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johniam,

As sweet as your intentions may be,

passing the electric kool-aid has already been done.

It leaves a big mess to clean up too.

Yes......,

I'm sick too.

Ya, they may even have to build a second auditorium to hold everyone.

Oh, what the hell, why not just go back to the ol' BRC!

(biblical research center for all you late comers. It held about 250 people, All sunday teaching came from there from the mid sixties til the big auditorium opened.)

Awwwwwwww.... Now wouldn't that be nostalgic!

:dance:

RosyLie,

Just think of the propaganda value of that. People might come back just so they could sit out under the trees on the wierwille lawn in the summer like they did 30 years ago.

Whoooops...

Sorry VP, I didn't mean to sit on your face...!?!

:o :P

waysider,

I think vp had that part right, Rosyli....., er, ...the adversary did go through OldSkools notes and he did have the most miserable of sundays.

OldSkool,

If I remember right, you came in after pfal was laid to rest. Those of us who took it might remember:

There is a segment in pfal where vp talks of walking in the spirit and letting the spirit work within you as you teach, thusly uplifting the fellowship in the glory of the Lord. All are blessed, all are healed, all are rejoicing in the Lord and all needs are met.

And on the other hand......

His example of the standard wimpy ordained clergy was on monday, going to his office, pulling out some paper and starting his next sermon. tuesday, wednesday, thursday, and friday he keeps reworking, rewriting, editing and perfecting his notes for the sunday sermon. On saterday he types it out inj full and perfect form to be read on sunday.

Then vp bends over as if readinf from a page and in a slow deliberately mocking tone says:

"Dearly beloved brethren in the Lord."

Then he stands upright, looks into the camera and says:

"My God, isn't the spirit just working in that poor fellow."

There was a period in the '70's and early '80's where many took his example to heart and did their best to walk in the spirit and bless others as the class and ministry had exhorted us to do. It was the wonderful miraculous goodtimes that many of remember with such fondness.

Well RosyLie, please tell us again how you are the true holder of the twi legacy?

(I know you are snickering, Hinder!) <_<

I see OldSkool has given a definitive answer to the question, and I will back it up with these observations:

For a few years, the Dayton station I get has occassionaly ran the the packaged for TV Sunday services. I haven't looked recently whether they still do it or not. I did watch all or portions of 4 or 5 episodes here and there and I was left with these impressions.

Everything was stiff, dull, and somehow running in an odd slow motion.

The music

The singing

Their shuffling, I cannot call it choreography

The teaching was dullest of all, and very basic, almost pre-pfal.

The smiles were ...creepy.

Not as good as I remembered, they were being genuine the best they could be, but it wasn't right.

The teachings were done from a small wooden podium in front of the closed curtains. The very large dark green curtains and the small podium gave an essence of of dark and gloominess which added to the measured slow pace of the teaching.

The stage area looked the same with the same curtains and props I had seen in the '80's and '90's, except duller, due to age I guess. Either that or they lack people who know how to to light and film a stage properly.

I found it interesting that most of the camera work was done from the balcony area. when they did a wide view shot, you could see some of the audience.

You never saw back more than 3 or 5 rows.

Occasionally, the rows were not filled all the way to the end.

Anyhow, that is what I remember from watching those episodes from 2 to 4 years ago. You can make of it what you want.

:B)

"....in TWI there really is no middle class." Twi has no "middle" ANYTHING. <_<

Ohh..... I don't know about that.

RosyLie has been known to be Dictatorially crass.

And she has been known to be Genteelly crass

On rare occasions as she has transmogrified from the one to the other, she has had a moment of middle crass.

Poor Jesus, just think of all those expectant Nuns he has to deal with!

:blink:

And....

Oh yes!

Happy Birthday, Excie!

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Truly, a thriving member of the cornfield cult.

My guess would be he's a Reverend or higher ranking subject to the Queen.

:P

What struck me as odd was that he'd post his worthless theology degree, like it was supposed to make him more credible??...

A Huckster will always use anything at his disposal to make himself look better or grander. Need I point out our own personal Hucksterberry, and his elevation to divine glory Pikes Peak Cheapskin?

Well...

He is dealing with the type of consumers that will accept a "Dr" that uses an electricians tool as a means of diagnosis ...they might not be the most discerning bunch...

I didn't mean to imply that these folks use an ordinary Volt-Ohm Meter on their victims, that would be too obvious. They style them up some, give them fancy names and surround them with mystical scientific voodoo mumbo-jumnbo to mesmerize you into believing what they want you to believe.

(Sound familiar?)

Here's a picture of an Electro-Dermal Screening Machine;

The meter on the left really doesn't look that different from an analog voltmeter, but I guess hooking it up with a computer adds to the authority of this science. <_<

I got it from a site titled:

Electrodermal Testing Part I: Fooling Patients with a Computerized Magic Eight Ball

Link here

The article starts out:

I have been meaning to write about bogus electrodiagnostic machines for a long time. These devices supposedly diagnose diseases and/or energy imbalances, indicate which remedies will correct the problem(s), and sometimes even treat the imbalances by transmitting a balancing frequency to the patient. I knew they were bogus,...

And continues,

How It Works

The machine is a galvanometer that measures the electrical conductance of the skin: the same principle used for lie detectors, Scientology’s E-meter, and biofeedback devices. The patient typically holds a metal bar in one hand while the operator applies a probe to acupuncture points on the patient’s other hand. The probe completes a circuit, and a tiny electrical current is sent through the circuit. It is very responsive, so a series of readings can be obtained rapidly. Both contacts are kept wet to improve conduction. There is a whining sound that rises or falls according to the level of conductance. There is also an audible beep indicating that a skin conductance measurement has been made and the machine is ready for the next test. The operator looks for a conductance reading of 50. (Higher readings indicate inflammation and lower ones indicate organ stagnation and degeneration.) He can control the readings (either consciously or unconsciously) by varying the amount of pressure and the angle of the probe, bunching or stretching the skin, and by adjusting the amount of moisture on the skin. He asks binary yes/no questions: a reading of 50 denotes a “yes” answer. Conveniently, the only meridians and acupuncture points used are on the hands and feet, so the patient doesn’t have to undress.

The Galvanometer is the basic metering function of the volt-ohm meter. I'm sure Ham could elucidate on it for us.

Yummmm.... coffee enemas.

What a buzz those were.

This guy is a real weiner all right.

The medical instument he relies on, the Electro-Dermal Screening Machine is nothing more than a Volt/Ohm Meter set on ohm function as near as I can tell.

These electrical multitesters can be found in every electricians or handymans toolbox and can be gotten at walmart for as low as $15.00.

The ohm function can read the electrical resistance in the human body, and it will read differently when the probes are placed at different spots on the body.

A look at the medical community shows they believe Electro-Dermal Screening has no value at all in aiding with diagnostic efforts.

From mog to mud.....martindale is rarily whispered on the grounds of twi anymore, I presume. The man is despised.....and erased from twi's mog-history. Will the same thing happen to Rosa-lie when she "fades from twi's landscape?" Is wierwille THE ONLY ONE whose name will remain at the forefront of twi?

Enjoy your time "in the sun" rosalie. In the blink of an eye, it will be over.

And, twi's next leader will be on the prowl.

Ohhhh.... my god!?!

skyrider, what hath you wrought in me? :nono5:

The answer came instantly... as in revelation. I know it will be true;

RosyLie will be laid to rest at the fountain of lying waters,

with a syrupy sweet smile on her face,

on top of VPW in such a manner as he will be eternally kissing her rosy gray rump,

showing her to be in her rightful god given superior position.

As she closed her syrupy sweet eyes for the last time,

she took great delight in knowing the queendom was in good hands.

The queen is dead,

long live the queen!

:B) :P :P

If I understand this correctly, the first cause of death listing on a death certificate is not necessarily the primary cause of death, but, rather, the most immediate cause of death. After that, the underlying causes are listed in chronological order. Thus, "metastatic melanoma of the liver/ocular melanoma" means that the immediate cause of death was cancer that had spread to the liver from an underlying cause, which was cancer of the eye. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

(Thank you Linda)

If you copy - metastatic melanoma of the liver/ocular melanoma - to google search, you will get 91000 results. Liver cancer as a result of eye cancer is apparently a fairly common disease. waysider has it correct too.

......Of course we all know cancer is a devil spirit.

:P

Several years ago before I had to return to exile and isolation in my ancient wilderness home, there was a thread here about cancer being a devil spirit. I added my two cents about a medical report I had just read (from England as I recall,) which said that every adult human on earth develops 250,000 cancer cells every day. Our normal immune system kills and disposes them every day as a part of it's ordinary duties.

Simple logic then shows that every true believer wayfer has to be carrying 250,000 devil spirits around with him every day. :o :blink:

well, whatever came first, i do not believe he was a martyr

More like a satyr, wouldn't you say? :o :P

Wierwille couldn't have cared less what happened to TWI when he was gone.

From '73, I spent a lot of Sundays at HQ, plus I had friends there who I talked with. So I am something of a witness to things happening there.

You need to remember that men of great ego not only want to be known for their greatness, but also to be remembered for it. They want their work to continue on after them, after all, it increases their glory and fame.

In '73 and '74 I remember VP talking about building the corps, the failure of the first, and the improvement of the second. He spoke of basing the corps upon the biblical school of the prophets, as that should help guarantee it's success.

Often, such discussion was accompanied with examples of christian notables such as Martin Luther. After starting a world shaking reformation that altered all christianity, his movement fell apart into several sub groups after his death. (sound familiar?) I was left with the reassuring impression that VP had thought these things through and was determined not make the same mistakes.

His intention was that twi would live on after him and increase his glory. Let us not forget there are any ministries, small and large, in the US today based on (and still glorifing,) the work of one man.

Also,.....

Most of us were around to hear one of VP's final "prophecies" :

"That The Way International would not stand, unless, the Weirwille family stood with it."

( Of course we all now know how that worked out.)

Obviously, it was an attempt to keep the family at the heart of twi.

i wonder why sara would join a cult that worships her dad knowing he did not leave anything to the mom or children

I had the opportunity to spend a couple hours with Sara at a CFFM gathering about 2000 -2002. She was a real sweetheart and a good conversation. We talked of many things and at one point I asked her if she ever came to the Spot. She replied they did look occassionly but not often. It wasn't easy to look at all the negative things we were saying about her dad.

She acknowledged that at the least, some of the things reported must be true and she was embarrassed and ashamed about it. but she also said VP was still her dad and the man who taught her the word. She was still a true believer in what was taught, and at the time, CFFM was dedicated to trying go back to the way the way used to be when it was wonderful.

Yes Virginia, there were earlier on, days when twi appeared to be wonderful.

Of course, this was before Mrs. Weirwilles health problems became known. I remember GS threads from the period showing the family working to get control of Mrs. W. after they put her in the nursing home.

Sara and her siblings grew up with the heritage that all things worked for the good of the way international and all things were subserviant to it. Also I don't think for a minute they ever thought they would not be a part of it, unless they decided not to.

His death certificate lists metastatic melanoma of the liver/ocular melanoma as the cause of his death.

I am not a doctor nor have I ever played one on TV.

However I do know that metastastic refers to advanced cancer moving to other organs or lymph glands leading to the final end stages to death. Also, ocular refers to the eye. So when I read the cert, I understood he had eye cancer which led to liver cancer which killed VP. So the real reason he had his eye taken out 2 to 3 years before hand was the ocular cancer was advancing. They were too late and it spread to the liver.

I checked it out before writing this and the net verified what I said.

Still living near HQ in the '80s, friends on staff said the eye was removed because of constant pain from over exposure to the klieg lamps during the filming of PFAL. He spent at least 40 hours under 3000 watts of intense focused lighting in a two week period. He burned his eye which set up an iritation that set the stage for cancer to start up and take hold.

Anyway with what I do know, that is how I read his death certificate several years ago.

Curious, PFAL his greatest (plagerized)legacy is what killed him as he stroked his ego in the filming of it. :blink:

Still praying.

I don't see a need to apologize - it's what we do, pray for one another.

(((((Ex)))))

(((((exie))))))

What she said.

what a sad topic

Hey now, our brains were laundered, hot air dried, and folded with a german matha-matical exactness and mind bending precision.

How could it not work! :blink: <_<

You darn old unbelievers.....

it's all your fault.

I'm taking my ball and going home. :P

Pretty good, johniam,

My wife and I were also victims of that any two believers bullcrap. We lasted six years.

The idea was supposed to be two believers likeminded on the word.

If you are like minded, committed and harmonized on the scriptures, theoretically, it is possible.

After we were married, it was absolutely amazing how many differences of opinions we had in practice. :(

We didn't know each other that long before we got married. Poor Lori. :P :wub:

Oh, Rosalie is keeping the devil at bay with her believing so way of abundance power classes can be taught.

Some there at HQ may think they are doing gods work,

But RosyLie really is a sly old fox and almost certainly started planing her takeover as soon as she set her foot at the farm.

I don't think for a minute she ever believed it for a minute. Being from the bible belt, she was bred into talking the talk and walking the walk, but her self interest and self preservation, had long since buried any bible she may have believed.

She came, she saw, she started spinning her little webs.

Is that the new BRC?

Wellll... you know how hard it is to maintain those big ol' drafty buildings. :B)

I started my brainwashing in 1973 and had the rare previlege at the time of taking the the film version of the class. Living near HQ, (70 miles,) I spent a lot of Sundays there ane developed friendships there.

Keiiids.... I count it a badge of honor to have known The Loy'd Craig when he was still a nice guy!!!

Between talking with people who were there and some history thing they had about filming the class, I'll try to reiterate what I remember.

(...and I remember someone who talked about it once to a group of us once.)

Somewhere a year or three before 1967, someone suggested VeePee film the class. The reasoning offered was it would take the stress off VP as classes were getting more frequent. After a while he decided to do it and they started to save up the money.

When VP decided to go with it they sought to rent out studios, lights, cameras, get film, and whatever other nesessities they needed for the shoot. The studio was either in Dayton or Cincinnati, I don't remember which. The company which provided the lights and cameras helped set them up and gave them advice. Most of the film crew work was done by folks like Ermal, Howard, and the other HQ regulars of the time.

Because of the expenses of the studio and photo equipment, VP wanted to film the class in two weeks. With all the things that need to be done in such a filming set up as this, two weeks are extraordinary in any book. The photo company objected to the two week sched because of the strong possibility of eye damage.

(Also in 1967 I was in the US Air Force practicing the art and science of being a photo technician.)

In '67, color movie film would have had an ASA rating of 10 to 64. For those who don't know ASA film speeds, that means the film was as slow as a turtle and needed incredible amounts of light to properly expose the the film. For those who have seen the film or video versions of the class, that means the man at the desk was under 5 to 7 500 watt klieg lights for several hours a day for two weeks. Of course these lights generated a lot of heat too.

So, to answer your questions;

1) Were there any lighting personnel experts around to give wierwille any technical advice?

Yes, they warned what could happen and were ignored by VP.

2) Was this filming done on the cheap....with rented furniture, wrong lighting, and overburdened scheduling?

The story I heard was the furnishing were from VP's own orific..., er, office. The lighting was the only thing available at the time and was necessary for the film. The photo company recommended at least a three week sched or even longer. On the cheap, the filming crew were then BOT's, future BOTs, and other HQ staff.

3) Wouldn't God tell "the man of God" HOW to best film this long-awaited class WITHOUT MARTYRDOM OF HIS EYE?

It does seem the Bible is full of such incidents, doesn't it.

VP gambled on doing it cheap and it cost him not only his eyes, but eventually his life

"Once you took your family out from under the twi cage,"

krys

Krys,

Your words reminded me of this concept drawing snuck out of way publications, showing RosyLie's newly revised holy spirit dove descending on a sunday night teaching.

:P

What makes you think you aren't already?

Though God has given us his perfect gift, we are still saddled in this imperfect body with the sin nature with all the weakness and corruption that comes with it.

When we are gathered together in the air, the sin nature will be left behind to trouble us or drag us down no more.

At that time is when we will be what God originally wanted us to be.

thank you again, dab

i want to be all he ever wanted me to be

maybe that's what my longing is for....

excie,

All my life, that is what my longing has been for.

I took a look,

I dunno,

It doesn't feel right.

In my opinion, written on his tombstone........Wierwille, The Plagairist.

<_<

Just what did you think "I wish I were the man I knew to be" meant? <_<