I have no choice but to agree with you on that (since I don't really know what the "law of believing" , as taught by TWI, is).
But, just as a for instance, there is no handy, ready made theory in either biology or psychology that adequately explains the Placebo Effect in clinical trials of pharmaceuticals. Couldn't a Law of Believing, in some form, account for at least some of it?
Placebo effect, that is wild stuff; believing is huge, but I think one should not go down that road. It seems too controlling for me; that stuff seems like I would have to think too much?
Placebo effect, that is wild stuff; believing is huge, but I think one should not go down that road. It seems too controlling for me; that stuff seems like I would have to think too much?
No, you don't have to think anything. Simply knowing that you're being given a treatment which might work enhances the probability that the treatment will work, even if all you were given was a sugar pill.
I know what the blood of Yeshua did for me; but to know about a pill? I think that is kinda of what vp was pushing, to know that you know; I think their is a difference in attitude about to know, it seems like things of this world could give us a false to know, or a true to know; but to trust to know that you know; it leaves to many paths full of pot holes.
It seems like the one liners of the way, were like suger pills in this Placebo effect thing; it seems that the way promoted the suger pill, more then what was written. Like, all you need is PFAL, believing equis receiving; I remember being taught that I needed to take that second class to interrupt tongues, one night in twig, I was call on to interrupt tongues, but I said, I have not taken that class yet. It is a trip, how this suger pill thing can affect ones believing.
There is a principle in the Bible about believing, and it's important. Its prerequisite for other things as well, and what you believe will determine who you are.
Believing isn't a toy, though. It isn't taking God out of a little box and using it however you want to, and then putting it back. There are things God asks us to believe. The people in Hebrews eleven that are given as examples, believed what God asked them to believe. They didn't "wing it" and ask for a bunch of crap that God didn't want for them. I think it's Hebrews ten that tells us that faith (believing) without works is dead, and all his examples are of people that did something about what they believed, making it a lot less mystical. People don't do something in life if they don't believe it's worthwhile. On the other hand, if they believe it's possible, they don't let failures dissuade them from acheiving their goal. They remain patient inside (not frustrated) and continue to work for what they want. Sometimes, it never happens for them. But it's exceedingly rare for them to achieve something they never work for or believe in.
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Sorry, dude, the "law of believing" is bogus. There is nothing Biblical about it. Maybe VP Wierwille watched Pinocchio one too many times. HERE
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That's what i was saying, the crazy things people teach; sometimes it seems they teach that juke to try to control people.
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I have no choice but to agree with you on that (since I don't really know what the "law of believing" , as taught by TWI, is).
But, just as a for instance, there is no handy, ready made theory in either biology or psychology that adequately explains the Placebo Effect in clinical trials of pharmaceuticals. Couldn't a Law of Believing, in some form, account for at least some of it?
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Placebo effect, that is wild stuff; believing is huge, but I think one should not go down that road. It seems too controlling for me; that stuff seems like I would have to think too much?
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No, you don't have to think anything. Simply knowing that you're being given a treatment which might work enhances the probability that the treatment will work, even if all you were given was a sugar pill.
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I know what the blood of Yeshua did for me; but to know about a pill? I think that is kinda of what vp was pushing, to know that you know; I think their is a difference in attitude about to know, it seems like things of this world could give us a false to know, or a true to know; but to trust to know that you know; it leaves to many paths full of pot holes.
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It seems like the one liners of the way, were like suger pills in this Placebo effect thing; it seems that the way promoted the suger pill, more then what was written. Like, all you need is PFAL, believing equis receiving; I remember being taught that I needed to take that second class to interrupt tongues, one night in twig, I was call on to interrupt tongues, but I said, I have not taken that class yet. It is a trip, how this suger pill thing can affect ones believing.
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There is a principle in the Bible about believing, and it's important. Its prerequisite for other things as well, and what you believe will determine who you are.
Believing isn't a toy, though. It isn't taking God out of a little box and using it however you want to, and then putting it back. There are things God asks us to believe. The people in Hebrews eleven that are given as examples, believed what God asked them to believe. They didn't "wing it" and ask for a bunch of crap that God didn't want for them. I think it's Hebrews ten that tells us that faith (believing) without works is dead, and all his examples are of people that did something about what they believed, making it a lot less mystical. People don't do something in life if they don't believe it's worthwhile. On the other hand, if they believe it's possible, they don't let failures dissuade them from acheiving their goal. They remain patient inside (not frustrated) and continue to work for what they want. Sometimes, it never happens for them. But it's exceedingly rare for them to achieve something they never work for or believe in.
Hope that Helps.
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I think it's about being able to do this
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But,... There is no spoon.
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Only if you believe there is no spoon.
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hahahahahaha!!! I'm tempted to do a MoJoJo diatribe
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God first
thanks waysider and Gen-2
what if i can only believe to picture a fork
with love and a holy kiss Roy
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If the fork is in the road, it's a choice that only you can make.
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I just have to jump off topic long enough to say Roy, I am really enjoying your sense of humor. I hope you will show us more of it.
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