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either that or the bestest witnesser and undershepherder I've ever seen..

I dunno. Three out of four might work for me..

I hope you aren't suggesting that Squirrels want to sleep with you.. *we* have to be invited.

the really hard part was what to do with a few pieces of the holy.. a few frames of pfal. "Given" from da ministry..

so.. I took this well worn with notes bible. and put it in the recycler.. really.. if I need to remember the figures of speech.. the usages of greek words.. the author will have to remind me..

gawd.. I love that question. what if you found everything you believed was wrong.. sometimes I forward it to others, when appropriate.. :) honestly.. what would you do..

a very good friend once asked me.. what if you found everything you believed was wrong.. how does that fare with those who deceived me along the way.. maybe I shouldn't say. What would you do.. I dunno. Maybe I just deceived myself.. so I answer. Maybe they were doing the best they knew to do.. and the answer was something like.. "you are very generous".. How can one *really* hate one self..

It's love. say the word, and you'll be free.. I dropped all of my defenses once here, and got creamed.. I would do it again, if I were invited..

who is this (perhaps) poverty stricken, *man* with a message? I've had the "message" once.. it all does not depend on *me*. thats what got my attention in *mr* iams post. "why don't they believe *me*.." the vicster never figured it out.. in a cosmic sense, I have no idea where that leaves him.. but it doesn't look good.. if he had to live the rest of eternity with his unwarranted and unbridled egotism.. wouldn't that qualify as hell? just a thought..

and to you, dear friend. I say, the same as to my dear friend here.. I am not laughing AT you. I am laughing, at the absurdity of it all..

it's horrible. somehow.. I don't think it is going to be me going into the river Thames, or whatever name it is..

I dunno. Maybe we are looking for *real* people here.. it's his thread. Tell me to go somewhere else.. no problem.. John, I know you are *real*. At least I hope so..

A complete copy of the 62 page syllabus. the customary use and usages of pneuma hagion.. dechomai, lambano. Not only limited to the english word translated "receive". Pletho, pleroo.. usages of the genitive case, from Bullinger. whole pages of pfal book materials. inserted in loose leaf pages, right next to scripture.. some of Bullinger's structures. Oh, the structures in Ephesians. Copied from forbidden way material, ill gotten notes from a poor sucker, intent on leadership in da ministry.. and what else. figures of speech. Polysendeton.. asydenditon.. etc. etc.. so.. what was in YOUR bible?

I had in my Oxford loose leaf bible..a complete transcription of the 62 page holy relic.. every usage of lambano and dechomai, not just those translated as "recieve" diligently marked.. whole pages of literal "translations" by da way.. most of the intermediate class syllabus.. every reference in Bullinger's "also".. figures of speech.. maybe this needs a new thread..

I gave all that junk to one of my kids to sell on Ebay. Never happened. It was "rescued" by an offshoot.. gawd forbid, that we have da greatness of da word, fall into "enemy" hands.. very, very interesting.. I don't know about now. But the ex regarded these materials, even after they horribly failed.. as some kind of TREASURE.. really, really, weird.. explains a lot, to me. So all I have to do, to get the seven to nine syllabi, pfal books, and the rest of the junk back.. is to.. go back to "twig". no thanks. keep your ill gotten "treasure".. in the mean time. Please scratch my name off of the inside covers..

"you know, my Critics say I got my degree at a diploma mill.. well. you know, *Dr* Lininger.." oh yeah.. even the syllabus. I don't have it any more but.. wasn't it claimed to be the work of *dr* vp wienerville?

how do you know.. were you there? and that perhaps is the focal point of the error. "why don't you believe.. *MEEE.." believe what.. colonic scrubbing, with psyllium seed and a colloidal suspension of bentonite was the *way* to true spirituality? colon cleansing.. wild conspiracy theories.. far out doctrines.. drambuie and female "companionship" unlimited.. you know he really wasn't a doctor, don't you? Do you remember "Dr Bronner's" magic soap? I actually emailed them, and asked about the "dr's" credentials. and they gave me an honest reply. "no, he REALLY wasn't a doctor.." why can't old wayfers be just as honest?

I dunno. Why is it so frightening, for some, to be not any different than anyone else.. no *special* privileges .. no *special* treatment.. there are no guarantees here.. safe harbor? You've got to be kidding..

yes, and how did that turn out.. I can say one thing how that's worked out.. we have one poster here.. convinced of some kind of illusion of safety.. how many years after the demise of herr victser.. can't describe it, or define it. But somehow, it is there..

I'm still waiting for a definition of the safe harbor, or haven, that you speak of.. I understand your frame of mind. You don't feel compelled to cast your swine before the pearls here. Tell me if I'm off base..

the vicster had no more "authority" than that which he robbed others of..

Standard? What standard? The officer, yes. The vicster stole his "position". he wasn't really a "doctor", or don't you know that? either way.. he was a dick. And a very small one, at that.

amazing.. what's the reason for all the mind-numbing detail, to schedule the devil out of your "presentation"? Too bad it didn't work with some followers recent "investments"..

for me? No. Informed decision? "This type of ministry"? while I was busy eating bologna sandwiches and "witnessing" and running classes, cabinet members were freely fornicating with my sisters in christ, some with and some against their will. "this type of ministry" Informed decision? I'd still like to know what your definition of a safe harbor, or safe haven is. Apparently it was NOT safe if one was young, attractive, and female..