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Mr Paw & Rascal: I have indeed grown fond of this and you all...but please tell me-Did you post, Rascal, while giving birth?? That is hardcore devotion of a sort I am amazed by! Thanks out&about-it's nice to know you're not nuts...or overly paranoid.

Just amazing- I spent a lot of time at HQ in 1986-87 due to the fiance the great corps man. The nazi mind set was in full force, but then there where the "cool cliques" as well but they would bow & scrape as well. I agree with an undercurrent of opinion, the youth lack of mature wisdom-I am glad I got out and away, because the abused becomes abusive-or "looks for a factor of life they can control " is so true as well. You all seem to have overcome (if ever you had them) nazi ways! A question to liven it up, how hard was it really to stop-just stop the legalism waybrain stuff? I just coma'd for 11 years, no big deal!

found this last year- Been out since 1989-90. I had not tried to contact anyone, or anything related with the way-left the first husband (which was quite the sticky situation) and it was vital that he not find me...So no contact w/anyone. fast forward about 11 years and one night just for kicks, I googled the way international-wham! trancenet was still viewable, I found waydale w/ directions to Karl Kahler's book reveiw and then greasespot....I stayed awake almost all night, reading and amazed that my experience was not an isolated event after all. I kept having all these gut wretching turns, because I realized some of the whisphered stories where ture and laughed about way brain, and some of the really funny posts...Mr pawtucket it is a real service that you do provide (I do picture him as Mark Twain, whom I think is a genius) I had this nagging doubt that maybe it was me that was such the mess not spiritual enough to "handle it" even after all the years...wondered if it was really as bad as all that, because of the fond memories of good people-yep. well the spot here helped me confirm the sanity I knew I owed.

Just to toss this into the ring- My grandmother lived to be 99-she said 100 and we gave her the year-what the hey... She was born in 1901. She was amazed by cars, then airplanes, then by telephones,then by television, then romance novels, then by car phones, then computers. At one point my Dad had to get her into the car, drive to the local store and then let her use his car phone to call us back at the house. She giggled like a kid the entire time, and Dad said she told everyone in the store that she'd called from the Car...

I find I can't wait til they are in school!! Actually I stress whether or not their big sister is ok throughout the day ( but Not that I'll non-believe her into a car accident!) I do, like Bramble's, hope that they would stick up for each other and help each other out. Yes Mr H -it does mean that there are two-that is my giant excuse for havin' a giant behind!

Well I suppose if 5 dozen roses did not do the trick-actually I run up against stalker/werido types all the time- whatever it was to make her bail after 17 years...musta been amazing.

Mine are too young for school as of yet-but I do have friends and co-workers with twins as well- The school age ones that are identical are separated in different class rooms-the idea being that this will help them develop individual skill sets- I am not sure I agree. Mine are a boy/girl set so that may change the way texas achool's see them. I kinda like the idea of them being able to watch out for each other...anyone else??

Thanks Gals! You know I'm thankful our paths have crossed (ps- exxie, maybe someday you could move just south of hell-Texas! in august it quite feels like it!)

drum roll please...I have now sat on me arse and typed enough posts to have just made....(gasp) a Regular- not a discoverer-(sob). I'd like to thank Frankee for his Hi post- I couldn't have done it with out the inspriation of pineapple pizza... and my utter inability to be quiet in my corner ever again. Slainte! To The Keg!!!

barf-lovers- could be copyrighted by dominoes... checked out your story about the texas BBQ pit- and yep I heard it could be done that way...but digging up my food is just too creepy for me-how ever if I had visited the keg a few times before, perhaps I could forget about the dirt...song-thanks for the warm 10-4!

Thanks, you all. It wasn't courage or any thing so high minded as convictions, etc etc. I just realized that being alive in mind & body was far better than the mess I lived in! I guess maybe we all realized this. Those of us who got out of our collective abusive twi relationship!

Hi Frankee!! I don't say too much myslef-except when I read a long thread that makes me shriek with laughter every few seconds and I must explain to spouse (who is from Ireland where they only have 2 cults) and he doesn't get me some days anyway they I gotta explain what is making me laughter and shreik, and hold my stomach and it's youse guys - the pineapple lovers would be taken out & whacked if they ordered pineapple pizza in the bronx-But Where is the discussion about who's BBQ is the best? Did I miss it or sleep through it? I am orginally from KC MO and We Have the best BBQ in the world. Gates & Son's in KC -When I got pregnant the first time, I begged pleaded for that sauce. Even was nice to a girl I had known in High School to get ahold of a bottle. enough about me-Welcome to the little corner of the world that we at least understand what a twig meant to some of us some of the time.

you can guess from the handle, what I do for a living. We do have access to spray paints for flowers (i hate them true tackiness) But a few years back , they had warning labels on them that where practically instructions for huffing paint- do not use in enclosed area, do not spray in high concentrations in any small -receptical (sp?) blah blah blah...It's off the labels now. There is a product that I stopped using in the shop after watching someone spray it all over their hands (warning: this product is not to be in contact with any fatty tissue as it will cause damage to fatty tissue, break down epidermis, cause rashes, skin infection, and on and on with horrors...) This was being used by the employees to take pine sap off their hands. They had read the label, and then I had read the label to them. They used it as hand cleaner anyway. Most of them have left my employ now....

In a chatty mood tonight-My marriage happened because of the rose colored glasses I had on after being " accepted into the family" of twi-how needy I was. I was from the get go "un-equally" yoked because of the incredible gall I had to love a corpse guy-and I was So Not In The Corps. Leadership ran me ragged trying to catch me up so that I would be sufficent to be a helpmeet of sufficent spiritual stature. I was publicly accused of "lusting" after my BC, and discouraged in a hundred ways. No matter. Married. Turned out he was suffering from his own form of "control issues". I should listened about being unequally yoked. It would have saved me years of my life with an abusive a@@h@le, I would have had all my sight all my hearing and all my heart. But on the plus side- I can tell when the weather is going to be bad, because my old injuries twinge when barometric pressure drops!

I'll keep this going by saying just the same thing- You & your daughter are courageous, brave and to be lauded to the skies- I will keep you in my thoughts & prayers. My sympathies for the pain you have both suffered.

Herb-ala-and all read through this and at times my memories get a wee bit overwhelming, but to the best of my knowledge it does take two (or more!) to begin the sick tango of abusive relationships be they interpersonal or group. It's "normal" for the escalation of violence-dmiller I applaud your courage, and I encourage your efforts to make progress w/the boss man. I also found that most abuser's (helped with group after I was "done" with consuling) like someone mentioned just can not accept they have any probelm. The mental view of the person is that they are justified to react in the way that they do. Most of them are just chicken**** when really confronted, but the behavior is incredibly hard to modify. The "abuse-ee" has a chore to do as well, look at why where and how you got to where you are at and then re-wire yourself-I will not even say "renew'd m**d" I feel it was a part of the brainwash technique.I feel so lucky that I did not have children within my situation-I would have never gotten out. It is fasinating to look at, from the outside. Hell to be inside.

paw-My condolences on your loss-Lost my Mom a few years ago, and really the loss of family is a bitter pill no matter what age, or what time. If I could, I'd send you a bouquet. As it is, my thoughts and prayers must make do.

In my world size matters: relative to the offense committed by unsupsecting spouse- a slight arguement/nice guy-bud vase. a large arguement in which one party refused/unable to see female side of arguement/and wants to sleep in the bed again and not on the couch-dozen roses. a huge blow up/fist fight/neighbors had to call the cops, fearful for their own safety-2 dozen roses plus teddy bear plus balloons plus candy. If your belongings are being currently thrown out the windows, your cd collection stuffed into the garbage disposal, a sledgehammer has been taken to the walls of your home and your car, and you where caught underneath your secretary- an arrangement so huge that we reserve a ford 03 econoline cargo van to deliver it... I have waited on male customers that have been in those boats...it's the "how mad is she?" scale of largeness...

seemed that the mere mention of pregnancy has driven male interest from this thread-sorry guys but do find I am easily amused!

Ileft a tiny ripple in the dead sea (dmiller, you have a great turn of phrase)- but was huge to me, because I spoke to all I'd pressured into pfal and etc and assorted classes...most of them had no hard feelings, but I felt as if I'd showered them with dirt. ps-by the way, and altho this may require a new topic-what happen w/ cgeer & co? or direct me to the info that spans pages, but I have not run across yet.

from my "handle" I suppose mentioning how I voted would be quite redundant! I love my job, and my homelife now is more ups than any downs-of course, being real-everyone has their moments. I manage a high volume flower shop, get to see new people every day, and do a tv show about how to arrange flowers! (local cable-the wayne's world of interior decor & crafts) Does the way world experience ever help anyone out? I had to explain Easter to 2 of my young sales staff...really they did not understand the connection to church! it was a trip-why do church's want to buy those leaves (palms-for palm sunday, natch) I had to try and give a 10 minute training on the topic, it was sad they knew nothing of any significance on the topic-but I digress...(i did tap dance to be politicaly correct and not express personal views etc..against the rules at any corp.) I flashed back to door to door at that point tho'...

I had known Lenny whilst in Michigan-He was my wow brother. I believe that he's out, but that's from oblique reference's here at GS cafe. I have not found him on any of the search sites tho'-If you do run across him hello from moi!

LOL at some-concerned for others: went to ROA in 1985, lots of memorials and etc for vp wierwille and all, and yep completely sucker punched (and also parallel as well! Love of my life etc etc went into the waycorpse...) went wow gots lots of praise and all etc. was wow in michigan close enough to the mayhem to be sucked into it, and I am amazed that even after it all years later, was still beating myself up over it. Then found gscafe realized I wasn't the crazy one. Tried an alternate group, less love there. The thread of this thread seems to be the connections made to people, and maybe that's the deal: important to connect with people. Even love 'em I guess. Perhaps not always in the parallel way...

Bramble: frat/or identical? I have a boy/girl set too too cute and 2 and a half years old. I should be too tired to type!! I also have a 5 yr old girl, so...I knew what would happen!! Guys, I know this derails what you all where hopin' would be a sexy chat about underwear...sorry for the delay. I may yet try boxers, but... I remain unconvinced (sorry, I heard the truth but refused to believe! maybe for sleeping...)

To make you all laugh: when I was preggers w/the twins I received all kinds of maternity wear catalogs and etc-because I went to beached whale status quickly. at 5 months people where eyeballin' my stomach and offering to boil water and tear sheets: Maternity Thongs. Yes. Really. It seems they DO require a wee bit more fabric, and the upper band is made to go under the enormous protuberance- a stupider thing I never did see, and for one, I could not fathom thongs whilst I required assitance to get my huge tent sized underwear over my feet!