OldSkool

13 hours ago, Stayed Too Long said:

Yes, God requires forgiveness by his followers when they have been wronged.

The real crux of the issue is offshoots using this garbage as an excuse to keep the cash cow running and preservinvg their jobs. Of course offshoots and anyone still idolizing false prophet wierwille demand forgiveness from the victims...but you know what? Thats deplorable to expect a victim to extend forgiveness when the perpetrators dont ask for it or repent of their jaded actions. So shame on anyone putting this garbage on people who have been wronged as they arent the ones who need to ask for or extend forgiveness unless repentance occurs and perpetrators make amends...which has never happened to my knowledge when it comes to all things wierwille. BTW - God himself doesnt forgive without repentance...we are to be followers of God. What we are told to do is give place to wrath and let God settle the account, which he will.

12 hours ago, Rocky said:

Seriously? That seems to equate to trolling. Not related to a discussion of a genuine issue and concern.

Figured folks would appreciate my humor. Think its time for me to be moving onwards. Peace.

1 hour ago, Mike said:

God has put an "insulating blanket" around the physical realm, which limits the ability of the devil to rule his inherited world.  It also limits God's ability to get things through the insulation, but His foreknowledge and all knowing power is still there to work within this limitation to get His will enacted, eventually. Someday the insulation will be removed.

Complete imagination here. God is not limited in anyway, but go ahead...

5 minutes ago, waysider said:

 The red water represents your "off the word" thoughts. The clear water represents your "on the word" thoughts. By slowly displacing the red water with the clear water, you are eventually left with a glass that has no room left for red water. What's that phrase we used to say? Oh, yeah, Renew Your Mind.

Ship of Theseus

Now, as far as the subconscious goes, the thinking was that all thoughts are spiritual in origin and what is call subconscious thought is really spiritual thought from one source of the other. Thus, you have no subconscious thought that is truly your own. 

 

edit: I didn't write the... syllabus.

Just reading along and thanks! Cause Ive never heard the analogy.

31 minutes ago, waysider said:

These 2 paragraphs conflict with what was taught in subsequent classes, such as RM, DWA, etc.

I think the only one surprised by outright contradictions in wierwille's theology is mike, who tries with all his might to "unsee" them and rationalize reality away to make room for wierwille: the self-help pseudo christian who favored gnostic and other occultish doctrines.

35 minutes ago, chockfull said:

I only do interpretive dance not interpretive math.  Sorry.

But can you do the renewed robot?

49 minutes ago, Rocky said:

We're not in a realm wherein God produces manuscripts, right?

We are in a realm where God uses many forms of communication to impress his will on us. Ranging from the stars, to written manuscripts, oral tradition, etc. But yes, God has done as you say and provided Moses tables of stone with the mosaic Law inscribed thereon. The errors of men do not nullify God or his scriptures.

Exodus 34:1

And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

5 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Notably, however, I respect your (oldskool) long held belief in God's word

No doubt, and it's very mutual,  and thanks! Actually, I had very little faith if any at all when I was drunk. That was about a 6 year period or more really. My faith rekindled when I dropped to my knees asking God for his help with a sincere and humble heart. My life has not been the same since. 

4 minutes ago, Rocky said:

So I am definitely not trying to argue that anyone here "is wrong" about God. I hold that there's just too much we don't and cannot yet know to make any such distinction.

 

Perhaps its the differnce between a faith based view and non-faith based view? Personally, Im ok with whatever anyone wants to believe, but of course Im always ready to explain the reasons for my faith but not everyone wants to hear that. Rock on!

16 hours ago, Rocky said:

The fact of the matter is there are no original manuscripts in existence. There is material evidence humans have corrupted what we've believed to be the Word of God.

Theres copious evidence that people have corrupted manuscripts and such....but why do you think God has to produce one ancient manuscript to rule them all in order for the Bible to be legitimate?

The KJV committee utilized 5000 or so texts from the Byzantine line of texts and the Textus Receptus agrees with these manuscripts nearly 99%. So God chose many manuscripts for comparison and accuracy. I wont derail this topic any further with this off topic post but Im more than happy to discuss what Ive learned on the subject in another thread. Peace!

Older is not more reliable:

https://www.kjvtoday.com/arent-older-manuscripts-more-reliable/

43 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

I laugh out loud whenever I read GSC. There are some really funny emmeffers here. Where else could I read the pants-p¡ssing hilarity that is "God taught VPW."

Its a relevant point for certain. God clearly states I am holy so be ye holy. He lays out multiple qualifications for ministers in his scripture that sets a high bar of ethical behavior that victor paul wierwille clearly did not live at all, since he was a drunken, sexual predator, and plagairist. So God almighty, with whom it is impossible for God to lie, violates his own written Word to teach victor paul wierwille. He didnt even violate scripture for his own Son, Jesus Christ but had him fulfill the law and redeem mankind where Jesus Christ fulfilled the minutest detail of the Mosaic law: but he made an exception for Victor Paul Wierwille?....complete bullshonta.

2 hours ago, Mike said:

You folks who operated far too much in the emotional realm,

How many realms are there anyway? spiritual realm, physical realm, emotional realm, pflappy realm, colateral damage realm, Rogaine realm, if it dont fit you must acquit realm...personally I think its a word thats just overused by you wierwilleites to try and sound like you know what your talking about...

1 hour ago, waysider said:

English is a goofy language, ya know? "Shut down" can have more than one meaning. Are you saying that he, himself, closes his mind to more thorough deliberation or that he attempts to silence alternative opinions? I'm not sure it matters either way. I'm just seeking a bit of clarification, here

Im thinking a lot of both.

20 minutes ago, chockfull said:

Mike you want to get away from all the hate?  Well a camera offers a great analogy.  What you focus on is what you become.  Vol 1 Chap 1 of the Blue Book - your substitution for the New Testament.

I thought you were a paradigm of living the collaterals.  I mean they are what you worship.

Are you slipping here?

Well he's forgotten what we were taught and drifted away from the fundamentals...remember?

22 minutes ago, Mike said:

That is a valid way to work the scriptures

You talking about a valid way to work scriptures and you dont even respect the difference between does not and impossible...thats the point with scripture that every jot and tittle is vital...or did you forget that from pflappy...maybe had you been paying attention and not drifted away from what we were taught...maybe thats why you dont know the difference between a cloak and a book case.

10 minutes ago, Mike said:

You are scolding the wrong man, OldSkool.  Is it too uncomfortable for you to confront your old TWI leaders?

 

Nah, I confronted them to their faces and fought em for two years until I moved with severance pay. So no, I didnt cower when push came to shove but went toe to toe.

3 minutes ago, Mike said:

That is all you folks want to do is confront me and force me to discuss the nuances you feel are important.

Right because we seek you out and make you come here spouting off all the non-sensical concepts, non-Biblical concepts you try and mash into scripture. Its called a discussion, you don't get to talk down to peole around here and expect us not to respond and what you post will be put to scrutiny. Thats why I post here as well, I want my ideas put to scrutiny. Obviously you cannot handle that though.

4 hours ago, Mike said:

When you see a lot jeering and chatter,

I dont see jeering and chatter I saw you completely shut down because you were confronted with uncomfortable truths that you are smart enough to recognize but deluded enough to rationalize them away. Then of course you turn to insults when you do snap out of it, and a very arrogant condescending tone and choice of words. The adversary is everywhere huh....

4 hours ago, Mike said:

If it is more than that, please inform me.

Respect for scripture to not change even one word if possible. Is this a foreign concept to you?

18 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

Look how much commotion this simple truth causes!

 

The Word of God Is the Will of God.

 

It seems to scatter posters in all directions like billiard balls.

 

 

In fact your the one avoiding an actual discussion...really letting that agape shine through there buddy.

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

Look how much commotion this simple truth causes!

 

The Word of God Is the Will of God.

 

It seems to scatter posters in all directions like billiard balls.

 

 

Yet you ignore the rather obvious points I brought into the conversation. 

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Don't confuse God's will with His budget.

Oh...yah....thanks...was def. cornfused...malakas manylasetsy..mogadishu

6 hours ago, Mike said:

God, of course, does not lie.

Hevrews 6:18

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,

Scripture does not state that God DOES not lie, indicating that he could actually do so. Scripture says it's IMPOSSIBLE for God to lie...what happened to every jot and tittle? You expect to be taken seriously and you care not to quote God's matchless Word accurately?

26 minutes ago, Mike said:

The Word of God is the will of God.

The Word of God contains detailed on evil fallen angels, demonic spirits, etc. Since God details the adversaries kingdom, methods, motivations, etc in his Word...is Satan's rebellion Gods will as well? God's Word contains lots of information that is contrary to his will.