OldSkool

23 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Apparently, Loy was unwilling to go beyond what he was taught by victor paul wierwille.

Ahh...this one's easy...it should say "Apparently, Loy wasw ONLY ABLE to NOT bo beyond what he was taught by victor paul wierwille..." ....see fits like a .....

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

I realize that... I was playing on the word "cheater."

Oh...very punny....

5 hours ago, Rocky said:

Are you sure it's not the "cheat-ah" which has not change its spots? 

Leopards have spots too. Similar animals though except cheetahs are more social amongst themselves and run faster. 

2 minutes ago, Charity said:

This may be a silly question but why wouldn't or couldn't they have just sold everything and split the money how ever many ways and move on?  Did they really think they could build up twi to make it the golden goose that it was in the 70's and 80's. 

They don't have much to sell at this point. Camp Gunnison, which is a solid investment that come with water rights on the Gunnison river is a huge asset that even the current directors at TWI aren't stupid enough to liquidate. After that it's HQ. They already lease out their fields for local farmers to work hay, corn or soybeans. Otherwise, there's not much left to liquadate. HQ property is mostly garbage because it was all built around the annnual rock of ages and literally on a shoestring budget. The exception being the auditorium which is a VERY nice building inside and out. The OSC is a glorified ROA warehouse. Ermal Owens Building is a comlete POS as is the so called Biblical Research Center. Heck, I was working in the BRC and saw blocks that had been scabbed together to make studs when it was built because appearantly they ran out. So the money problems could be real, if that indeed is what it's all about. 

Or maybe the current group of directors is feeling some type of way (as they say) about the latest round of mass mark and avoids and want to at least appear remorseful or something like that...

4 minutes ago, skyrider said:

This firm warning would not be subtle.... it would be handled very firm in the presence of two or three directors to increase the intimidation factor. 

After fighting with the directors for two years before leaving for good let me assure anyone reading along that they are worse than paper tigers, weakness at it's finest. All they have is threats and intimidation. I marked and avoided their sorry behinds in 2008 so it's a rap at this point.

3 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

How can one be instructed or commanded to be a cheerful giver? This seems counterintuitive to me. This passage in Paul is twisted by many religious institutions, not just TWI, to gaslight the earnest seeker to part with their money.

If I give with the expectation to receive something in return, whether material wealth or future imagined spiritual rewards, then my motive is impure, no matter how cheerful I make myself. That is a quid pro quo transaction, and no amount of glove fitting can change this.

Love does not keep score. 

I agree that Churches have made twisted metal of that verse hands down. It actually tells one how directly in the verse:

2 Corinthians 9:7

“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver"

Don't give grudingly or out of obligation. Give what you purpose you want to give. So it's not that we are commanded to be cheerful either, just that God loves a cheerful giver. I give a lot of money to the homeless and others in need but it's not out of obligation or necessity or because the way international thinks I owe them minimum 10% of my income. I give quetly, privately, and when and where I want to and Im personally very happy that way. It's between God, me, and the person receiving the gift.

38 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

The very first article in this May/June issue cunningly suggests how (H-O-W) they will meet their need.

https://content.yudu.com/web/1rz5c/0A1tgm5/MJ2023/html/index.html?page=4&origin=reader

 

 

Thanks for the link. 

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The more generous we are in our giving the more properous we become in our receiving.

My experiences in the way international do not reflect this statement to be true, and I was one giving mofo. It always seemed that after giving away 15 to 20% of my income to the way international, and most of my time to the way international, that the only thing that was prospered was the way international. Stange perception, no?

These guys still teach the necessity of the tithe, which by all accounts was for the Levites care because they served in the Temple year round and the priests gave a heave offering or 10% of their tithes for the high priest. After Christ completed the new covenant we are simply instructed to give as we purpose in our hearts and to be cheerful about it. Their doctrines on tithing are from the pit of victor paul wierwille's lusts for money.

2 hours ago, Charity said:

"Time to come home is a strategic plan to reach out to individuals who once fellowshipped with The Way Ministry, but, for whatever reason, currently do not."

 

Still makes me think they need to replenish their coffers after mark and avoiding all the RnR crowd and anyone that looked like em. 

20 hours ago, Twinky said:

From the article:

"a strategic plan to reach out to individuals who once fellowshipped with The Way Ministry, but, for whatever reason, currently do not."

So would those individuals include those who -- for whatever reason - mostly baseless -- were M&A'd, slandered, vilified, abused - and if so, would those people firstly receive an apology from The Way Ministry; and secondly, be welcomed with open arms?

My guess is that (1) no apology would be forthcoming; and also (2) that any such individuals would be put on "spiritual probation" until such time as they proved themselves sufficiently sycophantic to re-embrace TWI restrictions.

Could take issue with practically every sentence in this promo.  But why waste the head space?  I have better things to do.  For example, my toenails need cutting.

 

 It's all fake!!!!!!  

 

Great assessment. They act as if because Donna and Rosalie made Craiggers the fall guy for his scandal (not his practices as they all know he learned from victor paul wierwille and are complicit to this day) and whitewashed a bunch of classes and books that everything is ok now and can all go back to the way it was...pun intended. Yeah....not so. I could never turn back now that Christ is the focal point in my life....that's like going back to Egypt...no thanks. 

8 hours ago, Mike said:

You just switched configurations

What is really needed is the lithmus configuration.

17 hours ago, BikerBabe said:

I have 941 games on Steam atm.  70 more games are on my wishlist.  Then there's GOG, Epic and a few others I have some other games on.  LOL.

 

Both of my sons bought the game when it was first released.  I have been building my own gaming computers since 1998 and over the years helped many game Devs by Alpha and Beta testing their games.

 

I was in a cult for way way too many years.  Why would I want to play a game about something I already lived thru?  Hahahaha.  /sarc off  Let me know what it's like to play if one of ya'll buy it.  In Steam I use the nick I use almost everywhere online, LComeno.  :)

HI, fellow nerd here! Been building gaming computers ince 2004 and just recently me and my son built his together. I used to be into Unrealtournament 2003, 2004, and UT3 which kinda flopped. But was in several gaming clans and used to do competitive matches and such. Also was into modding weapons in unreal script for a while, running a couple gaing servers and a teamspeak server back in the day. Retired from all that but still a computer nerd and serious Linux head. Running a server and setting up a music studio, which Im almost finished with at the moment. 

2 minutes ago, redrock and blues said:

Chockfull hit the bullseye!  Through the smokescreen of scripture and slick wording, it's all about the money.

Kinda makes me wonder if their coffers have dwindled. They had around $68 million somewhere around 2009.

1 hour ago, waysider said:

So, let me see if I can break this down. 

I left my real home to move to some fake home and eventually figured out the fake home was a scam and that they had ulterior motives. But now, I can't go back to my real home because it no longer exists. So, the fake home says, "Hey, no problem. Come back here and we'll pretend we're your real home again, just like we did before."

No thanks. I'll take a hard pass on that one.

 

 

Ditto....but these guys never quit...the ran the majority of people off then try a weak love bombing based come home campaign and act like nothing ever really happened. They ruined people's lives with a multitude of bums rushes and now they want folks to just come back cause the board of dummies says so. No thanks.

6 minutes ago, waysider said:

Will there be refreshments?

I signed up for parking crew

17 minutes ago, cman said:

My wife and I each got a card in the mail. That must be joking, I mean seriously? We have come so far ahead of that twi teaching they would not grasp any kind of reality that is truth.

Not that any of them might want to actually learn anything from god. They are stuck in a narrow analytical world of a few books.

And it's a sad place to see anybody still stuck in blatant error and cult land out in the cornfields. Those books they esteem so highly even superced scripture to them as they let their books define scripture. Sad. Those few books are considered proven ministry research according to them and as such are above question and treated as gospel.

3 hours ago, redrock and blues said:

I guess all you M&As are "forgiven" if you've been invited to "come & see".   From what I hear, they won't even let you drive by the place.  But then again, why would you want to?

Unless you are me and they know you post on GSC. They know who I am and after I ordered from their bookstore they have my address, not that I care, but thankfully theyve never sent me one of their post cards. I agree with you though, why would anyone desire to go back into bondage?

7 hours ago, chockfull said:

So clearly the BOD has an unspoken view of themselves along with HQ as “Jerusalem”

Which is appropriate in an ironic sort of poetic justice kinda way considering they are pharisees in practice and HQ is rife with all sorts of cultic legalism.

Ahh...its a secret ingredient but it's also Pennywise...

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

I never figured IT out, either. (This should be addressed before moving on to my good and great news.)

I never asked the question of my fellowship commander, because I felt he wanted exactly that question so he could "teach" me the answer.

I treated IT like I treated my aunt and uncle's BUSINESS. I just acted disinterested and unimpressed, so I wouldn't get caught in a sales presentation designed to sign me up.

Is IT SIT? What exactly is IT? Anyone know?

29 minutes ago, waysider said:

IT's the secret ingredient.

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ersatz+coffee+firesign+theater&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS850US850&oq=&aqs=chrome.1.35i39i362l8.335994217j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8f127e4f,vid:DwUS4dXUNnA

 

 

1 hour ago, waysider said:

Whichever one is available.

But, first, I have to figure out what to do with it.

38 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Almost.

Before knowing what to do with it, you must know HOW to get it. That is, HOW to get what's available, and you already know what's available: news, good and great.

Once you have it, then, Then, THEN you'll need to know what to do with it.

I never figured out what IT actually is....what is it?

3 hours ago, chockfull said:

Ah yes the Mystery!  This is that concept where Jews and Gentiles are together with one Lord and Savior and together in one body of Christ.

Except - 

1. Did they take “the class” yet?  If not they need to to really really be a part

2. All the heads of denominations are seed of the serpent and devil spirit influenced so don’t go to any of their churches, collaborate with them, have joint ministries with them, give them any money, or do anything other than witness to them the greatness of this “class”

3. If you are in debt you aren’t really really ready to fully fellowship with them

4. Any of their “causes” are second rate causes where the first rate cause is giving to TWI to support Craig’s pension, insurance payoffs from misconduct, Rosalie’s housekeepers, molten metal statues of VP for desks and lobbies, and keeping Gunnison open for like 100 people a year to visit but make sure “bless patrol “ is fully staffed to keep others including Christians out.

5.  The Ways investment arm - like the Mormon church they make money from your money.

6. Militant inspired leadership training - the “Way Corps”

7. Weekly phone hookups where you dress up and play audience

8.  Highly controlled “manifestations” where they are the only people who do them accurately.

9. The law of believing that works for saint and sinner alike except the saints get more blame for “not believing” enough.

10. Conspiracy theory at the Advanced Class

11. A top leadership body that listens to and is accountable to nobody on earth.

Isn’t it great that we now have the Great Mystery revealed in our day and time?

/s  (sarcasm flag)

The biggest mystery to me is why I put up with all that bullshonta for multiple decades of my life.  Experience a release from that mystery and vote with your feet.  Then the mystery of the scriptures with all nations and former persuasions being united in one body of Christ will become actually alive to you.

 

Isnt it seemingly (not really) mysterious how all those things were packaged as living the great mystery in the household of the prevailing word as the world moves over the world and we live victoriouly taking pflappy for the 351 time? Strange to say the least. 

1 hour ago, Charity said:

Being introspective would definitely be a two-edged sword for the corps - all that criticism causing you to look inside your thoughts and feelings and see nothing but sin and weaknesses would cause anyone to loathe themselves plus with Christ being out of the picture - there was no light, truth and love to bring wisdom and inner strength.

I know how dark and painful sin-consciousness and self-loathing are and that was just with me pointing all the fingers at myself - coming to know Christ after leaving twi is such deliverance.

That about sums it up better than I could put into words.

1 hour ago, waysider said:

I'm picturing one of those old, green, Way Tree bumper stickers with that as the motto instead of "Word Over The World".

"Never fast enough! Never strong enough! Never good enough!"

12 minutes ago, Charity said:

I knew about the legalism in twi, but the introspective part is new to me.  OldSkool, can you explain how that worked?

Yeah, basically never fast enough, never strong enough, never good enough. Praise was rare in my way corps training and we were treated like pond scum by the staff and graduated way corps. So most of the training is mostly polishing the flesh from an introspective perspective. I had extremely low self esteem as graduated way corps but also an ego the size of texas because I was way corps.

8 hours ago, little_rock said:

They said it is part of "The Mystery". The mystery is why I stayed too long at the fair. So glad got out of it, it was very difficult for me, but God found a way for me.

Another example of the way international taking a scriptural reality and abusing it by what they teach and practice. I endured the love bombing as well....the way corps training is so introspective and legalistic I think it's desinged to turn out hard edged so called leaders. 

The way international shouldnt ever speak on the mystery since they reject Christ as a person who accomplished something for them and a name sake to tack on the end of a prayer to make sure it makes it up to heaven. Sad really, they try to take him from the living Chrsit to the absent Christ.