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Any claim to the contrary would make as much sense as claiming a battered person shouldn't have run into the batterer's fist.. I would admit one thing though.. for me to allow "them" to do the same thing the second time around, after recovering myself from the lions grip, perhaps WOULD be my fault. For me, It took over a year to figure out that I was indeed abused.. I think that's the insidious nature of the beast. Many weren't addicted to the ministry of the saints.. but thought they were. More like addicted to the abuse.

That was my experience. All others were "Christen dumb". "possessed". "run by seed of the serpent". We were told that lions and such were just waiting anywhere off of the "way" of holiness.. and yes, that "way", was loy's "way". Lessee. No house, no debt, no pets, no extra-curricular involvement, corps head up your schedule, not to mention every waking moment of your life.. well, couldn't have been all that bad, eh kiddies? Ptooie. Nobody. The problem was, there WAS no standard. They could set the hoops as high as they wished.. Reminds me of you and the corps program, oldies.. would have given your right arm or something.. but you had value to them, sure. You were an "example". And whooo boy, they sure took advantage of "examples". I would call it "used". Wonder what kind of kind, considerate meetings followed your departure.. They used you like.. well, I don't wanna invoke the wrath of the moderators.

The inside rumor is that he has trained himself to the point of peak performance, and is anxiously planning his comeback, all with a new "production"- "Atheletes of the Spinach".

Hey! There was yet ANOTHER siting, in the back woods of Mississippi (whew, even got the spelling right). Too bad the guy didn't have a camera, but here's the sketch artists rendition:

Belle, I've seen enough gold in "some of us" here to last me a lifetime!

The only thing I could add to this.. it takes real character to not only just not to pluck out your neighbor's eye for them, just because YOU think it may cause him to sin.. but to acknowledge the real gold that's in him or her. But that's too hard to do if you already have all of the answers.

I think the docs name was Moreau..

Neither does merely adopting said doctrines, even if they are public domain, make them any more "original" either.

"Practical error always leads to doctrinal error. The leaders, especially lcm, said that a lot." Must have been because loy was so acquainted with "practical error" Yep. "BEWARE of SIN 'brethren'- I KNOWS sin. I jess KNOWS the consequences of practical error. I'll keep you updated. Just keep sending me money.." Garsh, I'm so thankfull..

Belle, I really prefer your method! This one individual, well, I tried to be polite, first. Good grief.. on and on it went.. over breaking some little known protocol not known since the days of Methuselah..you'd think I murdered somebody. And it wasn't in a situation I could exactly walk away from either. Well, gotta do what you gotta do.. Back in the vey I probably woulda just cowered in a corner somewhere.. not this time! Looking back, its kinda funny now. As far as vey brain goes, I think I've handled it fairly well.. any more, I'll go the extra mile to resolve something in a polite, or humorous way. Usually humorous does the job.

Here we go again, heh heh heh. :D

Well.. getting mad and cussing them out.. I don't think its always a bad thing, or makes thing worse, if you cuss "creatively". I have had to do this to one poor soul a couple of months ago.. person was being plain legalistic, mean.. never involved with the old ministry either. I told the person they reminded me of some a**holes in an old cult I used to be in.. "I ALREADY have one G*d D*mned A**hole, and you are NOT going to ream me another one.. " No kidding.. this came out of my mouth, and most people think I'm a pretty nice guy.. :D It worked WONDERS ! The person is now more of a friend than before..

I wonder if anyone considers my new election and GS moving at the same time just another bizarre coincidence..

Before you gulp down the details fellows, look at the size of the portion. "Weeeel, the matador, he dooozen't win every time.."

Belle, I think YOU are a Greasespot Gem! :)-->

Come to think of it, who isn't? :)-->

Just don't name it the Titanic.. :D-->

Hey! With the end of the world coming and all, somebody oughta pop a few champaign corks! Paw, you are gonna do a proper Christening when you set this new rascal out to sea, I would hope?

Good grief.. Oldies, I have heard of a cure for your situation, but I don't think you'd make it.. sheesh.

I wonder how pleasant it was for folks when I tried to beat them to death with my well worn copy of Jesus Christ is not God, in their very own living rooms.. Oh yeah.. that sure helped them, I'm sure.. Yeah, yeah, they were BEATING a path to my door step.. some "ambassador".. sheesh.

Good points Belle.. I think that is one reason I didn't mind paying again, and again, and again, at least at one time.. The ministry had at least some semblance of these things.. there were root locations, training, music productions, larger meetings.. and I believe a lot of folks actually came out of it with at least a little of something to show.. But even that slowly changed. Now the best they have to offer is some new light on why beastiality isn't such a great idea.. good grief. Couldn't PAY me to sit through that kind of stuff again..

Belle, I think you just wrote it! :D-->

And he claimed what he taught as much, at least out of one side of the mouth.. along with "by the way, I went to BG's class" out of the other. Settles the question to my satisfaction. Funny how this did not quite pan out.. So off we go, to Rosiland Rinker, BG, Stiles, Bullinger.. Kenyon, Arthur Ford (he WAS a GUEST in the v.p. household more than once! Vic said as much at my advanced class) Glenn Clark, Star Dailey, Rufus Mosley, etc. etc. etc. Some really strange folk are among the list.. The only "improvement" in the "holy spurt field" was listing nine manifestations instead of nine "gifts".. Still didn't stop folks from speaking in tongues if they wanted to. Look at Stiles ministry..

Texas, forgive me.. :D-->

like a Texan on a pork chop..