Lets see... what other teachings does anybody remember that directly contradicted the bible???
Oh yeah...how about where we were shown that we are no longer under the old testament law...but yet if we didn`t tuthe 10 % God wouldn`t spit in our direction... or that satan would destroy our families because we were leaving open doors..
Bible says not by works of righteousness...way ministry teaches this but say yeah but ya still hafta witness ... tithe... take classes...show commitment by participation in programs ... obey every directive of leadership to avoid being destroyed by satan....
Bible teaches no adultry or fornication...but way ministry says it is ok...necessary because all things are lawfull to them which are in Christ....all parts of the body are equal...like a finger in the ear...yada yada...
Seems like with every bit of the bible (which WAS good) ...that was taught to us... the ministry used that as a springboard into one of their wierd doctrines... we were disarmed by the good bible that was beneficial ... then we accepted teachings that were contrary to bibles intentions as good as well...
We WERE taught some bible.... however I begin to see that it was that bible...that very respect that was inspired in us for God`s *word* ...is what lent it`s legitimacy to twi....it is what inspired us...fired us up for God....and then once we were disarmed...assuming that we were part of a wholesom Godly inspired group..... we became vulnerable to indoctrination in the teachings and practices that were decidedly UN biblical...
It wasn`t the bible or God that was bad...or who dissapointed me or used me..let me down...it wasn`t even God`s representatives!!
It`s ok now.. I see it...can actually stop being mad at God...stop mistrusting the bible......way cool
Lock box - appropriate if you are a leader who doesn't want something revealed, but if someone in your fellowship did something you consider "off the word" - you'd better tell!
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Ummm Hope do you remember just exactly what was the biblical grounds for the lock box teaching?
oh OH ....... that reminds me of another one...What about ...the bible teaches somewhere to take believers to other believers to be judged...not to go to outside courts....and THAT morphed into victims not being allowed to report crimes perpetrated by twi members....*lest the ministry be blamed*
ok...ok bible says.....Every woman in the kingdome belonged to the king....twi teaches the mogs are the modern day kings and leaders...therefor....they were entitled...justified in taking any woman that struck their fancy...married or not.
Good thread. I think the very verses that vp used to "prove" that every woman belonged to the king, actually, the way I read it, proves just the opposite. It's the section on David and Bathsheba. Why, if David had rights to every woman, did he go so far as to murder her husband so he (Uriah) and everyone else wouldn't find out? Why didn't he just take him aside and explain the situation if it was all right?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
WB
"[if] there were none who were discontented with what they have, the world would never reach for anything better." Florence Nightingale
The Bible teaches "the workman is worthy of his hire" - - but they paid those who worked for them so little! Surely it was not what they were worth for a someatimes 60 hour workweek!
The bible says .... love one another...twi redefined what love meant...
They would say *love* meant *confronting someone....that it was necessary to sit a person down in a room and have leaders scream manically at you...they only did it because they *loved* you dontcha know?...and then with tail tucked between our legs....we humbly thanked them for caring enough to set us back on the right track.
the Bible says "thou shalt not kills" twi teaches abortion is not killing and even encourages it for "practical reasons". (Not to start a pro-life vs pro-choice debate, just an observation on how they pick and choose scriptures only that support what they want you to believe)
The Bible says to give to the NECESSITY OF THE SAINTS....twi says to "fully communincate with he who teaches you in the Word" aka the ministry that taught you the word
The Bible says to take care of orphans and widows....twi says "we can't because of the laws"
The Bible says let your word be yeah and amen....twi says "we can't because of the laws"
The Bible says "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doeth it profit?" James 2:15-16
twi says, people don't need a hand out they need the word. They need our classes. Don't give them money or things; those should go to "the ministry that taught yo uthw word"
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Lets see... what other teachings does anybody remember that directly contradicted the bible???
Oh yeah...how about where we were shown that we are no longer under the old testament law...but yet if we didn`t tuthe 10 % God wouldn`t spit in our direction... or that satan would destroy our families because we were leaving open doors..
Bible says not by works of righteousness...way ministry teaches this but say yeah but ya still hafta witness ... tithe... take classes...show commitment by participation in programs ... obey every directive of leadership to avoid being destroyed by satan....
Bible teaches no adultry or fornication...but way ministry says it is ok...necessary because all things are lawfull to them which are in Christ....all parts of the body are equal...like a finger in the ear...yada yada...
Seems like with every bit of the bible (which WAS good) ...that was taught to us... the ministry used that as a springboard into one of their wierd doctrines... we were disarmed by the good bible that was beneficial ... then we accepted teachings that were contrary to bibles intentions as good as well...
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Umm Bible says God will never leave us or forsake us...way ministry teaches...that he will
If we leave the household that taught us the word....
If we don`t tithe enough...God can`t take care of us...
If we have fear ....God won`t take care of us...
If we don`t obey leadership...God won`t speak to us...
When one gets married...the wife no longer has access to God....MUST go through husband...
It`s sounds like some kind of board game...*the bible says .. the ministry says*
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I guess that I am finaly *getting it*
We WERE taught some bible.... however I begin to see that it was that bible...that very respect that was inspired in us for God`s *word* ...is what lent it`s legitimacy to twi....it is what inspired us...fired us up for God....and then once we were disarmed...assuming that we were part of a wholesom Godly inspired group..... we became vulnerable to indoctrination in the teachings and practices that were decidedly UN biblical...
It wasn`t the bible or God that was bad...or who dissapointed me or used me..let me down...it wasn`t even God`s representatives!!
It`s ok now.. I see it...can actually stop being mad at God...stop mistrusting the bible......way cool
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Oh yeah...another situation...God said love your neighbor....twi said only if they are in good standing in the household...
I know families who are STILL not allowed contact...bothers and sisters...parents and children/grandchildren...
One lady I know has grandchildren she has never seen because she was marked and avoided in twi.
How does THAT fit in with the bibles command to honor thy father and mother??
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Bible says...children are a blessing from the lord...twi says just as long as they don`t interfere with your commitment to serve in twi.
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Lock box - appropriate if you are a leader who doesn't want something revealed, but if someone in your fellowship did something you consider "off the word" - you'd better tell!
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Ummm Hope do you remember just exactly what was the biblical grounds for the lock box teaching?
oh OH ....... that reminds me of another one...What about ...the bible teaches somewhere to take believers to other believers to be judged...not to go to outside courts....and THAT morphed into victims not being allowed to report crimes perpetrated by twi members....*lest the ministry be blamed*
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ok...ok bible says.....Every woman in the kingdome belonged to the king....twi teaches the mogs are the modern day kings and leaders...therefor....they were entitled...justified in taking any woman that struck their fancy...married or not.
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Hello,
Good thread. I think the very verses that vp used to "prove" that every woman belonged to the king, actually, the way I read it, proves just the opposite. It's the section on David and Bathsheba. Why, if David had rights to every woman, did he go so far as to murder her husband so he (Uriah) and everyone else wouldn't find out? Why didn't he just take him aside and explain the situation if it was all right?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
WB
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The Bible teaches "the workman is worthy of his hire" - - but they paid those who worked for them so little! Surely it was not what they were worth for a someatimes 60 hour workweek!
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KRYSSIE !!!! how are you, dearest ? mwahs
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The bible says .... love one another...twi redefined what love meant...
They would say *love* meant *confronting someone....that it was necessary to sit a person down in a room and have leaders scream manically at you...they only did it because they *loved* you dontcha know?...and then with tail tucked between our legs....we humbly thanked them for caring enough to set us back on the right track.
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the Bible says "thou shalt not kills" twi teaches abortion is not killing and even encourages it for "practical reasons". (Not to start a pro-life vs pro-choice debate, just an observation on how they pick and choose scriptures only that support what they want you to believe)
The Bible says to give to the NECESSITY OF THE SAINTS....twi says to "fully communincate with he who teaches you in the Word" aka the ministry that taught you the word
The Bible says to take care of orphans and widows....twi says "we can't because of the laws"
The Bible says let your word be yeah and amen....twi says "we can't because of the laws"
The Bible says "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doeth it profit?" James 2:15-16
twi says, people don't need a hand out they need the word. They need our classes. Don't give them money or things; those should go to "the ministry that taught yo uthw word"
much more....not enough time.
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