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Interesting comment, why would there be any call to "be afraid", let alone think there might be "lumps" for posting in the "wrong" forum? Is there soemwhere in the bible where they are called gift ministries? Are you quoting Wierwille, or is this your own conclusion? Where is this definition given in the bible? I always thought that this phrase was Wierwille's way of getting people to view him as an apostle, since he certainly wasn't bringing any "new light"

My personal take on the entire concept and practice of "ordination" in twit is that it was manufactured by Vic. It is completely his interpretation, or rather misinterpretation, of yet more Pauline doctrine. Twit is a Pauline church, not a Christian church IMO. "We take the place of the ABSENT CHRIST" was the definition of a SOGWAP......remember that acronym? Paul is the head of vic's "ministry" not Jesus Christ. Vic assumed the place of his fantasy of what Paul must have been like and that became the model of the mog. Then, Vic pounded away at the ultradispensationalist teaching that ONLY the Pauline Epistles and a few others (like Peter, John) are "god breathed" TO the church. EVERYTHING in their version of the bible is either TO Israel, The Gentiles, or FOR our learning. Most of the splinters teach exactly the same thing, and thus I say they are all Pauline ministries and not Christian per se. ALL the definitions of the so-called (by vic) "5 gift ministries" allegedly listed in Ephesians are made up by vic! Please show me any place in the bible where these "definitions" are given. Show me any place in the bible where anything at all resembling twit's ordination rituals are presented as vic performed them. No one can do so. The entirety of vic's "man of gawd" fantasy is based on vic's own perverted sociopathic narcissism and his "revelatory understanding" of what Paul and gawd really meant is as good as Paul's revelation in the first century. It's all delusional folks. There is no shred of biblical or Godly "accuracy and integrity". It is simply make believe. So, I place absolute no credence, biblical, spiritual, Christian, Pauline or otherwise in ANYTHING vic taught or practiced with his so called ordinations. I don't presume to have ANY "gift ministries" or "helps and governments" to or for any church. I am not a dispensationalist in my overall view of the bible, so I reject the emphatic elevation of the Pauline Epistles above the rest of scripture. I do not think Jesus Christ, nor the Heavenly Father had any more to do with twi ordinations than other ordinations in any denominations or independent churches, and really, IMO, far less. We're there actual Christian ministers faux ordained by Vic during the course of his 40 year charade? Yes! I agree with Sunesis re: Steve Heefner, Jimmy Doop, and Donnie Fugit. They had Christ goini' on and it had absolutely nothing to do with vic or his ordination hooey. It had everything to do with God and Christ and Holy Spirit......the real deal. As for the rest of us? Who knows. It became more like a fraternity door prize than anything meaningful. Probably it was always that way, I just didn't know it. I am a Christian. No more and no less than any other Christian. I am no one special in my mind. I'm an RN, not a clergyman. I don't believe or accept one thing as truth regarding vic'n'twit's interpretation or practice of what they called "ordination to the Christian ministry". It's as real as Harry Potter to me.