Ham

so who is this character? anybody know him? s*anley that is..

bitterness of soul seems to be a "biblical" concept. does "bitterness" make one.. 1. wrong. false conclusion, your logic is flawed, only because.. you are... bitter.. 2. possessed. 3. etc. "why would I want to spend time with such a bunch of BITTER people.." well.. maybe.. because that is all that is or are, around.. must have been the automatic spell check. I wrote "bitter".. it spelled "bigger"..

oh yes.. little words that mean big things.. I was surprised though, with the *warning* to avoid subjects herrrrr manowagd did not peruse, and expound on first.. it's like.. were "bible studies" to be classified among "curious arts"? I can't remember her name. Nor do I have the old syllabus in front of me.. It "graces" the bookshelf of some little known offshoot adherent somewhere.. when I die.. these frigging numbnuts will break out the old sylabi.. "this is ham's *heritage*.." they did that to one guy here who I knew who died..

I commented at the said site. It was polite, no "bad words" or anything. The immediate response? actually, it was pretty benign. It was Waysider's famous quote..

I would really like to see some documentation here.. but the claim, even if TRUE.. he chose the EASY WAY OUT. That is.. not the dedication, persevearance and just plain hard work that it would take to go to a *real* university, and EARN the doctorate.. but I reject the claim to begin with. The "other side" must prove its claim.. Here is an interesting item from the pro vicsters. here is the link to *mr* st*anley's take: http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_html/001bp_upcoming.html

another thought. How many drool marks are in your old bible? You know. da manogawd, or whoever it was.. droning on for hours about the great significance of the word "of".. so dreadfully bored, not to tears, but to drool.. I'm really thinking of "da vey tree" class. I think I had at least one page soaked.. what ever happened to that guy.. I hope he got a little excitement (beyond a few sexual *excursions*) in his life..

from the "pro" wienerville site: so through HIS books.. HIS classes.. I don't know about you.. but I was among those whose constant cheer leading kept a crowd of people "blessed" enough to be in "da class" to not fall into such a deep sleep that they would from sheer boredom start drooling on themselves.. no kidding.. it was *his* great accomplishment? He lead them? No.. it was *us*.. and for that, I offer my most sincere apology..

so, if Lininger was a "well known homiletition".. hows come an internet search with his name only turns up results from Juedes site, GS and a couple wienerville lover pages?

http://www.precastconcrete.org/~messiah7/quz_ipikepk.htm How could one know when vic was lying? When he was moving his mouth.. fabricated snow storms, angels, and a "doctorate" and even the "school"(see above photo) administrator's qualifications as well.. "but you're just a bitter arse kisser. Go read the bible.." http://www.biblicalresearchjournal.org/brj-pages_html/001mm04_teachings_vpw.html Invited to study at Oxford??? his lips were moving again..

a quote from your source: Why can't one come to that conclusion without being labeled as being among the most bitter, twi arse kissers? I mean, the logic is impeccible. 1. da vicster lied about taking Moody bible courses 2.. da vicster got a fake degree run by a a degree mill, run out of the back door of a boarding house.. THEREFORE.. he MUST have done it to greatly inflate his credentials qualifying him as a bible teacher.. well.. you're just a butt kisser.. maybe possessed, or influenced by debils.. besides, there are plenty of other good reasons to get an *honorary* doctorate degree.. I dunno about the rest here, but the huge "leaps of faith" in that kind of counter-"argument" kinda makes me go berserk.. well, in a good, non-bitter, self amused way..

and this is the next "argument" I can see coming.. "well. admittedly, he only had a master's degree in homiletics, and only an "honorary" doctorate degree. What difference does that make? That doesn't make him a bad man or anything.. why do you insist on being such a bitter, twi *leader's* rear kissing fool ?"

It's just another *subtle* method of "silencing the critics". The "exchange" goes something like this: "he wasn't really doctor, don't you know.." "you've just a bitter, dedicated butt kisser." "the vicster was an arrogant, egotistical bastard." "well, someone who would say that is a bitter, former adamant twi leader butt kisser. Does the shoe fit?" "the victoid was guilty of adultery, rape, intellectual dishonesty.." "well. Only a butt kisser, among the most bitter, would say something like that.." in other words, the facts make absolutely no difference here..

"my *critics* say I got my *doctors* at a degree mill.." since when does one become one among the most bitter former twi butt kissers because one makes this statement? "my critics.. they are ALWAYS working against me.. trying to frustrate da movement of da werd. " god forbid we should call a sleazeball *practically* defrocked *minister* on academic dishonesty.. including claims of taking every class Moody had to offer.. and unchecked plagiarism. not only did he have a fake degree.. he would have been defrocked, and likely tarred and feathered in the old church if he insisted on not "retiring".. what I can't see is the "bitterness" connection. How does making the above statement make one to be among the most bitter, most adamant butt kissers known to twi?

what are you really trying to say here? There are too many missing steps in your "argument" is it.. 1. Somebody claims that da vicster was not *really* a *doctor*. plus an anecdote of what some long gone poster: 2. Somebody once says that the most angry, bitter posters were the biggest but kissers in twi.. so lets just look at the first step. Are you saying that because Waysider mentions the fact that vic was not really a *doctor* AND some undocumented posters claim of bitterness makes Waysider among the most bitter, biggest foot-kissers in twi? Honestly.. I don't see how statement 1) combined with practically ANYTHING implies your (implied?) conclusion.. in other words, I can't seem to find a single correct step in your "argument(?)". Well, your first quote was accurate. Most bitter? Maybe that assumption is what got you in trouble to begin with..

whatever happened to Sherrie.. excuse the miss-spell.. yeah. what ever happened to the first wife. The mother of your offspring.. fair question, isn't it?

what is even the need for a resume.. sorry the kid and grandkid feel the same.. I hope the miserable bastards don't practice the same kind of polygamy. Of course, that is wishful thinking..

Did rosie ever have to submit a schedule in fifteen minute increments.. detailing where she would be.. who she would be with, what she would be doing. What she would be talking about.. the exact times she would be having sex with her "partner".. etc. etc. Hey. By way doctrine it's a basic *need* in life. How are you fulfilling it?

Doesn't it seem at least a little "twisted" to anyone else here.. having to report the day, time, and (within 15 minutes) hour of having sex with one's wife? The way corps was turned into far worse than meddlers. Now they have the perfect "opportunity" and mandate to become voyeurs.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeurism what a sick, friggin *ministry*..

so my question still stands.. whether you're involved with da way or a clone.. what do "they" REALLY do for YOU? put pfal leftovers in the microwave?

exactly HOW.. did they "check up on that too"? that's illegal in most states, anyway.. I mean.. really. You give them the hour and minute its gonna happen. In a detailed, fifteen minute incremented schedule.. and the hammer comes down.. "come clean. you didn't have sex with your wife.." how did you figure that out, bub? Hummm?

and if he really taught his men(?) da "greatness of da WORD".. in doctrine and practice, why did they go along with it? I guess the concept is "no friends when it comes to da word" only when it is not convenient..

I can cite several examples of offshoots trying to spend vic's magical law of believing and "ministering".. only to the end the person did not survive.. I wouldn't dream of revealing names here.. the consequences of this nonsense is really enough for someone to live through once.. but really. In the *real world*.. sometimes you see spontaneous remission from disease. To hold up an isolated example and claim it as some kind of "victory" for da "dr"'s magical formula.. you have to likewise REALLY explain the other 99 percent of times it ended up in failure..

the next thought.. if you acquire a counterfiet note, somehow, in exchange for a bigger bill at a store.. or something. What is the real reason that makes a person horribly horribly angry and upset when they try to turn it in at the bank? I think its a realization that one owns a copy of the *real thing* which has NO POWER.

actually.. why have WIVES when you can have an inner circle of underhanded, ruthless cutthroats and worse who can supply you with a steady stream of DISPOSABLE women? No, they weren't his wives.. no *real* commitment on his part..