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and there is at least one other here who would drop everything and run back into the mouth of the beast.. provided da way exhibited the illusion that it's like the good old days.. I really think.. if someone "goes back".. and the phone calls and communication stops.. after a few failed attempts to take you with them, and they subsequently avoid you.. maybe they weren't the friend one thought they were.

thanks.. I always thought you were one of the good guys here too Groucho.. I do what I can.. just imagine a small rodent trying to pee out a fire.. now if we had ten million of us working on it.. other than gross, it might just work..

sometimes that's the only options some have.. after thirty years.. I still don't exactly fit anywhere.. I'm not complaining.. things could be worse.. I just hope.. someday, it will find me.. hasn't exactly worked out the other way around..

I think it's around a year old..

If someone got caught, they'd probably disavow any knowledge of it.. scary though isn't it.. all loy boy would have had to say "he's (or she's) an obnoxious god hating faggot.. we oughta do *something*.." and we have at least one individual that would silently go off into the night, and do whatever they do without a blink of conscience.. might be "inuendo", but who's to say it didn't happen as it is.. the only way you'd know was if the person actually got caught.. it's like.. they've broken every other commandment known to God and man.. why stop short of this? at the least to me, it wouldn't take too much of a stretch of my imagination.. it wouldn't exactly suprise me.

I'm looking forward to the next time I get witnessed to.. "wanna come to a nice household fellowship (twig)?" "only if I can pack a taser.." hey, it's a small world.. I just know it will eventually happen..

Aren't Jesuits part of the Roman Catholic Church? would seem a rather large "adversary" for der vey's legal team to take on.. and considering they are doing "business" in Britain.. seems if da waymeisters lost, they'd end up paying ALL legal fees, for both parties.. air fare, exotic meals, miscellaneous expenses.. naw.. that's millet and hot dogs.. budget cuts ya know..

Mainly I think because it was "in house" slander, in front of a selective audience, who were trained to practically believe every word..

Well.. I'm glad somebody else sees a little humor and irony in all of this.. "shoot your way out of a bible meeting".. that's good.. well.. he's the prince of peace.. and if you can't have peace, I guess a piece will suffice..

I've seen what some mother cats do.. one I had would wrap it's front paws around the kitten, well it was a rather large kitten.. and beat the snot out of it with the hind legs.. he ended up being a nice cat though.. I think we found a home for him before he was irreperably damaged.. so this mother cat was violently protective of the babies, and not abusive of the babies themselves? The one cat we had long ago, when it had it's litter.. it would let you handle them. But when you started getting close, she watched your every move.. very intently.. maybe that much care is normal.. but she never would attack us.

I dunno.. have you considered a cat psychiatrist? Other than acting crazy, chasing each other around and causing only a moderate amount of destruction, your kitties counterparts here have been fairly well behaved.. and they are the same, one is pure black, the other is a tuxedo.. they aren't touchy-feely by a long shot.. but I wake up with Samantha sleeping on top of me.. and Salem, the tuxedo, he will crawl up in my lap if I'm not feeling particularly well for one reason or another.. almost like he tries to comfort me.. other than that, I think the only difference between them and tigers or lions is merely the size of the beast.. they exhibit some wild tendancies that I don't think they'll ever get rid of. I've heard cats taken from their mother too soon are just neurotic..

even if one uses the "ends justify the means" defense.. what possible "ends" came out of it to justify this kind of behavior? I really don't think the "ends" will be "a crown of righteousness at the bema" either..

"well.. it was justified.. so da WORD could *live*.." is that so? give me ONE SINGLE CONTRIBUTION all of this has given to society.. other than a few arcane, little known teachings.. other than another raging sycophant with a rather limited audience.. there is basically nothing to show, after twenty five or more years..

and to those who still follow him, take his classes.. revere his teachings.. and give him money.. I ask, why? do you agree with him that this is actually a NORMAL thing to do, and actually appropriate? "extreme times require extreme measures".. really? maybe extreme paranoia..

Looks like several voted on the bodyguard.. now why would a mild mannered, benevolent mogster type need a body guard, at CHURCH? Some people might not like that term, especially the guy who started the thing.. but twi- wasn't it supposed to be just another CHURCH? At least by strict definition.. I haven't met any mainstream minister who needs a bodyguard close by to "protect his back" while he's "moving da word".. or a guy in a ministerial association, who relied on displaying a handgun, along with a goon leveling a firearm at other clergy to demand "respect".. pretty surreal thought, now, isn't it?

The organization was hardly what it advertised to be.. a nice bible teaching group.. "wanna have fun? woncha come to twig with me..." we were following lunatics.. at least at the top.. lunatics packing heat..

and this was supposed to be a "biblical research teaching and fellowship" organization.. i.e. a "bible" group? it's just kinda hard figuring out what stabbing somebody with a broken broomstick has anything to do with the bible.. must be the "fellowship" part..

I'm almost suprised we didn't have a Jonestown kind of incident at good ole hq.. with the geer readings.. it sounds like it came close..

well.. that's what made some way meetings so "special" it's not JUST a church service.. we're battling devils, to the death ya know.. serious (deluded) business.. the insane part of all this.. some people STILL follow these numbnuts around like they are God in the flesh..

It's just.. packing heat to a church meeting? How anybody can think that's "normal" is beyond me.. Was he so desperately paranoid.. that he thought he needed "protection" because devils would jump in people's heads, and move them to kill him? I kinda agree with excies "evaluation".. he musta been psycho..

I don't have any issues with firearms in general.. my dad taught me how to handle a rifle.. we did some target practice and such.. but he taught me the respect to NEVER point it at anyone, how to walk with it in a non-threatening manner.. I'm thinking more of these mobsters showing up packing heat to what is supposed to be a christian "fellowship".. during the pop meetings.. what would motivate someone to pack heat, in case something might go "awry"? I don't want to take John Juedes thread any more off topic.. If I were to ask Juedes how many times he felt he had to "pack heat" to one of his services, the answer would probably be "zero".. and I would even imagine his church does not participate in firearm safety training courses.. etc, etc.. same for any other reputable group.. what made the way different? what could possibly be in a "minister"'s soul, that he felt compelled to pack heat to a "worship service"? or a "leadership" meeting, and make sure all present KNEW he was packing.. and would not hesitate to use it.. Or train dogs conditioned to attack.. to protect a sleezeball of a mogster.. I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

Thanks.. I modified it, and it looks like it didn't trash the poll.. last time I modified a poll midstream like this I lost a few contributions..

Rock of Ages and larger classes like advanced class and specials would also qualify.

and I also wonder.. if they carried a couple cheap unregistered throwaways to cover cases their revelation that the guy who was a "threat" was packing just didn't pan out.. I would imagine SOMEBODY here knows.. I'm not thinking evil.. with what we DO know.. it's pretty logical question to ask..

I'd just like a little information.. especially if you are aware of any of this regarding the pop meetings, or twi Sunday night services, special limb or region meetings, etc. Corps night at locations would qualify.