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"St" vic was more than into sexual "majik".. really weird. take it as you will.. I ask the animals that I consume for sustenance, for forgiveness.. :) really weird. take it as you will.. I ask the animals that I consume for sustenance, for forgiveness.. :)

yes. But in practical terms, no harm never really happened.. it's really impossible.. so what is the choice.. do the least harm one can do. In a sense, we are all "screwed"..

maybe the question should be.. I am an eternal (whatever fate you assign it.. what are you? who, what are you.. don't ask the question lightly..

I dunno. ascribing to "we* does not exactly kill you..

Crowley was less harmful.. at least he considered the consequences.. not that it did much good. But he considered.. vs.. "I have the righteousness of Christ, of Gawd Almighty. I can merely do as *I* will.. we're all the same, eh? why not for one honest moment.. act like it..

Do whatever you want, as long as your intentions are good. Where have I heard that before..

then, he was by his own words, a fool.

forgiveness is a holy place.. How does one deal with this.. there have been times in my life.. I wish I could just.. well, I did it. Just grab onto the frigging road worn scammer long enough to GIVE them exactly what it was they were desperately trying to scam me out of.. maybe in some ways I am the same..

Wierwille was a dick. And a very small one, at that. "here am I, serve me." I hope his descendants don't relish in the same opinion.. "wish" would be a nice thought.. some have expressed sentiments to me otherwise..

Well, I'm back. I fought the bears, wild animals and other unsavory elements to acquire da beer. Any of you with a last name starting with "W". I'd stand aside.. or wear a raincoat..

I'm going for another beer. Be right back. B double E double R U N, beer run..

well.. what can I say. another beer, and.. drunk squirrels will urinate on your "heritage".. sorry I'm so bad..

for that matter.. why should anyone else?

I dunno. I find it enlightening.. how the successors of vic's dogma DEMAND forgiveness. Well, practically. "Jesus says we HAVE to." Kit Sober is not included here.. at least in my thoughts. A gentle suggestion is one thing.. there is something in proverbs about that.. as far as offshoots, to me it isn't a matter of forgiveness. More of a matter of TRUST. Why.. should I trust you.. you haven't anywhere near come to terms with your true origins. ESPECIALLY sowers. You think gramps adulterous abusive romp in the body of Christ to be so *special*. A "success.." you STILL call him "the Man of gawd".. tell me if I'm mistaken.

do you thinks "mouths are stopped here" because you asked a silly question in response to a question?

but, but but.. he was a BELIEVER.. can't "think evil" you know.

Heh.. perhaps. sometimes.. we see more than we want to.. where does all that go.. some describe it as a "headache".. I dunno..

No, we are not, are we..

I had one of those kind of experiences once.. now, when it happens, the light is not so what is the word.. as "dazzling" or as disconcerting, as it was the first time.. eventually, all of our eyes will have to become accustomed to the light..

if you don't mind me adapting a few of your words.. It is an ineffectual and incompetent god that needs an unprincipled bastard like the victoid to fulfill his will.. I mean, He is God and all. I don't question that.. well, I could but I don't. but if He is almighty.. couldn't He have figured all this out? It really isn't my burden, anymore.. I hope this makes sense..

that is the "coolest" post here.. if I could vote, anyway.. I would not deny God on anybody's premise.. not even mine.

so.. we have a *ministry* that leads nowhere. needs constant, and what's the word.. I'll remember tomorrow.. but it needs constant defending. And excusing.. you have to be kidding.. Maintenance! that's the word. and that's what it seems to be getting here. At least from some of us.. one excuse, one justification for pure evil, after another.. a few quoted verses, how *man*'s heart is depraved.. if you think I am in anything for the money, fame and fortune, riches and wealth beyond any reasonable expectation here.. I would ask those who really, really know me.. some of them only WISH I were a hundred times more ambitious.. my life was far from "covered" or "protected" in the old man's "ministry".. some were even less. so what I am seeing here.. outside of a few historic incidents. That is, meet the wife, father a couple of godly children.. and I would have done the same, taken the same actions, if I were inducted into the Jehovah's Witnesses.. or Scientology.. or.. whatever.. outside of what NATURE provided. There really was no advantage..

seems to be just giving me one more reason to abandon the bible, entirely. If that's god's religion, he can keep it..

That's it! Da victoid's "ministry".. on one side of the road there was a cemetery.. on the other, a road sign.. "millions now smoking"..

It's to them.. "incorruptible". i.e. whadda I have to worry about? one of my dear friends from long ago.. his dad told him.. "it sounds to me, like you are using the bible, to go to hell.."