And Rosalie seems to think because they don't do public character assassinations anymore (for fear of a lawsuit) everything is alright. It amazes me how it never occurs to these people the person they have sanitized and deified was a first class BUM! You can't possibly have something holy built on Wierwille. The foundation is corrupt. Yet they act as though not mentioning his countless sins and emphasizing his false persona makes everything ok.
Character assassination is carried out via whisper now. Enough information is given about a former follower / leader for the imagination to run wild. The person is considered a copout, quitter, etc. And if that person was way corps then (and mind you I heard Rosie say this with my own two ears) that person's consequences will be that much worse. The beliefs are still held, no matter what lawsuits have come along that someone who leaves is leaving the only oasis of protection that God has built for his people since the first century Church. Nothing but bad will come to someone who left and they are beyond God's protection. And unless they get right and come back they will surely face God's wrath at the judgments.
Let me say that I know since me and my family have left that we are the targets of many hushed libelous conversations across waydom. They can have my way international "character" and do what they will with it. My life is so much better without them that anything they could do pales in comparison to the freedom and deliverance I have attained since leaving.
Let me say that I know since me and my family have left that we are the targets of many hushed libelous conversations across waydom. They can have my way international "character" and do what they will with it. My life is so much better without them that anything they could do pales in comparison to the freedom and deliverance I have attained since leaving.
Twi's gossipers and busy-bodies will only whisper about you and your family until the NEXT TARGET comes along.
Believe me, you will drop off the radar when the NEXT dissenter is then targeted.
Although twi never had much of a perch to stand on......today, its far worse. Now, they don't even attempt to
project christian values or ethics. Today, twi is geared to managing the corporate investments and assets.
The wierwille cash cow is sacred....but they don't like you kicking over a bucket of milk either.
OldSkool, my husband and I ALMOST stayed with twi because we knew you were a good person and were close to the top. We thought if anyone could change the corruption in twi it could be you and Mrs OldSkool. We decided to leave anyway, but thought that there might be a glimmer of hope since you guys were still there.
When I found you here on GSC, I knew it was all over for twi - they were irredeemable.
OldSkool, my husband and I ALMOST stayed with twi because we knew you were a good person and were close to the top. We thought if anyone could change the corruption in twi it could be you and Mrs OldSkool. We decided to leave anyway, but thought that there might be a glimmer of hope since you guys were still there.
When I found you here on GSC, I knew it was all over for twi - they were irredeemable.
Thanks, I really appreciate the compliments. I tried to do all I could to be upright before God while working for them. All too often I was at a crossroads - obey Rosalie or obey God. Trying to shield people in my area from Rosalie eventually placed me in her cross-hairs and I was salty enough by that time that I welcomed the fight.
I never really tried to change how they did things. I simply changed things in my sphere of influence and hoped it would help others. My efforts were in vain and I was deluded to think I could change anything because eventually it will get stamped out from the top down.
I am glad you guys left and especially that you did not stay on my account, though I really appreciate the sentiment. It means a lot to me since sorting out the many years I was with them leaves me with an empty bag at times.
Twi cannot be changed - for those of you who might be reading this who are still in, know this: It's foundation is rotten, it's fruit is rotten... It is an old wine skin.
God is functioning and moving and living (and His Word, too) OUTSIDE of the walls twi has erected to keep you inside.
Twi is incapable of becoming godly. They buy and sell men as merchandise. Don't waste your life trying to change them. Leave, and smell the sweet air of freedom where you can really live life for God without the constant influence and interference of the Pharisees at the top.
OldSkool, you removed all doubt of this when I found your posts here. The current administration is as corrupt if not more corrupt than the beginning of twi.
In January 1999, thirteen years ago.......P@ul and F#rn All#n were sent packing from hq staff positions. P@ul was extremely talented in computers/websites and was working alongside then-Sec/Treasurer John Reyn0lds to setup twi's website. Well, that was.....UNTIL P@ul found out that sexual predator martinfail's habits that involved Paul's wife. Late one evening, when Paul uncovered this....he demanded to meet with martindale face-to-face.
In a heated confrontation in martindale's office, with reynolds, rivenbark AND l!nder (brandishing a gun).....Paul DEMANDED martindale's resignation!! DEMANDED IT! Yet, the weasels at the trustee level stood by their man, martindale. And, of course, L!nder "escorted" Paul back to Founders Hall where husband/wife were to ordered to pack their bags, etc. L!nder would NOT allow them to speak to anyone, nor allow any staffer to talk to them.
Character assassinations were dished out to the lunchtime staffers. Same spiel, same tactics......and braindead staffers eat the poison with nary a question to ponder. The "never murmur against the mog" doctrine has been deeply rooted since pfal.
BUT THIS TIME........twi messed with the wrong guy! He had a voice in his "vest pocket" that twi could never have imagined. Paul was ready, willing and determined to show the world the despicable inner-world of TWI. And, twi will never recover from it.
The result of this confrontation? ....... Waydale
The result of two years of Waydale? .....GreaseSpot Cafe
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And Rosalie seems to think because they don't do public character assassinations anymore (for fear of a lawsuit) everything is alright. It amazes me how it never occurs to these people the person they have sanitized and deified was a first class BUM! You can't possibly have something holy built on Wierwille. The foundation is corrupt. Yet they act as though not mentioning his countless sins and emphasizing his false persona makes everything ok.
Character assassination is carried out via whisper now. Enough information is given about a former follower / leader for the imagination to run wild. The person is considered a copout, quitter, etc. And if that person was way corps then (and mind you I heard Rosie say this with my own two ears) that person's consequences will be that much worse. The beliefs are still held, no matter what lawsuits have come along that someone who leaves is leaving the only oasis of protection that God has built for his people since the first century Church. Nothing but bad will come to someone who left and they are beyond God's protection. And unless they get right and come back they will surely face God's wrath at the judgments.
Let me say that I know since me and my family have left that we are the targets of many hushed libelous conversations across waydom. They can have my way international "character" and do what they will with it. My life is so much better without them that anything they could do pales in comparison to the freedom and deliverance I have attained since leaving.
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Twi's gossipers and busy-bodies will only whisper about you and your family until the NEXT TARGET comes along.
Believe me, you will drop off the radar when the NEXT dissenter is then targeted.
Although twi never had much of a perch to stand on......today, its far worse. Now, they don't even attempt to
project christian values or ethics. Today, twi is geared to managing the corporate investments and assets.
The wierwille cash cow is sacred....but they don't like you kicking over a bucket of milk either.
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OldSkool, my husband and I ALMOST stayed with twi because we knew you were a good person and were close to the top. We thought if anyone could change the corruption in twi it could be you and Mrs OldSkool. We decided to leave anyway, but thought that there might be a glimmer of hope since you guys were still there.
When I found you here on GSC, I knew it was all over for twi - they were irredeemable.
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Thanks, I really appreciate the compliments. I tried to do all I could to be upright before God while working for them. All too often I was at a crossroads - obey Rosalie or obey God. Trying to shield people in my area from Rosalie eventually placed me in her cross-hairs and I was salty enough by that time that I welcomed the fight.
I never really tried to change how they did things. I simply changed things in my sphere of influence and hoped it would help others. My efforts were in vain and I was deluded to think I could change anything because eventually it will get stamped out from the top down.
I am glad you guys left and especially that you did not stay on my account, though I really appreciate the sentiment. It means a lot to me since sorting out the many years I was with them leaves me with an empty bag at times.
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Twi cannot be changed - for those of you who might be reading this who are still in, know this: It's foundation is rotten, it's fruit is rotten... It is an old wine skin.
God is functioning and moving and living (and His Word, too) OUTSIDE of the walls twi has erected to keep you inside.
Twi is incapable of becoming godly. They buy and sell men as merchandise. Don't waste your life trying to change them. Leave, and smell the sweet air of freedom where you can really live life for God without the constant influence and interference of the Pharisees at the top.
OldSkool, you removed all doubt of this when I found your posts here. The current administration is as corrupt if not more corrupt than the beginning of twi.
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In January 1999, thirteen years ago.......P@ul and F#rn All#n were sent packing from hq staff positions. P@ul was extremely talented in computers/websites and was working alongside then-Sec/Treasurer John Reyn0lds to setup twi's website. Well, that was.....UNTIL P@ul found out that sexual predator martinfail's habits that involved Paul's wife. Late one evening, when Paul uncovered this....he demanded to meet with martindale face-to-face.
In a heated confrontation in martindale's office, with reynolds, rivenbark AND l!nder (brandishing a gun).....Paul DEMANDED martindale's resignation!! DEMANDED IT! Yet, the weasels at the trustee level stood by their man, martindale. And, of course, L!nder "escorted" Paul back to Founders Hall where husband/wife were to ordered to pack their bags, etc. L!nder would NOT allow them to speak to anyone, nor allow any staffer to talk to them.
Character assassinations were dished out to the lunchtime staffers. Same spiel, same tactics......and braindead staffers eat the poison with nary a question to ponder. The "never murmur against the mog" doctrine has been deeply rooted since pfal.
BUT THIS TIME........twi messed with the wrong guy! He had a voice in his "vest pocket" that twi could never have imagined. Paul was ready, willing and determined to show the world the despicable inner-world of TWI. And, twi will never recover from it.
The result of this confrontation? ....... Waydale
The result of two years of Waydale? .....GreaseSpot Cafe
If this is greasespot-living, THANK GOD I LEFT.
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For those of you who missed the activity of Waydale........imo, it was ABSOLUTELY ELECTRIC.
Some of us had been posting on trancenet before Waydale rocketed to the forefront. Day after day, night after night....
the fireworks of conversation that many had held in for decades came forth EXPLODING INTO THE NIGHT SKY. For me, it was
hard to even go to bed, because so much conversation kept buzzing thru the night.
Lots of corps grads who had left with the mass exodus in 1987 started telling their experiences. Some of the heavy-hitters
talked about board meetings and insider stuff. International corps came onboard and gave their experiences of the Gartmore
Inrez corps program that Geer had run....yeah, the bully antics and all. Splinter groups selling their jingle.
Amazing people with deep, intellectual knowledge added prudence and wit on every turn. Advanced class grads who had been
suppressed by corps leadership for years deservedly lashed out at corps "nazis".....
Thousands of threads!!!!
P@ul and F#rn All#n, wherever you are.......a warm-hearted toast in your honor
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