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Dooreleven: feel free to email at abelson800@aol.com- No One was as annoyingly perky as myself, of that I am most certain!

I for one would prefer Bush...but my opinion, of course!

Oops, like all kinds of crazy flipped backwards and saw post By Imbus- don't know you, may never know you-but indeed sorry to hear it happened to you- Oldiesman, you can dish out some hurtful stuff. I am beginning to admire some of you for your defense of Imbus. This is such an "unreal" world these posts and etc. I feel grateful that with time my wounds are less hurtful, and Imbus I wish the same for you. Whats to be frightened of? Does anyone know where you live or who you are? Then Cool! I figure, if my first husband couldn't kill me, then, hey what's to worry? He could swing and quote scripture! amazing feat, men normally can't multi-task like that!

Have read this, apologize for skipping a few pages so I may be off topic-but then again perhaps not. The public teachings of course Never said "It's OK to be an abusive idiot, yell scream pressure people for sex etc etc" You'll not find it anywhere (poor ex-10 going through boxes in your garage!!) I have images of people digging through the dusty boxes. I did however hear from my fiance, and from other corps that whole "get your needs met" Romans psuedo logic, and the phrases about being able to "handle it". I guess it truly does depend on where, when, who you where. I felt the need to apologize for "moving the word with my skirt" and did do so...for I knew who and how I'd hurt people. I didn't have the chance to "move up the ladder" and hurt anyone further, for that I am glad. I wish I'd been on a darn submarine! I do know women who where grieviously hurt, one who had an absolute breakdown over some hot pants Rev. He did, however drive her to the clinic, which was nice of him. I don't wonder that he didn't ask his wife to do it. (a wee bit of bitterness creeps in here, she was a lovely girl and so out of her depth) This was yet another example of "waybrain" logic that seeped out of where ever (ok hq and leadership-) and got aome people missed others. My opinion. I was saddened to hear the stories from twi#2 version, as I skated past that, by months, but was in the loop enough to hear some of it. The lcm after he got comfortable w/power-well oh my goodness what an absolute mess. I guess it does help to rant and rave and vent and try to have discussions on gs cafe here, to try and reconnect the bond, and we're moved by a common "whoops what did we do?" internal questioning, and some serious loneliness. I do have moments of missing the fellowship...but am amazed at the utter seriousness with which some of this is taken. Not to belittle, honestly...maybe I just don't get it. I seem to think that everyone is goodhearted to some degree. One just has to discern the motives. However thanks to this I now know what it is to "flame" someone!

MrStrange: Work in Arlington, Live in Alvarado. I manage a large (what else?) flower shop,and if you ever send flowers instead of IMing your spouse...chances are good I may have made them! ex10-If I knew how I'd private topic you...I didn't know the Yates where divorced...but then I left to become WC spouse about that moment. If you knew things where a mess, then you know my former branch coordinator!! I may try the private topic thing, how hard can it be?

Ex-10...you where in MI at one point then Texas? I made the same trip only by way of N. Carolina, Colorado etc etc...I have racked my brain to try and have recall of MI, and I was such an active perky pain in the ...well I know I was most likey annoying at that point, but was at all functions,Anyone ever hear anything of Phil Yates? But to Texas...I like it now. Live in a terribly small town south of the DFW metroplex...got engaged the first time in Abilene Tx in dec 85...

Not that further comment is needed...everyone has pretty well covered all the bases, mind-control,brainwashing techniques, the fear factor, the neediness of us for love and family, etc etc- the "feeling" of finally finding the one true way into God's good graces. I left twi, then an offshoot, when I left the abusive husband, then did not even discuss or try to find out what had become of friends, or twi. I did as of this year, 12 years later. If the leaving is recent NLBT, then you have my utmost respect and admiration, because as of the fog years of my departure, things where still somewhat sane as long as your state was not too near ohio. I am beyond sickened at the things I have discovered by "lurking" about these and other pages. Hang in there, because you post seems a bit a cry of "oh man, how did I let this happen" with a touch of despair thrown in. In my own exp. (which is all anyone really knows, maybe) I have finally gotten my act and all else together, to a degree that I am comfortable with, but after mucho work. I don't post much, but sometimes feel unable to restrain myself!

A thank you to Mr Lingo for the welcome-(monkeemen have such good manners)Sorry for the inaccurate statements and beliefs on deepbrine(wonder How I could have been so easily misled?) Greasemonkeycafe does sound more like the real deal...has anyone heard about the availibility of MOW-mobiles for our little monkee friends?

Hopefully...this may just be rumour but heard about a web site...DeepBrineCafe.org...could the little monkeys be in a fog? underwater? OK kidding, just kidding-Thanks for making me scream with laughter. I just haven't in so long...

Mr Strange-also watching concert for George... a sea monkey miracle! Proof positive for you all that the power of the monkey...

I and a great number of cousins in Arkansas- had a bag of double bubble and the little wrappers had bazooka joe comics-and an ad for Sea Monkeys-The aforementioned "Happy Family" picture...You could get a set up for FREE!!! If you sent in 200 wrappers in a Self addressed envelope-We acheived the impossible, the cousins and I. We chewed 200 pieces of gum in One Night to be able to send off for the sea monkey happy family. Didn't occur to us to throw the gum away, what a serious waste of gum that would have been. A boon to the town Denetist though.It took 6 months to get the sea monkeys via mail, and viola with bated breath, we unwrapped the plastic home that had magic magnify-ing windows on the sides, mixed the sea monkey powder into the water and took turns looking in vain for the princess sea monkey with the crown on her head to appear. then, a movement! Never been so dissapointed, and tiny white thing like a speck in the water. It did have what seemed to be wings and it moved about so that was cool. Life has been but a series of "sea monkey-capades" since it seems...

you know all these tales have a common thread-I do think that God does try to work around our hidebound selves (bound by twi or whatever) wow year esp. because you are doing what you believe to be right and true. I once opened my front door to find a sheepish looking grad of pfal holding a brown paper bag-he shoved it at me and told me "God talked to me" and ran. Inside was the correct type and configuration of female-type hygenic supplies. This was indeed my current situation of want-I could do without food and all else, but that was one of the funnier moments in life going from dead-a** panic to extreme thankfulness in under 5 minutes. I did thank him later after he'd gotten over the embarassment....

didn't vote either, still unsure...I did however after I left husband and twi (or vice versa) Call those that I could, apologize for the havoc wrecked upon them by me via my waybrained self. Most of them where loving and none of them where "standing" with the way. I was applauded and lauded being part of a wow family that ran non-stop classes, and just racked up numbers-we where pushed to do more, even. I now get it-I was very young, relativly attractive, and come from a long line of irish car salesmen and could talk 50% of the population into sitting through hours of anything....why I didn't notice that 90% of our grad's where male...and why I never questioned the tactics used (dangle cute chick like bait) still am amazed at my buying into the deal, but suppose we all are, that's why this is helpful to post and etc.

was in k-zoo, Gary Smoke was our branch coordinator-oh my-Does anyone know whatever happened to-Phil Yates-or anyone? I was engaged to 16th corps and traveled back and forth to rome city & hq lots, twice a month actually. I loved the people I met there-ran into difficulties w/the marriage and etc etc lost touch with all-

read the other thread (still new to this whole system of communication...)amazing that folks still have the material, and the details that came flooding back as I read- ps saw a post by someone whos "tagline" was not stringing chairs..Oh Thanks who ever-I laughed my self silly on that one....hope I don't sound too awfully bitter, but the underlying impression I got as well of the husband as lord and master darn near led to my extinction, and glad I have the napkins to show for it I suppose.

I think that my mother in law was the reason I married her son...wonderful woman, but, I Can Not Imagine talking about the slang terms for "parts" with her...or sex in general or specific. I do recall being lectured for hours by leadership about the task I was to take on as wife/doormat...That should rile the men up some...I am quite unsure about the truth of any of that teaching...and don't live any of the doormat teaching any longer.

I remember being mortified by some of the topic's, and I was being "prepped" for spouse corps...a total laugh riot that. Went to the tea, kept the linen napkins lost the hubby...

love to stay and chat, but the spousal unit is lookin at me like the insanity must stop...not a former wafer, but former rc-we have such issues...thanks, I've not been called a sweet girl in a least a decade!

Since I left twi 88-89, I have had almost no knowledge about any of this, but in the last month the desire to find out if there was any way to begin to contact some of the people I'd known had become extreme pressing. Led me here, and to other sites where these (for lack of better word" testemonies" where posted. Now caught up to speed (rollercoastercity) I can recognize by some details these people...and via my own experiences the truth of what these women say, not that they need my voice to add to their own. I also understand the wish to hang on to the good of it all. That pfal helped me turn it around and not self destruct...but then the darkside issues...I feel that I don't have much to add to the enlightened opinions of the better read than me, nor can I qoute any amazing bibical referenes at this point. Just wanted to confirm that the kind acts done by some make the actual horror of what was and is done even the more awful, and that whomsoever you are, I don't see you as an idol-worshipper.(Believe me I know from lurking about and reading almost every post on this deal)

You where in Grand rapids in 88?? Where you there before this? I may well know you then, as I traveled more than a bit...

Have fond memories of the state from these years, and am interested in seeing if anyone here hails from this time frame of long ago and far away...was in wow family run by Sandy Williams,85-86. Been out of twi for many years, am amazed and shocked but all I've found out...but the people I knew where the one of the most wonderful parts of the entire experience,and after catching up so to speak, I hope to find out about them here.

Seeing if anyone here has heard anything of them? I knew them last in Michigan in 1988. Missed them ever since.