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Interesting.. I thought an overseer in the church had to fit these descriptions. Notice that "not a homo" is anywhere in the list.. may disqualify them, may not.. "Striker": 1) bruiser, ready for a blow 2) A PUGNACIOUS, CONTENTIOUS, QUARRELSOME PERSON A lot of people here probably are disqualified on these points. I suppose I would be also.. at least on three counts. Well.. If homo's are disqualified, I guess we are in the same company.. :)

Rewards.. yep. "I don't want the lord to come to MY TURN and just say 'ahem, next..'.." Oh, the embarrassment! Woe is me... I guess rewards might be nice.. but If they are even gonna be there, I don't think they would be doled out for being a not so nice (rude!) faithless wayfer.. "Well done (?) thou good (?) and faithful (???!) servant (????????!!!), here's a shiny new car for giving the Lord a black eye.."

Probably some limited six month commitment to go slave away at Gunnison or something... New "program" for the "masses"(?) to get behind the wheel on.. Any kind of "big" announcement coming out of that "little"(very) place would make me a little suspicious..

Well, what I kinda meant in this was, what kind of a beating did they give the rest of the corps that were left behind in that dungeon? What kind of threats were made? What kind of accusations, that they were spiritually the lowest of the low for not "sniffing out" some one as "devilish" as you? What kind of foul accusations were thrown that somehow, despite doc vic praise be his name (in honor of Steve!) training to be attentitive to details, that somehow, they "missed it"? "Well, we oughta send you whole bunch of stinkin losers home.. if you don't straighten up.." Don't think it happened? I've been in those kind of meetings, and I WAS NOT CORPS. I suggest that you were "used". Oh yes, "those kind of meetings".. many of the worst, I remember in the "good old days".. early seventies.

How friggin sick can you get. MANDATORY? I can see rosie under oath.. "so, ms(?) bark, do you have mandatory meetings?" "Heavens to betsy, nevah.." "so are you saying, nobody HAS to go to meetings?" "well, I wouldn't quite say that.... but they sure aren't MANDATORY.."

Any claim to the contrary would make as much sense as claiming a battered person shouldn't have run into the batterer's fist.. I would admit one thing though.. for me to allow "them" to do the same thing the second time around, after recovering myself from the lions grip, perhaps WOULD be my fault. For me, It took over a year to figure out that I was indeed abused.. I think that's the insidious nature of the beast. Many weren't addicted to the ministry of the saints.. but thought they were. More like addicted to the abuse.

That was my experience. All others were "Christen dumb". "possessed". "run by seed of the serpent". We were told that lions and such were just waiting anywhere off of the "way" of holiness.. and yes, that "way", was loy's "way". Lessee. No house, no debt, no pets, no extra-curricular involvement, corps head up your schedule, not to mention every waking moment of your life.. well, couldn't have been all that bad, eh kiddies? Ptooie. Nobody. The problem was, there WAS no standard. They could set the hoops as high as they wished.. Reminds me of you and the corps program, oldies.. would have given your right arm or something.. but you had value to them, sure. You were an "example". And whooo boy, they sure took advantage of "examples". I would call it "used". Wonder what kind of kind, considerate meetings followed your departure.. They used you like.. well, I don't wanna invoke the wrath of the moderators.

The inside rumor is that he has trained himself to the point of peak performance, and is anxiously planning his comeback, all with a new "production"- "Atheletes of the Spinach".

Hey! There was yet ANOTHER siting, in the back woods of Mississippi (whew, even got the spelling right). Too bad the guy didn't have a camera, but here's the sketch artists rendition:

Belle, I've seen enough gold in "some of us" here to last me a lifetime!

The only thing I could add to this.. it takes real character to not only just not to pluck out your neighbor's eye for them, just because YOU think it may cause him to sin.. but to acknowledge the real gold that's in him or her. But that's too hard to do if you already have all of the answers.

I think the docs name was Moreau..

Neither does merely adopting said doctrines, even if they are public domain, make them any more "original" either.

"Practical error always leads to doctrinal error. The leaders, especially lcm, said that a lot." Must have been because loy was so acquainted with "practical error" Yep. "BEWARE of SIN 'brethren'- I KNOWS sin. I jess KNOWS the consequences of practical error. I'll keep you updated. Just keep sending me money.." Garsh, I'm so thankfull..

Belle, I really prefer your method! This one individual, well, I tried to be polite, first. Good grief.. on and on it went.. over breaking some little known protocol not known since the days of Methuselah..you'd think I murdered somebody. And it wasn't in a situation I could exactly walk away from either. Well, gotta do what you gotta do.. Back in the vey I probably woulda just cowered in a corner somewhere.. not this time! Looking back, its kinda funny now. As far as vey brain goes, I think I've handled it fairly well.. any more, I'll go the extra mile to resolve something in a polite, or humorous way. Usually humorous does the job.

Here we go again, heh heh heh. :D

Well.. getting mad and cussing them out.. I don't think its always a bad thing, or makes thing worse, if you cuss "creatively". I have had to do this to one poor soul a couple of months ago.. person was being plain legalistic, mean.. never involved with the old ministry either. I told the person they reminded me of some a**holes in an old cult I used to be in.. "I ALREADY have one G*d D*mned A**hole, and you are NOT going to ream me another one.. " No kidding.. this came out of my mouth, and most people think I'm a pretty nice guy.. :D It worked WONDERS ! The person is now more of a friend than before..

I wonder if anyone considers my new election and GS moving at the same time just another bizarre coincidence..

Before you gulp down the details fellows, look at the size of the portion. "Weeeel, the matador, he dooozen't win every time.."

Belle, I think YOU are a Greasespot Gem! :)-->

Come to think of it, who isn't? :)-->

Just don't name it the Titanic.. :D-->

Hey! With the end of the world coming and all, somebody oughta pop a few champaign corks! Paw, you are gonna do a proper Christening when you set this new rascal out to sea, I would hope?

Good grief.. Oldies, I have heard of a cure for your situation, but I don't think you'd make it.. sheesh.

I wonder how pleasant it was for folks when I tried to beat them to death with my well worn copy of Jesus Christ is not God, in their very own living rooms.. Oh yeah.. that sure helped them, I'm sure.. Yeah, yeah, they were BEATING a path to my door step.. some "ambassador".. sheesh.