline... (and acted like it was from God) doesn't surprise me... vpw reminds me of balaam... i think God would need to open the mouth of a donkey in order to talk to him... apparently vpw was a rascist, antisemitic, self-centered & self-worshipping, modern day balaam... anyone who held such an unbiblical perspective toward people should not be trusted to teach "truth"...

ocw, is this info from an article... or are these your own observations? peace, jen-o

boooo hissss?? doojable, what's with the boo hiss? are you saying that you think austria should have allowed it? and declared the chimp a person? thereby opening the door for chimps to have "human rights"? peace, jen-o p.s. thanks for posting this interesting info...

caveman, i have had a very similar experience (a couple of them actually)... the first time was the night of my grandfather's funeral, when i awoke to find 2 spirit beings in the room... one of them, a familar spirit, impersonating my grandfather... (this was years before my involvement with twi) i also heard words of reproof... 5 short words... (from my experience, there is no added "fluff" when God speaks) at the time, i was considering having a chat with the "grandfather" being who was slowly descending the staircase... and the words came out of nowhere... "what if it's a counterfeit?" the words cut thru my thoughts and penetrated my soul... and although they were only 5 short words, there was greater meaning attached to them... and i changed my course of direction 180 degrees... peace, jen-o

heheheheh... p-e-a-c-e to you, le bump! c'est moi, jen-o...

gee, i'm just curious... are there really a lot of people at the gs that still give money to twi and its splinter groups? i know i feel a little bit out of the loop, and there could be more people here involved with splinter groups than i realize... seems to me, the splinter groups are just a chip off the old block and most folks would recognize that (but i could be wrong)

p.s. i only had the privilege of stringing chairs one time... (at a large function during my wow year) and i remember thinking at the time: how b-i-z-a-r-r-e is this!

whitedove, where have i done this?perhaps you need to get out your trust dictionary and look up the word "insinuate"... no where have i subtly hinted anything about you... my communication with you has been quite upfront and direct... perhaps a little too direct for your liking... but it's the opposite of "insinuation" which connotes a subtle hint... check out your dictionary, whitedove... peace, jen-o

george, sometimes i feel a little bit guilty about this, seeing the degree that other people's lives were truly affected by twi... and sometimes i feel a little bit out of the loop because of it... waysider & oak, i never really thought that my experience was all that unique until about a week ago... (while posting something here at the gs) oak, i was in twice...81-87... and 94-97 (but the college degrees were in the 80's) i even did the wow thing (81-82) but i must admit, there were no way corps in my family... we were the only wow's in the town (and very isolated from all things twi) and we only saw the limb leader 3 times all year! early on, we called him to ask for advice, and he told us to go ask God (actually that was great advice) so we didn't bother him after that... we were pretty much on our own... and this was the way all my years went... up until 1997... my very last year... and yes, we got one of those new hardcore recent corps grads for a limb leader... who tried to micromanage everybody's lives... it was like having the gestapo in charge... i continued to run my life as usual... which evidently was causing them some distress... (at the time i was clueless about this though... LOL) but i guess they finally had enough of me, and kicked me out... of course, you know they did me a big favor... :P peace, jen-o

yanagisawa, you really do have a way with words! very descriptive... and very well done... i would encourage you to write more... you are an author... peace, jen-o

ocw, i wasn't really asking you that question... i was just wondering aloud... i did check out "the purple pew" website... but still could not find the answer to my question... i also went to the "connecting the dots" website... but the best i could find was an argument that says: it is not homosexuality that is a sin; but rather it is sodomy that is the sin... i'm a little confused by this and i don't want to get graphic here, but don't male homosexuals engage in sodomy? anyway, i'm just trying to find the argument in favor of the bible supporting homosexuality... yes, of course, God loves homosexuals... i have never questioned that... God loves all sinners; that is why Jesus came to earth... but the debate is really not about God loving people; it is about whether God approves of certain behavior... peace, jen-o

thanks for the info, ocw... just 2 quick comments... of course, God is not a respecter of persons...but there is respect with regard to actions... i'm still waiting for someone to succinctly state how the bible supports homosexuality... (and tell me what they think it "really says")p.s. if this is a christian organization, don't they realize that everybody is a sinner? (where's the head scratching icon... LOL) peace, jen-o

when i was a kid in high school, my then boyfriend and i had a history class together... on the first day of class, we all signed our names on the sign-in sheet... but boyfriend signed in as "john barleycorn"... teacher then read off all the names (to put names with faces, i suppose) and we each responded "here"... of course, when teacher came to boyfriend's signature, teacher continued to call out "john barleycorn, john barleycorn,,," but no one responded... the class thought it was soo funny... yep, boyfriend was a smart a$$...

oak, i stand corrected... (although i still would like to hear one anti-twi thought straight from the horse's mouth) i have only been posting since march... and have not seen "whitey" (heehee) disagree with anything about twi... is it accurate to say that he accepts the bulk of twi doctrine and thought? still, whitedove sauntered on to this thread insinuating that i make insinuations about him... and trying to make the thread about HIM... (i have seen him do that on other threads) in any case, i have no need to insinuate anything about him; my disagreements with him are OPEN and DIRECT and FOCUSED on the doctrine he states... (for an example of this, see wolves & shepherds discussion) now, back to our regularly scheduled program... or has this thread been thoroughly hijacked now? i wonder if bumpy is sitting in a little cafe on the coast in riec sur belon... :~) peace, jen-o

whitedove, everybody thinks their doctrine is truth... do you seriously believe anyone thinks that the doctrine they follow is a lie? oops... my bad... did i use the politically incorrect term "attack"... maybe i should have used "confront"... no, that's no good... might trigger twi memories... i should have said that i "vehemently disagreed" with your conclusions and with twi doctrine... is that better? how about listing just one?anyway, whitedove, i'm not going to participate in continuing to hijack this thread by making it about YOU... so if you want to continue to discuss your doctrinal ideas about "wolves & shepherds", meet me on that thread... peace, jen-o