David Anderson

Hello again Krys. I got your private message in my email box. Thanks. I'd like to ask for your help in a matter that came up a year ago regarding oxygenated water. But first I have to tell the story of how it arose. My 79 year old cousin, best friend, and god-father, had lymphatic leukemia for at least five years prior to the event that caused me to put oxygenated water on the front burner of my life. About a year and a half ago we were down at the Cleveland Clinic waiting for his name to be called when he went over to get a drink of water and couldn't make it back to his seat in the lobby area. He just grabbed onto the reception desk and collapsed to the floor. Since his wife, Doris, doesn't drive, I'd been taking him for chemotherapy for the previous six months and the visits were happening with increasing regularity. This incident told me he'd run out of oxygen and I knew it was now getting serious indeed. So when I got back to the shop I started figuring out how I was going to make some oxygenated water to get to him. I didn't have any stainless pressure tanks at the time and so used a carbon steel one I had that would make 5 gallons at a time. Seems ironic that my first job as an engineer back in the sixties was designing boiler plants, which involved, in part, taking out every last molecule of oxygen I could from the feed water because oxygen is death on iron and boiler tubes will rust through in a hurry without feed water treatment. And now, 40 years later, I was trying to figure out how to get the maximum amount of oxygen into water to help a man with a very serious and immediate problem. So I oxygenated some water, tapped off the first gallon to get rid of the iron, drank some to make sure I wouldn't die, and then took some over to Russ. The next morning I was driving across town and stopped at a gas station to use their restroom. I noticed that my urine was colorless- probably the first time since Grace Bliss's class back in the sixties. when I got home I called Russ and asked him if he'd noticed anything after drinking the water. He reported that his urine was colorless and added that it had been a dark brown for a long time due to all the medications he was taking. I reported that the same thing had happened to me and we concluded that the oxygenated water was doing something (but I had not yet come across howstuffworks.com and so had no idea of the mechanism that might be involved.) As the days progressed he noticed that the severe lower back pain he experienced, particularly after taking one of his many pills in the morning, left within five minutes if he drank a glass of the water. This was in June of 2003. I recommended that he tell his doctor he was drinking the water the next time we went for chemo, in the event he might have reason to tell him not to drink it. He didn't, just yawned as if that was the most boring piece of information he'd ever had to suffer through. But he didn't tell Russ not to drink it and so he continued. Russ continued to drink the water and seemed to think it helped him- at lest he had no more lower back pain after taking the pill in the morning. And, he didn't faint anymore during any of our continuing, and increasing, trips to the Clinic. Evidently lymphatic leukemia causes the spleen to sequester hemoglobin and not let it go and so more and more transfusions went along with the chemo treatments as June went to July and July to August. Finally the doctor said that although he was very reluctant to recommend it, he and the other staff doctors had reviewed his case and found no alternativea to removing his spleen. It evidently is a high risk surgery and many people in his condition don't make it off the operating table except in a plastic bag. Russ came through the surgery in fine order, but the surgeon said it was by far the largest spleen he had ever removed. It was the size of a small football and weighed six pounds. the normal spleen weighs 8 ounces I am told. Anyway, by September/October I was beginning to learn about hyperbarics and so found the name of the world expert in the field, Dr. Philip James. He is the head of the Wolfson Hyperbaric Medical Unit at the University of Dundee in Stonewall England, heads the UN taskforce on Obesity, consults with the oil companies and their divers in the North Sea oil fields, and his predicessor, Dr. Haldane, is known world wide as the Father of Oxygen Therapy. (he developed the first diving tables for the Royal Navy about the time Bullinger was publishing his Companion Bible- see also "The Haldane Effect" on metabolism.) Anyway, I sent an email to Dr. James, in the improbable event that he'd reply, explaining what had happened to Russ and I after drinking oxygenated water. I was primarily interested in finding out if there was any downside to drinking oxygenated water. To my delightful surprise, he did reply and assured me that there was no downside to the limited amount of oxygen that water could hold. He also said he found it "remarkable" that our urine turned colorless after drinking the water. And so, here is the question you can perhaps help me with. What did he mean by "remarkable"? Since he's a medical doctor I'm sure he meant more than "far out" or "groovy man". But it wasn't until months later that I got the chance to send him another email and ask him. He didn't reply to that email. About all I know about the subject to date is that the yellow in urine is caused by the chromium ion (but forget now if it is chrome +3 or chrome +6). Anyway, one of the states is yellow the other is not and so I rather expect that drinking highly oxygenated water moves the pH from the acid side to the basic side of the pH scale. I did my first go-through of the Haldane Effect, the Bohr Effect, Hemoglobin loading curves, CO2 and bicarbonate balances a few months ago but need to go through that kind of stuff three or four times before begining to get a picture of what is going on. I'm sure glad you mentioned that you know Newtonian Physics about as well as biology since Physics isn't known to be a very popular subject among most folks generally- even medical doctors! And physics + biology is a rare find indeed! Actually, molecules colliding with each other aren't all that different than cars colliding with people- except on a much smaller scale. And I know about cars colliding with people as well as you do because I should have been dead from a car accident in the winter of '65-'66. (Much to the chagrin of lots of folks I'm not dead.) And one that happened three years ago while I was on a bicycle crossing an intersection with the "walk" signal out in Fremount, Ca left me with so many broken bones in my left wrist that it took nine pins and eight hours of surgery to hold them all together again, not to mention a torsion fracture to my left leg. Not only was I one handed for a good while, I was one sided! Sure wish I would have known about hyperbaric therapy then as I would have found one to hop into on a regular basis in a hurry. So here's hoping you recover completely from your bouts of rectal-octal-itis (which I also know about first hand. That's the disease caused by the nerve endings of the eyes and nerve endings of the rectum getting crossed so as to give one a crappy outlook on life. Happens to me all the time!) So what did Dr. James mean by "remarkable"? Best wishes, dave

Hello Krys. Sorry to have taken so long to respond, but since my last post I was informed that my mother had passed away. She was a month away from her 96th birthday and died alone in a nursing home in God-forsaken West Virginia. The powers that be are allowing her to finally come home and tomorrow she'll be laid to rest alongside dad with a tombstone already in place that reads, "Because Christ has Risen, we also will Rise", which she and I had placed there in 1990 when dad died and I returned to equally God-forsaken Cleveland. My rotten siblings can do her no more damage now. But rest assured that someone paid close to a million dollars for her forced incarceration out of state for the last 11 years and it wasn't them. Democrats and Republicans are quick to point their finger at each other as the cause of all the financial problems this nation faces. But they won't admit that the government is rotten because so many people in this country are rotten and the folks in Washington only represent them. But I guess they never heard the Proverb about "better to hear the rebuke of the wise than the song of fools." That would hardly get them any votes in elections that are little more than popularity contests anymore. It's the politics of death and although mother was not always a little angel, she didn't deserve what she got for the last eleven years of her life. She did not have Alzheimers, dementia, senility, or whatever other excuse uncaring children generally give to have the state pay their mother's bills while they try to grab her house and everything else they can. I sympathize with those who truly need nursing home care, but mother was not one of them. Anyway Krys, I'm sorry to have called your post in question but after first reading it I immediately called a friend, who has congestive heart failure, and suggested he find a massage therapist to see if a lymph massage might get rid of the water around his lungs that the doctors are concerned about. But when I reread your post it occurred to me that you might have been pulling my leg, in which case I might have actually done my friend damage instead of helping him. It wouldn't have happened on a site that required real names for people to post. But here I can't assume people are telling the truth if they won't even give their real name. And hurt feelings or anger, etc. is hard to get serious about when I might be talking to Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse. Fact is that Kit Sober wanted me to post the info about oxygenated water here six months ago but I couldn't get past the Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck routine that so often happens with annonomous posters. I never met a soul in my tenure with twi back in the sixties and early seventies that refused to give me their name. I finally got over that when I realized how many jerks I've met over the years that did give me their name and figured I could do no worse than that. But it seems I have done worse than that by relying on your information and then questioning it. If you care to send me an email with your real name I'll be happy to apologize personally.

Hello Grizz. Sorry I didn't get around to answering your post last night but got tired and so went to bed. But I'm up now, have had my first glass of water while waiting for the coffee to brew and am happily escounced at my computer and firing on all cylinders. It used to be that I'd sit on the edge of the bed wondering if I dared stand up on my sixty one year old legs, finally take the great risk, stumble to the coffee pot, make the coffee, stubble to my office, turn on the computer, read for a while, finally remember to pour a cup of coffee, stumble back out to the coffee pot, only to find that there was no coffee as i'd either forgotten to add the coffee grounds, put the water in, or turn the coffee pot on. Ah, it's hell getting old! I seldom have those problems any more, nor those creeping joint aches or grogginess that used to make me wonder if my legs would actually hold weight when I got out of bed. But your're right, different strokes for different folks. What works for one doesn't seem to work for another. I rather think the main reason is not that the remedy doesn't work but rather that we are an impatient, selfish, and greedy lot here on planet earth- especially in America- and we figure that every problem we have should be immediately solved, in spite of the fact that many of our problems took sixty one years of neglect to show up at our doorstep. The Dandi Randi's (or whatever his name is) of the world take advantage of that fact with their cheap shots across the bow to talk people out of trying anything. The problem with water is the cost of shipping and handling. It is second only to boiling water as the highest cost to industry world wide. Most food stuffs are mostly water and coke and pepsi learned early on that they'd better put a bottling plant in every major market they have or all the profits would go to the truckers, rail lines or Fedex. When I started making the water I distilled my own water, oxygenated it and put it in two liter bottles and gave it away, with the stipulation that I'd give the folks more but they had to return the bottles. Amazing how inconsiderate folks are. I hardly ever got the bottles back and so became chief cook and bottle washer, scrounging around for used coke and pepsi bottles- sort of like Paw must feel, serving all that fine food and never getting a tip! Since I was already in the poor house the folks couldn't drive me there, but they did cause a whole lot of work that it finally dawned on me I didn't like to do. So I figured out how to solve the problem. Buy the distilled water for a dollar a gallon, put oxygen in it, put it back in the same distilled water bottle and sell it for $5 a gallon. Ah, that lessened my work load considerably! Almost dropped it to zero, as a matter of fact. Surprising how many folks will compliment you on a great product when it's free and then call you a no good capitalist pig if you dare put a price on such a good product. All of a sudden it's a rotten product and totally worthless. So the next best thing I could do was tell the folks how to make the water themselves- the old "give a man a pair of shoes and he'll need shoes again, teach him how to make a pair of shoes and he'll always have shoes" routine. So, if you're anywhere near NE Ohio and can get here I'll be happy to give you a couple of gallons of the water to get you started, or if not you can probably find Penta Water somewhere. They're a California company and Safeway out in Claifornia carries it I hear. Around here one has to go to an upscale grocery store to find it and pay $1.83 of a 500 ml bottle (which works out to about $16 a gallon). The alternatve is to make it yourself- and I've found over the past forty years that folks that passed through The Way are generally pretty resourceful and innovative people (you must admit that no run of the mill person would sit through 36 hours of lecture in a two week period). Anyway, I think it took Fred, Kit's husband, two days to get set up and make the water. He's an ex-Navy guy and tells me that they used to give oxygen to help drunken sailors get over it- a not unworthy reason to drink highly oxygenated water! What you'll need is some kind of stainless steel pressure tank to put the water in for starters. The best I've come up with so far is the Corny Kegs that coke, pepsi and the other soft drink companies used to use. They hold five gallons- the perfect size for a horses water bucket! Corny Kegs are a glut on the market anymore, at least they were til recently, since the only folks that used them were the home brew folks that made beer in their garage. If you can't find one in someones barn or a restaurant store room that is happy to get rid of it, you can buy them all cleaned and remanufactured from Sabco.com in Toledo, Ohio. As of six months or so ago they listed them for $40. With the price of nickel going through the roof that may be double now, but if you had to have a fabricator make one to order you're probably looking at a thosand dollar price tag. They're rated at 130 psi pressure- originally made by the Cornelius Company, but they don't make them any more. I think coke and pepsi use to pay $80-$100 for them when they bought them by the thousands. They are an engineers dream, a perfect solution for ten cents on the dollar! Then you'll need an oxygen bottle and a regulator to go on it and some hose and fittings to get the oxygen into the Corny Keg. I use 60 psi pressure and leave it over night or until I need it, but that's only because I'm not all that concerned about wasted oxygen. It's certainly not a pollutant in the air!!! For all I know 10 psi will work as well- but how long it takes to saturate the water I don't know. I use a two hundred cu. ft.(?) bottle of oxygen, which you may have in your garage if you have cutting torches. If not, it's better to lease them than to buy them if you move around a lot because there are as many unscrupulous welding supply places around as in any other small business, that will tell you the bottle you have is worthless and make you buy a new one rather than refilling the one you have. They usually get $100 deposit on the bottle instead of $100 to buy the bottle, but then when you go in for more they'll merely exchange bottles rather than having to refill yours. The oxygen costs about $20 and will last probably a year if you only make water for yourself and your familly. But I learned while setting up Gene and Donna Randall with a system that you can buy these little 20 cu.ft. (?) bottles (at least you can at the welding supply place in Dayton) that cost $60, including the oxygen in it. They're much easier to carry than to lug the normal size bottle around. But refilling them also costs $20 or thereabouts so you end up paying more for the oxygen. Donna tells me they've made three batches and still have maybe half the oxygen left in their little tank. The guy at the welding supply place said he'd apply the full price of the small bottle to a larger one if she wanted the next time she came in. He was quite interested in the matter of oxygenating water and so I suggested to Donna that she take him a gallon and he'd probably upsize the bottle for nothing. Then there's the oxygen regulator. They normally cost $80-$100 at the welding supply place. Although I've never bought any on ebay they are available there used for less than that. And if you have cutting torches you already have one. A word of caution regarding oxygen bottles. They contain oxygen at a pressure of 2500 to 3000 psi and so are not for kids to play with. It is illegal to transport them without the screw on cap in place since if an accident were to occur and the valve on top knocked off, the tank becomes a rocket. But then we pull into the gas station to get gas every day and so take our lives into our own hands and do so at our own risk because gasoline is a very flamible liquid and it's quite amazing to me that in all my years I've never heard of a gas station blowing up from some careless consumer lighting a match and blowing everyone up. Fact is that we all need gas for our cars and so we take the risk, and rely on the proprieter of the gas station, the oil companies, the car companies and the government to keep the risk to a minimum. Now if only someone would come up with a way to take the nitrogen out of the air before it goes in the carburator, why our gas milage would go up dramatically, not having to heat up all that useless nitrogen and spitting out NOx gasses through the exhaust pipe. Fact is that a car will no more run without oxygen than it will run without fuel. (just like the human body) We take the oxygen for granted because it's "free", but we pay a price anyway because we have to take four molecules of nitrogen along with one molecule of oxygen and heat them all up before combustion takes place and the oxygen is used. I guess I also should say a word about medical grade oxygen and welding grade oxygen. It's all the same oxygen, obtained by taking air down to somewhere around minus 200 F, liquifying it, and then raising the temperature slowly to boil off one of them and further up the temperature scale boiling off the other. But they add back in 5% water for medical grade oxygen since evidently the tissue in the lungs is damaged if oxygen without moisture is breathed for 24 hours straight. But to get medical grade oxygen requires a doctors perscription, and costs much more than welding grade. Those who worship medical doctors might think that this is holy oxygen rather than the lowly stuff welders use to cut steel, but it's the same thing. Obviously welders don't want water in their oxygen and wouldn't buy medical grade even if they could get it. The other grade of oxygen is aviation grade and it is treated to get every last molecule of water out of it so valves don't stick at 50,000 feet while flying you across country and everyone in the plane die because of a sticking valve and no oxygen. Man, that first glass of water and two cups of coffee really got me revved up this morning! So I'd better think about stopping. But before I do a few other things. The nice thing about Korny Kegs is that they have a dip tube that runs to the bottom of the keg so when the oxygen is introduced it bubbles up from the bottom through the water rather than merely pressurizing it from the top. This helps the rate of oxygenation. And it has a safety relief valve that one can pull open to sparge off any other gasses that may be in the water if one doesn't use distilled water. I think that does it, but if you have any specific questions email me at anders@en.com. I'd give my phone number but i don't return long distance calls because I'm more concerned where the next meal is coming from and how to pay the next gas, electric, auto insurance, and internet provider bill than I am in paying long distance telephone companies for the privilege of talking to somebody. And I seldom answer the phone anyway but rather let my answering machine do it because of the million solicitation calls that come every day anymore. anyway Grizz, glad to hear that Fluff didn't tear your leg off. He sounds like he's going to do that to me every time I go up to the house. But as soon as Pastor Ernie opens the door he lies down, rolls over, and demands a belly rub from me in exchange for letting me in. Now that I think about it, I'm probably giving him a lymph therapy massage without even knowing it! Hmmm, maybe it wasn't only oxygenated water that helped his limp.

Excathedra, Disanti is Coke's water product and Aquafina is Pepsi's. Both measure about 15 ppm on my homemade dissolved oxygen meter (so I could be off a few ppm one way or another). Tap water is generally about 8 ppm, so yes, they add oxygen to their water. They don't tell you they do, they just tell you it is not carbonated and leave you to guess what the pssst is when you open the bottle if it is not CO2. My guess is that they use air rather than pure oxygen since one can get 15 ppm water naturally by going to Niagara Falls in the dead of winter, when the water temperature is close to freezing, and drink or bottle it. As the temperature of water rises, it's ability to hold gasses decreases. If you boil water in a pan on the stove you notice that little bubbles form on the bottom of the pan maybe ten degrees before boiling. Those bubbles are any and all gasses that are in the water, which must come off before the water boils. Boiling happens when the vapor pressure of water equals atmospheric pressure- at sea level this is 760 mm Hg, or one atmosphere absolute, or 14.7 psi- same reality, different units of measure. Since the atmosphere, at least since the Flood, is roughly 21% oxygen and 79% nitrogen, river water boiled will have bubbles coming off that are roughly in the ratio of one part oxygen to four parts nitrogen (with the trace gasses like argon and the like being thrown in with nitrogen.) The primary law that governs the behavior of gasses is affectionately known as the puvnert equation: PV=NRT, where P is pressure, V is volume, N is the number of moles (mass of the gass), R is the ideal gas constant, and T is temperature. So if P is atmospheric pressure and stays constant, and the amount of gas stays constant, then an increase in T will necessitate an increase V, or volume. So lets say that a glass sitting on the table has a pound of water in it and is at 32 degrees and has been allowed to absorb all the oxygen and nitrogen in the air above it that it can hold. As the temperature of the water rises to room temperature the gasses dissolved in the water all start screaming that they need more room because puvnert demands it. (dirty rotten puvnert!) So the gasses closest to the surface get kicked out to wander around the room while the rest can now have a little elbow room in the glass of water. Carbonated soda pop works exactly this way. Open it when it is close to freezing and it has a maximum amount of CO2 in it. Let it sit in an open bottle and it goes flat as the temperature goes up to room temperature. This doesn't happen instantaneously, but if you leave a two liter bottle open for an hour or so, it doesn't have near the amount of CO2 in it as it did when first opened. Most of it has escaped to the atmosphere. Oxygen works the same way except it doesn't have a bite to it like CO2 does. I think the "bite" happens because every cell the soda pop comes in contact with says, "Yuck, I'm trying to get rid of carbon dioxide and here you're giving me more of it!" In my opinion the best tasting water in the world is distilled water (to insure there are no gases whatsoever in the water to begin with) that is then cooled and saturated with oxygen at 32 degrees F. Every cell this water comes in contact with loves it and so doesn't make a fuss at all. Your mouth just feels very clean. And if you hold it in your mouth and let it bathe your teeth and gums for a while you'll probably forget to brush your teeth. Oh Sudo will hate that one! When I first started making oxygenated water i didn't have a d.o. meter and so pressurized distilled water with oxygen from my welding torches to a pressure of 80 psi. I knew it was saturated when I tapped it into a two liter coke bottle and it looked like milk as a big fight between oxygen molecules broke out to determine who got to stay in the bottle and who got kicked out. It's neat to watch as it only takes a matter of seconds as the water clears from the bottom up until it is all crystal clear. At that point you may be sure that the oxygen concentration is 75 ppm if the water temperature is 32 F. If the bottle of water is allowed to rise to 50 F with the cap not tightly screwed on, the oxygen concentration goes down to about 40 ppm since puvnert rules! But if the cap is tightly closed, the oxygen concentration will stay at 75 ppm even if the water temperature rises. But the contents will now be under pressure and so you get the characteristic psst when the cap is opened. In the case of Coke and Pepsi, you're likely to have it all over you if you open the cap too fast and the carbonated liquid is too warm! The interesting thing about oxygenated water is how long it keeps in a horses water bucket. It takes days rather than minutes or hours to get depleted. One would expect that with four out of five molecules above the water being nitrogen that in short order the oxygen would drop to one fifth of it's starting concentration. But this doesn't happen and I rather suspect that it has to do with a first in, last out, kind of thing- sort of like a small group of soldiers at the gate of a fort holding off a hoard of enemy trying to get in the gate. Well, I've strayed quite far from your original question but while I'm on the subject there is another law that applies to gasses in liquids. It's called Henry's Law. And Henry's law states that the partial pressure of a particular gas in solution is proportional to it's concentration such that the sum of all the partial pressures will equal the pressure over the liquid. In the case of atmospheric air over water, the partial pressure of nitrogen in the water will be .79 atmospheres and the partial pressure of oxygen will be .21 atmospheres. If the atmospheric air is replaced with 100% oxygen, in time all the nitrogen will come out and the water will contain five times as much oxygen as it had before. This is the principal involved with oxygen masks and those little tubes they stick up people's noses connected to an oxygen bottle. The net result is that the lungs get five times as much oxygen per breath. In fact, in hyperbaric chambers they've found that they can keep people alive that have no hemoglobin function if they can get the plasma oxygen concentration up to 30 ppm. That only takes two atmospheres of pressure in a pressure chamber instead of one- as long as the atmosphere is pure oxygen instead of air. Hope this helps.

Hello again krysilis. Glad to know you know biology. I never had a course in biology until my senior year in college, when I took it as an elective, a delightful interlude from my engineering studies. The only problem I had was that the laboratory never presented nearly as clear a picture as those shown in the text book- and the smell of formaldehide, had I stayed in that field, surely would have pickeled my brain at least as badly as carbon monoxide from the non living things, like car or jet engines, that are the more common domain of mechanical engineers. Anyway, I was unclear in reading, and rereadiung, your post as to whether you drank more water for two days prior to the massage and then experienced darker urine for three days afterward or if you drank the extra water after the massage and concurrently the urine became darker. Or maybe the treatment disabled you and you live off the malpractice settlement. Clarification requested.

Hey Linda, when did I ever talk about chickens in this place? Paw tells me I never had a username and password here until this past weekend- and Waydale was long before my favorite chicken story happened. You wouldn't have been talking to Chuck or his wife lately would you? Ah, lots of interesting stories happen over 61 years but I can't recall a one of them that had to do with chickens until the Chicken Flu romped through Japan and the far east about a year ago and played havoc with the chicken population. Guess I'd better tell the story to see if it's the same as the one you remember. We were getting fairly cranked up on the subject of oxygenated water and horses on the Horsescience web site when a gal from the Philipines who has Thoroughbreds posted that her racers had paid a lot of bills with their winnings- which she attributed to giving them oxygenated water. She then went on to say that a friend who had chickens also gave oxygenated water to her laying hens but it was too expensive there to give to all the chickens. When the Chicken Flu hit all of her chickens died except the laying hens. Pretty dramatic report, I thought, in the midst of all the networks reporting every night on TV about the millions of chickens dying in the Far East. Anyway, a lurker on the Horsescience site (for how long he lurked I don't know) just about ....ed his pants with outrage and burst onto the site with his vindictive. We were all stupid and he was brilliant, the gal from the Philipines was a liar, and he'd match credentials with anyone since he was a school teacher turned pharmicist. Come to think about it, he may have been the guy who's site Satori gave the link to when this thread started. At least he said the same thing, namely that the only thing that would happen if one drank highly oxygenated water is that he or she would burp. Oops, wrong forum for belligerence if you were not the "owner" of the list, who had more than enough belligerance himself to last three lifetimes. So after a day or two of said owner sparing with him and demanding that he put up or shut up, he was banned from the list. (and I was banned too for daring to suggest that sometimes the most vocal adversaries become the best advocates if dealt with graciously. Sadly, the "owner" wasn't into grace, or even God for that matter, he thought science would save us, and so we parted ways.) Anyway Linda, it this the chicken story you remember? I should add the ofshoot of the story in that there's an old Rooster here that showed up a couple, three, years ago. We figure he was a fighting cock and someone dropped him alongside the road for dead. He's a real trip in his own right and sort of adopted the place as his own. It's a fine spread here and the preacher who allows me to use his shop and park my trailer here has a radio talk show. So after Old Rooster nursed himself back to health he mentioned on the radio that there was a rooster here that looked a little down in the mouth because he had no hens to look after. Don't ya know, next day two hens showed up, scared out of their minds at being in a strange place with no chicken coop, no friends, and no fense around them. Then they saw Old Rooster, said "Our hero", made a bee line for him, and the rest is history- except that the watch dog around here, who is rumored to have taken on mountain lions and grizzley bears in defense of the house (a poodle named Fluff) was very surprised to find that Old Rooster no longer ran away from him when he wanted to chase him off but rather went on the attack. Oh what a humbling experience for the Mighty Fluff! Anyway, after hearing about laying hens benifiting from oxygenated water in the Philipines, I gave some to Old Rooster. He went after it like a monkey after a fig. A week or so later I tried giving him the normal well water and he looked at me as if to say, "don't try to pull that stunt on me, I want the good stuff." Since I don't speak chickenese, it's hard to tell if drinking the water for this year has done him any good. But it sure hasn't done him any harm either, nor have I heard him burp! But Fluff, now that's a different story. He's an old dog, another good buddy of mine. But he'd been limping pretty badly on his right hind leg for a couple of years and Ernie had said there really was nothing that could be done, that it was arthritis, he'd been to the vet, etc. So this past summer I was amazed when pastor's fourteen year old son, Matthew, came down to the shop with Fluff on a leash, prancing for all the world like he was three instead of twelve and just dying to get loose so he could delight in chasing chickens for a while. I asked Matthew what they'd done to get rid of the limp and a big smile came across his face as he said, I've been giving him your water! Well, that report is bound to get the dander up in more than one on this site. But I really don't care about the nay-sayers. I do care about good health for animals and humans alike, and Fluff is the most dramatic example of the benificial effect of highly oxygenated water that I've seen to date. Such a simple solution to lots of ailments, and all for little cost and no downside that anybody knows of (I have the "no downside" on authority of a well known MD in general practice, and a well known MD that heads a world renouned hyperbaric medical unit in England, not to mention my own experience after drinking it regularly for a year and a half now, with only positive results, like joint aches gone, better neck mobility, more alertness, etc., all those little things that creap up on all of us as we age, even those, like me, who have enjoyed good health all my life). And all this because Linda mentioned a chicken story!

Hello Krysilis. Glad you picked up on the benifits to the digestive system of oxygen. All those friendly aerobic bacteria that help in the digestion process have no way of getting oxygen from hemoglobin and the circulatory system and so have to get it from water or fruits and veggies as they arrive. While I was on Horsescience it was reported that the plasma oxygen concentration in the portal vein increased 18% in the horses who were given the oxygenated water. Later I learned somewhat about the lymph system and it seems that the lymph system is twice the size of the circulatory system. But it seems that lymph therapy is used and therefore understood much more in Europe than in the USA. Anyway, if a two hundred pound person is sixty percent water, then 120 pounds of that person is water. The normal oxygen concentration in the water fraction of the blood (the plasma) is 3 ppm. Looks like all the rest of the water in the body also averages 3 ppm oxygen. So if we drink a sixteen oz glass of water that is oxygenated to to 75 ppm and add it to the 120 pounds that is 3 ppm, the resulting concentration of the now 121 pounds of water is 3.6 ppm- a 20% increase to the intercellular, extracellular, lymph and blood stream oxygen concentration. That's not much in terms of the amount carried by hemoglobin, but it is huge in the functioning of the body. The effeciency of hemoglobin loading in the lungs depends on the plasma oxygen concentration as well as the quality of the water in the body. And water quality is something everyone in the Cleveland area knows about because it wasn't all that long ago that one could walk on water without doing a miracle if they were walking at the mouth of the Cuyahoga River as it dumped into Lake Erie. The problam of water quality in our bodies is that we don't drink enough well oxygenated water, don't exercise enough or breathe right (the lymph system depends on the diaphram for it's pump) and so the sewage water just stays with the fresh water and our inland lake becomes more and more polluted as the kidneys, liver, etc. start shutting down for lack of work to do, and all sorts of cancers start forming because cells are starved for oxygen for so long that they learn how to morph into critters that don't need oxygen and start chewing up all the cells that are too weak to defend themselves. Anyway, the lymph system starts with Chyle in the small intestine and ends with the water being dumped into the blood stream at the lymph nodes. Maybe you're a medical doctor and know all this, but if not, there is a great site called howstuffworks.com with detailed dissertations on all kinds of things by qualified people. It has a search engine to type in what it is you want to investigate and if you type in liver, kidney, immune system, lungs, heart, circulatory system, etc., it's a college education in whatever area you want to persue- and all for no cost! Bye for now.

Hello Grizz. It has been a while hasn't it! Seems there are some hecklers in the back of the room this morning. They must be horse trainers. One of the twentieth centuries most famous horse trainers, Charles Whittingham, was quoted as saying that horse owners were a lot like mushrooms- one had to keep them in the dark and feed them horse ****. They seem like kindred spirits to him. But in difference to this fine public establishment, perhaps their quips should be handled in hopes they'll come up with something a little more original. Both links they want us to read were read by me a long time ago. The first admits he knows nothing about how oxygen is absorbed in the stomach and intestines. Turns out he doesn't know much about the solubility of gasses in water either, let alone the matter of how fast or how slow various gasses dissolve or escape from water. If he knew Henry's Law he'd immediately know that if one takes out the other gasses (mostly nitrogen and sometimes carbon dioxide if it's well water, plus the pollutants if one lives in the city- like SO2, NOX, CO, and the like) the "solubility" of oxygen (ie. the maximum amount of it that water will hold for any given temperature at atmospheric pressure) becomes five times what it was. Hmmm, that's 75 ppm (or ml per liter- same thing, different units) in the case of distilled water at 32 F, hardly a matter to burp about. At least it's never caused me to burp and I've been ddrinking it now for a year and a half. Turns out that every cell that lines our inside river wants oxygen, beginning at the gums, tongue and roof of the mouth and ending at the exit into the toilet bowl. Suffice it to say that there is no gas there either and so it all gets used up somewhere along the way. Can't say that about soft drinks because the body wants to get rid of carbon dioxide not take it on. Why we've all drank so much Coke and Pepsi for so long is rather bizzare to think about. Why would we want to put into our bodies something it's doing it's best to get rid of? So much for horse trainer #1 and the horse droppings he wants to feed to all us mushrooms. Ah, but the second link is more lethal because the "Amazing Randi" had the ear of the late Pope of the Church of Reason, Karl Sagan. Same horse droppings, just just packaged in a steril container acceptable to the Church of Reason (that has a vested interest in keeping everyone ignorant so they're not laughed out of office). By the way, I have no affiliation with the Penta Water Company, nor own any of their stock. I mention them because their's is the only bottled water I've tested that has more than 15-20 ppm oxygen in it. There may be others that aren't on the grocery shelves around here. Suffice it to say that most grocery shelves have more bottled water on them than soda pop these days. I'll leave it to the hecklers to explain why this should not be and why everyone is dumb for buying the stuff. My guess is that at least some of the products add oxygen to their water (Penta Water does, as does Dissanti and Aquafina- although the latter two don't tell you they've done so, they just say on the label that there is no carbon dioxide added and so leave you to wonder what the pssst is when you unscrew the bottle cap) and the oxygen in the water will move one's health in a positive direction so that lots of folks come back to by more. Anyway Grizz, I think oxygenated water is here to stay. It goes back to at least the late sixties or early seventies when a cancer surgeon in Germany did some tests on his patients using distilled water oxygenated to 50 ppm. It was even given a name, Pakdaman's Water- as if it were any different from any other distilled water oxygenated to 50 ppm. Anyway, he was impressed with the results as every one of his patients in the test group improved and every one in the control group declined as expected. After publishing his findings he wondered why everyone in the world didn't drink oxygenated water and concluded that it was either too difficult to make or too difficult to sell. Only took thirty years or so to prove that it was not difficult to sell (as evidenced by all those grocery shelves) and I assure you it is not difficult to make. Fact is that it is an extention of hyperbaric therapy to the realm of normal atmospheric pressure. Both will increase the plasma oxygen concentration and so help the loading and unloading of hemoglobin as well as myoglobin- the skeletal muscle's and heart muscle's equovalent of hemoglobin in the circulatory system (except myoglobin holds onto only one oxygen molecule rather than four- the first protein to have it's structure delineated- molecular weight 20,000.) Anyway, the nay-sayers are quick to mention hemoglobin as the major mechanism for carrying oxygen from the lungs to each and every cell in the body. But they don't mention that the circulatory system is a closed system and every molecule of oxygen first has to get dissolved in water (in the lungs) before hemoglobin can grab onto it, and then has to get dissolved in water before it can leave the circulatory system and do any good. The human body is 60% water and so we're all like a lake thriving with fish and other organisms as each cell within us lives and moves and does its thing. And if we add the oxygen that is the major part of the water molecule to all the other oxygen in the body, we are made up of 65% oxygen! Gives a whole new meaning to being full of hot air! Hey Paw, the coffee was great this morning but I need some of that oxygenated water to go because all the oxygen is driven out of water in the making of coffee and my brain is telling me it could use more oxygen. Here's looking at ya.

I'm partial to mom and pop restaurants and just had to stop in to have a cup of coffee. You never know when and where an interesting conversation will pop up or who will join in- or how long the discussion will continue. I may need a steak dinner before it's all over. So, until someone sits down at the counter to join in, I'll just talk to the propriator of this fine establishment. I've had an abiding interest in thoroughbred race horses ever since I gave up on people as a subject of interest maybe eight years ago. And so one thing led to another and a couple of years ago I was invited to join a discussion group called horsescience. Horse trainers are a tight lipped group and many of them seem more into training the owners in how to cough up money than they are in training and conditioning race horses to not only win races but have fun doing it- and stay sound in body, mind and spirit while doing so. And so, after years of trying to find books on the subject and even working as a groom for a time on the backside of a race track, I was delighted to finally find someone that dealt with the science of training race horses, using things like heart rate monitors and measuring the times it takes to get to a resting heart rate and the like, to actually know, like every human athletic trainer knows, how far along the curve the athlete had progressed to being ready to perform in a race. Turns out the guy who "owned" the discussion group site, was well hated by the racing establishment, although he had consulted with the rich and famous and their trainers around the world for many years- and made a substantial living doing so. He was not all that different than a guy we used to know and love, and then hate. Only this guy dealt with vets, doctors, trainers, owners, breeders, engineers- (namely me), etc., on the subject of horses rather than the Bible. And so I horsed around with him until I no longer could stand his arrogance just like I Bibled around with V.P. Wierwille in the 60's and early 70's until the same arrogance showed up full blown and hateful. In the mean time I learned lots of things, dismissed lots of things, persued lots of things and did the old weigh, measure, evaluate, ponder, consider, discuss, pray about, routine with never a dull moment. You see, I'm a student at heart, and a well trained engineer to boot, and so to me learning has always been an exciting adventure- it's only nonsense and lies that drive me up a wall. The year or so I spent on horsescience (unfortunately a closed forum- the "owner" fashions himself as the propriator of a five star restaurant rather than the mom and pop variety unfortunately) did yield one abiding matter to persue in detail and so for the past couple of years I've persued it. Like the Bible it's something everyone can buy (or get for free) and many do. But also like the Bible, the study of it can take a lifetime or take no time at all- depending on the penchent of the holder, and what one gets out of such study, or lack thereof, can take an infinate number of directions for good or for ill. So I'll leave you for the time with a jug of home brew oxygenated water to try. Or if you don't trust my home brew you might consider stocking Penta Water, a commercial product, for your customers. It's a California company and so is quite pricy here in the midwest as all those truck drivers, oil companies, wholesalers and retailers have to get paid along the way for shipping and selling water. It cost $1.83 the last time I bought some- for a 500 ml bottle (about 16 oz.). But it contains distilled water oxygenated to 40-50 parts per million oxygen (tap water is lucky to be 8 ppm, and Coke and Pepsi's commercial water products, Disanti and Aquafina, are only about 15 ppm.) Distilled water is, of course, zero- the reason it's called "dead water". But put it under oxygen pressure for a while, with the temperature close to 32 degrees, and even after letting off the pressure it will still have 75 ppm oxygen left in it. You'll be amazed how lively it becomes- and you become after drinking it for a while! About the only humans or animals it won't help are those in perfect health- because you can't get better than perfect! Thanks for the coffee and the conversation. If you like we can discuss it further next time I come in.