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    CFF "family reunion" do you have your laptops with you ?

    in Greasespot Holidays, Holydays and Heydays

    Posted

    Winelover,

    It is good to see your handle again.

    You said;

    he believed that there was no biblically authentic teaching outside of cff. (CES)

    So, ummm what gives?

    It seems to me that it was this right doctrine exclusivity that got us in a pickle in the first place with twi.

    robin

    I agree wholeheartedly Robin. When you think you know it all, the devil owns you're behind. You are going down.

    I always liked John Lynn, but there he needs to be alert to make sure his ego doesn't take over.

    By the way, that was a good catch on your mistake.

    Way II much fun for one man.

    love,

    Bob Hansen

    Greasespot Cafe -- Names we're known by (and icons)

    in My Story

    Posted

    Oh Kit,

    How poignant... sweet and sad at the sametime.

    Sorry to hear about your dad, I hope his remaining years are quite and peacable. As to your brother, I pray he wakes up in time. As we get older, all the more do I see all we really have in this world is family.

    As to Bxx Mx. He was a good man but too much Way hath made him mad.

    You have always been a kind and considerate lady and I cannot imagine not being your friend.

    Way II much fun for one man.

    love,

    Bob Hansen

    CFF "family reunion" do you have your laptops with you ?

    in Greasespot Holidays, Holydays and Heydays

    Posted

    This is written to enlighten you GSers who may be wondering.

    I got involved with CFF about a year or so after they started up. My friends who went to their little rental church and got me involved of course started earlier and gave me the earliest details. My datings may off a bit but the general details are pretty accurate as I know them.

    John Shroyer was born and raised not far from HQ. He was what we of small town rural midwest America would call "of good stock." (That means they were real good folks to you city types.) As I recall, his family was involved in TWI from way back when it was just a few farmers. So he had seen it pretty much from the beginning.

    Around about 1996 or '97, he decided he couldn't take the new oppressive TWI leadership style and walked away from them. He moved to the Tipp City, Ohio area and figured any ministry type work was all in the past.

    Fairly soon, local ex-wayers, recently burned by TWI, heard he was there and started coming to him for answers and healing. though he didn't really want to get involved again he could not turn them away. (There were many walking wounded.)

    Pretty soon they were running a home fellowship and rapidly running out of room. They had to rent a nearby closed church for Sunday meetings and they were quickly filling that up.

    The word was getting out. Friends from Newark, Ohio notified me. I started getting their tapes and started telling others. They were very healing for the brokenhearted. John was teaching in the manner of the early seventies, as it was before all the law and BS set in.

    It was expanding so rapidly John got together with the Bruns brothers(?) and set up CFFM. He and the Bruns were the first trusties. They got some land and built their first fellowship center. By the time it was built the word was out nationwide and internationally.

    Many hurting ex-wayers have gone to them and gotten healed. Me too, i consider them very helpful in my healing.

    As of two or three years ago, these were some of their official policies;

    CFF asks noone for any money, believing

    God will give the increase as per George Mueller

    The tapes they send out are free of charge. I've never paid a cent for mine nor sent them any money for them. I still get them every week.

    (They teach giving, but it is according to as you purpose in your own heart and you give it to whom you want too. No forcing you to give to them.)

    Every fellowship is entirely self sufficient, no lording from above. fellowship monies are for fellowship use as the fellowship desires.

    Their belief system is basicaly PFAL. They are working it to improve it and get rid od the junk as I understand. PFAL is not so bad. I think it is as good as most other christian belief systems out there. It taught me how to work the word of God and make it my own. It Showed me God clearly enough so it was easy to love him.

    Enough for now.

    Way II much fun for one man.

    love,

    Bob Hansen

    CFF "family reunion" do you have your laptops with you ?

    in Greasespot Holidays, Holydays and Heydays

    Posted

    Steve,

    Your name sounds familiar, have we known each other someplace, or were you possibly on staff at HQ? I used to go there a lot, even long before it was mandatory.

    (I have usually lived close to HQ; Ft. Wayne, Columbus, Dee-troit. I was born and raised 45 miles from New Knoxville.)

    Fear not Ginger Tea, I am not mad at Steve. He seemed to me to be ranting and I just wanted him to get more of a focus. (not the Ford)

    (Sorry, never could resist a bad joke.)

    Believe me Steve, I have been thru the pain and bitterness too. I still get angry when I read what the leaders of TWI did to some of our wonderful ladies like Excathedra and Valerie52 and many others.

    They used and abused and lorded the Word of God over all of us. As I understand it, these abusers were a relatively small inner circle within the inner circle. I know many staff did not know of it and I beleive many clergy didn't either. Will give some leadership the benefit of the doubt until 2 or 3 witnesses come forth and say otherwise.

    I will try to answer some of your Questions in another post soon, meanwhile, I am enclosing some CFF Statements off their website for your info:

    CFF Our purpose;

    The Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is a studying, teaching, and fellowship ministry. Our purpose is to study and search the scriptures to understand their accuracy regarding Jesus Christ, who is "the way, the truth, and the life." We want to learn to apply the principles and precepts of God's Word so as to manifest the more than abundant life that Jesus Christ came to make available. Our hearts' desire is to then teach that which we have learned to individuals who are seeking. Our goal is to reach heads of families with God's Word so that they can teach their own families even unto the third generation as we are exhorted to do according to the scriptures.

    II Peter 1: 20,21

    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    The Bible is of no private interpretation, that is why we are exhorted in II Timothy 2:15 to "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is dedicated to being our best in our remembrance and application of these scriptures as we study, teach, and fellowship with the followers of this ministry. As we learn and teach, no dogmas will be imposed on an individual. We make our fellowships available to those who are searching for an accurate knowledge of the truth, who desire to increase the power of God in their lives, and who wish to fellowship with like-minded believers in God's family and household.

    Statement of CFF Beliefs;

    We believe that the scriptures are the Word of God. That the Word of God is the will of God and is supreme, absolute, and final authority for believing and godliness.

    We believe in one God, the creator of the heavens and earth; in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, our lord and savior, whom God raised from the dead; and we believe in the workings of the Holy Spirit.

    We believe that the virgin Mary conceived Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit; that God was in Christ; and that Jesus Christ is the "mediator between God and man" and is the man Christ Jesus'.

    We believe that Adam was created in the image of God, spiritually; that he sinned and thereby brought upon himself immediate spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death later, which is the consequence of sin; and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature.

    We believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, as a representative and substitute for us, and that all who believe that God raised him from the dead are justified and made righteous, born again by the Spirit of God, receiving eternal life on the grounds of His eternal redemption, and thereby are sons of God.

    We believe in the resurrection of the crucified body of our Lord Jesus Christ, his ascension into heaven, and his seating at the right hand of God.

    We believe in the hope of Christ's return and our gathering together.

    We believe in the bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust.

    We believe in the receiving of the fullness of the holy spirit, the power from on high, plus the corresponding nine manifestations of the holy spirit, for all born-again believers.

    We believe it is available to receive all that God promises us in His Word according to our believing faith. We believe we are free in Christ Jesus to receive all that he has accomplished for us by his substitution.

    We believe the early church flourished rapidly because they operated the power of God with great believing, basically in a home and family atmosphere, decently and in order, not by compulsion, but by their freewill giving of their time, talent, and resources, and their dynamic concern and love for God as well as their thankfulness to Him. They had a reverence for and loyalty to God plus a caring respect for one another.

    Then and Now;

    In the first century Church, Christians believed they were saved by grace and received power to operate the nine manifestations of holy spirit. Besides having received internal power these early believers studied the Word of God and acted upon it as the will of God. Those same early Christian believers met in homes, and established a lifestyle of being together, studying, fellowshipping, teaching, and worshipping on a daily basis. Christian Family Fellowship Ministry is primarily a home fellowship ministry. Small group fellowships are made available during the week in various local communities They are usually coordinated by a member of the family in that home The fellowships include a short, positive teaching from the Bible, prayer, singing, and manifestations of the spirit of God. Those participating do so freely of their own volition. There is no obligation to become a member because we have no membership other than the five trustees. Finances for the operation of the ministry rest entirely upon the love, believing, and freewill giving of those who desire to support and be involved as a participant of the Christian Family Fellowship Ministry.

    Our growth;

    Christian Family Fellowship Ministry will continue to reach out to those who desire to want to know more about God's Word and seek to fellowship with a caring group of believers that study, teach, and fellowship in light of our statement of beliefs with a special focus on building up the individual and the Christian family. The home fellowship meetings during the week, (of 10-20). are small enough to give special attention to each believer to help them develop and grow at their individual rates and at the same time meet their spiritual needs by providing spiritual nourishment through the teaching and ministering of God's Word. We will also develop special classes that will aid in their learning of God's Word and practice of its principles and precepts. Also we will be doing special seminars and weekends dealing with various topics that will be helpful in their learning process and progress. We do not claim to know everything there is to know about God and His Word, but that which we do know we are dedicated to teach to others. That is the purpose and heart of the Christian Family Fellowship Ministry.

    Way II much fun for one man.

    love,

    Bob Hansen

    CFF "family reunion" do you have your laptops with you ?

    in Greasespot Holidays, Holydays and Heydays

    Posted

    Long gone,

    Yeah, I can't get into this father in the word crap anymore either. VP pulled a lot of different work together a put it in a nice package that seemed to make a lot of sense. Without it, God only knows where or what I'd be today.

    VP was an editor and nothing more. And then he used that and perverted it. It is written I think in Ezekial to the effect of; you were perfect in all your ways but when you did evil, all your good was forgoten. That's VP.

    Much of PFAL was good and some of it is pure junk. CFF needs to filter it out and give those who want it the good stuff. I believe they are trying to do that. I haven't heard their new classes so I don't know.

    Way II much fun for one man.

    love,

    Bob Hansen

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