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"Radios Reincarnated"!!! maybe that's the name I've been looking for.. a business that picks up old technology, recycles it of sorts, and makes it so it will do modern technological wonders..

thanks for the smile, friend.. :)

While I tend to lean in the direction of a belief in reincarnation.. I've had the nutty dreams, impressions.. are they real? I don't know, nor could I ever prove them, outside of spouting out the numerical sequence of a Swiss bank account in a previous life or something.. and that is why this particular thread is not doctrinal. I'm going with loy's definition of way theology, that reincarnation cannot be true, because so many supposed past lives were IMPORTANT. Being kings, queens, princes, princesses and duchesses, Billionaires.. this differs from many who I have talked with. As a general rule, they seem to remember being plain, ordinary folks.. my impressions, whether they are true or not: 1. I died in battle once, the clothing in the dream would indicate early 1800's. not a general, a corporal.. an ordinary grunt of sorts. A lot of poor, relatively in terms of society unimportant people have died in wars. 2. then there was one I was a dishonest businessman. Had to have been in early 1920's maybe.. died at the wrong end of a handgun. apparently I slept with the bosses wife. 3. Dishonest radio repair guy. Overcharged customers to replace parts that were still healthy. Well, just keep replacing and charging until the thing is fixed.. this would have to be in the forties. Somehow I think this is the guy who got shot.. what is weird, is when I was about 10 years old I looked at a schematic diagram, and it made sense to me.. still #3 can't be considered royalty or anything. but these are only impressions. true or not, I can't defend or argue for or against. and it is the same for others I've talked with. So as far a formulated way theology, I think the conclusion (it cannot be true) is not supported by the premise (most of the *experiences* suggest the pre-life was one of *importance*).

Sorry for the side discussion Raf.. can I ask you what got you on this? Just curious.

maybe Raph has a good reason to be abrasive. Well, assuming he really is.. it's sometime hard to read emotion and motivation in a written format.. What would you do if in one split second you realized everything you believe, or believed was just plain, wrong. Maybe it is not as extreme as that.. for the person so "afflicted" (but I think it is really a divine(?) gift.) it is like death.. unfortunately the process is not very pleasant unless it proceeds quite rapidly..

Possible. But in either case, whether the impression is legitimate or not (not quite the subject here, but it could be..)it violates loys rants against reincarnation. In other words, you weren't born with a silver spoon in your mouth, again, and again.. there are those among us who seem to think differently, though.. possible..

So I remember loy ranting on about why everybody who had some kind of remembrance of past lives, it involved the person being a priest, a princess, a king, i.e. somebody "important". The conclusion? Reincarnation MUST be an ungodly delusion. Not so many people could be king of egypt, head of the stock exchange, etc. To which I say, every life I have an IMPRESSION, false or otherwise, of living before, I was an ordinary, serf (or slightly enhanced) numbnuts in the social chain..

sometimes that I how I solve mathematical problems. But if my pre-supposed "solution" is not correct, the evidence ends up in a far removed place from my proposed solution.

Your pole is good enough.. in statistics they taught us the "no opinion" option sometimes skews the data, i.e. gives the respondent a way out of answering a difficult question. my response would be "I think something happened, I'm just not quite so sure what it was.." sowy for the Squirrelish diversion here..

Raf, I did not vote in the pole. If you had a "I dunno" option, I would have taken it.. I've had several "I dunno" experiences, one big one since leaving twi.. during sober moments (not drug or otherwise induced). there are logical options: 1. The brain burped the right chemicals at the right(?) time. 2. Maybe what I saw was real enough.. 3. Maybe I'm just, plain nuts (maybe the more likely explanation) so it goes with tongues. Was I faking? I dunno. I don't think so at the time. Was it meaningful? I dunno. Maybe at one time it was. Was I just plain nuts, and self-deluded? Possibly. Too many I dunno's for me to say much more, at least as to my own experience.

A different question, or is it really different? Why do the offshoots perpetuate the practice of s.i.t., along with claims of proof of eternal life and all? is it possible, that at least in some cases, those who partook in wierwille's sins need some re-affirming hope that babbling in some non-english gibberish guarantees they have eternal life, at least going to the right place? You know- not going to the lake of fire, which is a logical end for those who behaved like the vicster? I would call it a "vested interest" for some.

"TWI involvement: a long, convoluted detour on the path of life"

Hmmm. Any such accusation just KILLS any kind of dialogue.. doesn't it? You don't even have to be satanic. Just "crazy" enough and whole posts disappear sometimes.. But don't take it hard. You're just a Friend of the Devil. A Friend of the Devil is a Friend of mine.. at least that's how the old song goes..

I like a slightly different argument. If sit as twi, cff, stiffi, and what is the name of jl's new outfit know it- intercession for the saints.. a pre-requisite for revelation.. makes one "big and fat, spiritually.." why was I STILL so "spiritually blind" as to the vicster's bad behavior.. not just him but the *men* around him as well. loy's abuse of staffer's wives. I was in the lousy organization until sometime in 1996. no clue, nada, nothing. And it was corrupt, to the core. Why did the "intercession" not keep a family member from getting cancer.. why did it not save my marriage.. Why didn't I have ONE STINKING CLUE of what to do? And I actually did my sincere, best to not "fake it". About ten years ago, I gave it up, cold turkey. I just wanted to see what would happen.. the world did not come to an end. At least things did not get any worse..

What I wonder.. is there anyone here who actually DID record any of these? I mean.. there are no copyright issues or liability or anything, are there? In other words, perhaps one could post some of these insane rants on the internet for all the world to see..

It was from a little paperback book.. Angels of Light? Or something like that. It was a little paperback that new students in the advanced class were supposed to read. It probably should have been called "how to perform an exorcism, in three easy lessons"..

good point..

Fair question I think..

Everything was good in this endeavor.. I cooked up most of these tomatoes on a coleman stove outside. I got about three gallons of fuel for about two bucks at a rummage sale.. it was older fuel.. but it burned really HOT.. I have not looked at the chemistry involved.. but I think pure naphthalene burns hotter than the new formulation. We rented a sod cutter for a day.. and it worked for about three quarters of the garden before it died. The company refunded 100 percent of the rental fee. but try cutting sod by hand for what was left.. we actually did it..

Nine and a half gallons, from what we grew. Six and a half gallons, for the local soup kitchen, from donated tomatoes and donated jars.

how god works in man.. I'm *seriously* thinking of doing some kind of seminar with respect to tomatoes. No kidding.. Nature tends to give us way, way too much (at least it seems at the moment) than we know what to do with.. so to love the Tomato, is to preserve the tomato. commercial outfits figured this out, long ago.

Whatever you call it.. some people need that kind of security blanket to make it through the night, or through the day for that matter..

Happy Birthday, our musical friend.. :)

That's what I would think. And my next thought.. how many times. And did he "recruit" his victims much like da victster did, holding a "birth to the corps" paper in one hand, beckoning with the other.. or did he have the Goon Squad figure out how to supply him.. or were there any drugs or alcohol involved? any special favors to those who complied? Consequences rendered to those who refused? Any threats issued?

I think j.l. admitted to some such activity. Now whether it was with peers, or with some of those under his charge as a corpse coordinator, is what I would like to know..