Edi

I tried Proactive too and it didn't work for me. Then I found Murad Acne Treatment. It works better than Proactive because it treats several different kinds of acne problems. I've used it and also bought it for my grandson - it broke my heart that he had such bad acne too so I know how you feel. He now has the most beautiful (handsome) complexion now. I'd be totally surprised if it didn't help your son. It's very reasonably priced too. Just google it. Beauty Brands carries the products too.

My son bought an awesome motorcycle on e-bay 2 years ago. He flew out and drove it home - long trip but so worth the money he said. E-bay is awesme.

I got in the ministry in the early 70's when I was in my early 20's. That time period was in the midst of the sexual and drug revolution. When I got witnessed to I picked up the bible for the first time in my life and learned that God loved me. That very same night I turned away from my previous lifestyle and have never looked back. I can't imagine what would have happened to me if I hadn't gotten involved in the ministry at that time in my life. The ministry in Kansas, in the beginning, was really wonderful. I received a new family, acceptance, understanding, love, encouragement, discipline, friendship, a home to live in (The Way Home of Kansas), among other things. I gained a lot in the ministry. Back then it was a pretty unique time. It didn't get much better than what I had in the beginning and it was better than what I had with my biological family and worldly friends. I don't regret getting in the ministry, going into the Way Corps or leaving the ministry when I did. Those 7 years in my life was a season, served a purpose and was a stepping stone in my life.

Marketing techniques???? I'd say pretty good. I got in TWI in the late 60's and their marketing techniques were so good it got me out of good drugs and good sex. Oh, uh, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <_< :huh:

Uh, this looks like a Roman Catholic bishop/cardinal/pope squirrel - I wonder how much that mitre, crown like thingie cost!! That would look cute on you Mr. Hammroni

I'll just close with this verse for you to think on further - something we should all strive for. Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have a conscience void of offence toward God and toward man. You brought up some good points WTH but this last one I really liked... to have a conscience void of offence toward God and toward man. I fall short and miss the mark on just about everything. I don't want to, don't mean to, don't intend to but I do. BUT I try every day to do better. In Ephesians it says that we are growing up in Him in love in all things. That is definately a journey - a lifetime journey. My hubby and I were on a day trip today and we saw a bumper sticker that hit it home to us, "I'll be perfect when I get that walking on water thing down". Growing is acceptable to me but abuse is not. Abuse is hurtful and brings death to the spirit of a person and belongs under, "Thou shalt not kill". There are many ways to "kill" - it's not always in the flesh, although it may affect the flesh if there is abuse long enough. If I strive to have a conscience void of offending God and my brothers and sisters then I'm growing. It's all I can do. But I do understand people being hurt, used and abused so much that they are bitter, cynical and guarded. We hold the things that protect us until we don't need them anymore. Been there, done that, worn the T-shirt and always try to take the thing off. That is a process though - in some areas a LONG process and I do better in some than others. Some "dragons" have been slain, some are still active, some sleep and some wait in the wings for an opening to be unleashed. If I looked at all the things I do wrong, all the areas that need growing up, all the areas that need to be healed, all the areas that I weep about in private I would hate myself and everyone else. Instead I ask what can I do today, please show them to me and how to do it. And hope it's enough to live in as much peace as I can with myself and with others. It seems I always come up short though but I keep trying. I like to think most people do this too. It gives me hope - for myself and for others.

It took me a long time not to feel guilty because I wasn't setting the world on fire and wasn't the next apostle Paul and couldn't live up to all the Way Corps Principles and couldn't witness every day and get a cazillion people and $ into the ministry and couldn't heal the sick and raise people from the dead and work in the fields at the Kipp farm from sunup to sundown and fix dinner for 6 people living in the house and do everybody's laundry and................. boy, i was exhausted physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually - I had to go to the desert to heal, I was pretty burned out - hmmmmm...... the spaghetti burned!!!!!!!!!! The only thing I didn't throw out was God, Jesus Christ and the holy spirit - everything else HAD to go for a while. Cleaning off each strand of the spaghetti was a really good analogy! I think "desert time" is where God gets us alone and then tells and teaches us what HE wants us to be and do. Rest time, training time, down time. I was thankful when I finally got to the desert. Now I go there willingly when I need it - a rest!

First of all I don't know either Michael or Jamie so I'm not biased. I've been following this whole thing from the beginning and have tried to keep an open mind until the investigation was conducted and the findings were posted. This is a synopsis of what I understood to have happened from the information released to the public: According to the investigation Michael was in the wrong because he never turned in receipts and there WERE unaccounted for funds. Seems to me that any adult with any kind of sense at all would know you are supposed to hand in receipts for monies spent and checks that were written and given to him when he was at conferences and teachings. It's not hard to figure out "intent" here!! Another person here on the boards said something about the people who worked for Michael. Actually it was Jamie who initially bankrolled the whole thing and did so for a very long time. A corporation was formed and they were all employees of the Corporation with Jamie being the administrator. Jamie was/is responsible for and stuck with all the unpaid bills - not Michael. "A Rood Awakening" could not have functioned without Michael as the teacher or Jamie as the financial backer/administrator. I personally don't think the panel of men had it in for Michael OR Jamie. I think they were unbiased going into it and strictly looked at the facts. Michael is the one who accused Jamie and staff of stealing money but when it was all said and done it was Michael that came up short, not the rest of the staff. All the monies and receipts were accounted for except for Michael's. According to the the panel of men who did the investigation (Beit Din) Jamie was not in the wrong and didn't do anything illegal. They did say Jamie should have held Michael accountable and did not. But, according to them it was Michael who was in the wrong. My personal judgment doesn't have anything to do with the money. It has to do with the way Michael treated the staff. To me that was what was more dispicable!!! Even if he did have something against Jamie personally (which doesn't condone his incompetency money wise) he sure didn't treat the others people right. Kinda Anti-Torah (in Micahel's language)!! The ONLY thing that is saving Michael's butt IS Jamie not wanting to take him to court - not because he is afraid of losing but because it says in scripture not to take it to an outside court. I think if it did go that far that Michael could be brought up on charges. What better way to hide things - don't turn in receipts or checks intended for the Corp. Intentional or not - can't and won't get the same results - unaccounted for monies! The accounting books were given to an unbiased outside accountant and it was deemed that they would hold up in a court of law. According to the investigation Michael would not. And why did Michael take thousands of dollars worth of checks made out to "A Rood Awakening" (not his personal monies but the Corporations) and return them to the people who sent them and requested that they remake the checks out to him and send them back to him. Thereby leaving Jamie and staff w/o funds to pay bills or get their paychecks? We know Michael knew they all had bills to pay and families to support!! BUT then at the same time he took checks that were sent to the Corporation but made out in his name and cashed them and kept the money. How in the world does he justify his actions? This kind of behavior goes against everything Michael supposedly believes in and teaches. Talk about NOT loving your brothers and sisters!!! Words are cheap - action is everything. It sure doesn't make Michael look pretty! I don't take Michael's OR Jamie's word for anything BUT I do trust the impartial panel of men who conducted the investigation and their findings. In the beginning both Michael and Jamie agreed to abide by the panels findings. Michael was more than willing to go along with them until they judged against him - then he dropped them like a hot potato! Jamie went along with all their requests and instructions, Michael did not. And all this happened because of one man's ego and refusal to turn in receipts and checks and another man's misplaced trust and refusal to hold Michael accountable. It is very sad that this happened. I THINK this is the gist of what happened! If I misunderstood information I received and said anything that is not accurate I apologize.

Twinky, have a nice day. Edi

That was good Mr. Ham......

(((((Nero))))) Your mom sure is lucky (and blessed) to have you as a son. You seem wise and have lots of love in your heart. I'm glad you are able to be there for your mom, especially at this time with your dad being sick. I will be praying for all of you. God bless, Edi

Me too Rascal

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