bliss

I don't think the devil gets employed until AFTER a natural phenomenon or disaster.

But on another note....

Where does one go?

Tornado alley: everyone can just live underground....but then it could flood..and be so boring and hot, no light....bad

Earthquake central....they could live in cliffs, oh wait, landslides and forest fires..

Hurricane coasts, the could move INLAND, oh wait, flooding.....no nice view either....

Maybe we should all live in.....Buffalo!

OH wait.....blizzards...

I am still trying to figure this one out

And.....I just got back from the most

heartfelt, warm, "compassionate", touching,

beautiful bible study, (not way affiliated),

that I have , I think ever....if not then in a longgggggggggggggggggggg time....

I can't remember the last time I felt such LOVE for God and from God in a long time....

no guns involved ;)-->

I HAVE had a GUN TO MY HEAD!!! FOR REAL.

Sure I had a choice.

Thankfully the results of my choice, lead me to still be here today. (and what that choice was is not what you think)

I had no physical gun to my head keeping me in the Vey,

but, having gone through both real and figurative guns,

(the later being fear, manipulation, coersion, guilt...oh just pick your poison),

my reactions and feelings were quite similar.

ummm...Chilling.

It's uncanny.

Never thought about it until now. The only difference is I didn't have a sudden panic of fear, just a long continuous drip..............

Funny- at an early point in my ministry career, my dad ran into someone that told him the Way

was cultish and won't let people have freinds outside.

My dad then posed that question to me the moment I got off the plane from taking my first Adv. class!!!

I screamed NO!!

That is not true.......then I quietly looked at my life and said, "if it's not true, then where are all my olm man friends?"

Of course I rationalized it away, like they were bad influence...blah blah...

That should've been more apparent to me, but they never said "thout shall NOT", only assumed and implyed as you got more heavily 'commited'.

I knew not to disown my family, however I was very relectant to keep witnessing to them in the late 90's because I didn't want to have

to "mark and avoid them".

(I knew my Pa would've never let anyone yell at him, hello?) So of course he wouldn't have lasted long was my logic. So leave good well enough alone.

Now that I think about it, my PA always asked me questions like "so, what kind of car does The Rev. Marinfail drive? where does he live? and how much money does he make? What does the Way do for poor people?"

I used to be so exhausted just trying to defend everything... truth be told, I never had any of those answers, except for the house one.

Go figure...

Bliss

Hey Belle check your PT's if I did it right.

Date on the whole book 1984. Eludes to being written most recently in that chapter.

The last verse says

"But God is still alive."

Could that be the "extra" that gave him authorship?

Got the book right in front of me!!

It's from Album of Verse

Author of If a Million People Love You

-Victor Paul Wierwille

could it be another plagery?

You crack me up Belle,

I'll pm you soon ;)-->

bliss

Belle- Glad I got in ( set me up for a life of biblical curiosity, lots of good memories too, and good head on shoulders considering, and wonderful hubby).

Glad I got out!!!(Just not doing anything for me, and I see what bad happend to many, can't support that).

Oldies- I can't figure you out, actually. I enjoy your optimism, probably how my hubby would behave if he cared to post, but he doesn't.

He is still having problems leaving, so in a sense, holding me back, (I am out mentally), but without him, I consider us a "WE", I say "still tryin".

He misses the fellowship with beleivers.

He doesn't understand why he can't just go to twig and hear the Word and be blessed, and if anyone f*&^% with him or yells, like 5 years ago, he'll tell them where to go....!!!

I want him to make this decision on his own, not because :I say so!

He also wants an UNBIASED advice?

Anyone know the answer to that?

He can't go to leadership "cuz they'd convince to stay"

If he hangs here (GS), ya'll say "get out"....

One thing he hasn't done is examine ALL the evidence. Baby steps.

He wants to know who Paw is? :P-->

You forgot

Still tryin to get out

Tisk, tisk, Mr. Ham, you know she always wanted Honeywagon duty!

No, Belle, the comment came after I moaned that I couldn't take one more collateral teaching....that is when they said it.... so it must be something doctrinal or "new light".

Yea, guess I'll wait... ;)-->

Innie told me today that "things are going to change real soon, there's some big ones coming."

When I asked what, they said "can't say until the Anniversary! It hasn't been announced yet."

And this is from an assis FC who is my friend.

I almostscreamed!!!!

Does that not sound odd to them that they "can't tell?"

Alright children, behave!!!

(i wear thong :o-->)

Do I have to bring this back?

I wanted to bear fruit, I ended up just a BEAR!

No longsuffering

No patience

Wasn't that kind

No joy

etc...

I didn't start off that way......that was the reason I got in the vey, to bear fruit and serve others..... I learned it from years of being led by rotten practice.

bummer

but....I have already changed... start gathering baskets people, my fruit is ripe and it's coming down! (no sexual comments please)

bliss

Thanks Evan,

Exactly what has been missing in my life for the last 10 years. Sure, in the beginning I had

fruit because I was learning about God and the bible and I was so happy I could fly...

So yes Oldies, I think TWI did good, for some. Depends on who their overseers were for one.

I happend to be "lucky" and had the best dang TC in the world (MO). We had a blast. Still friends to this day, (not in TWI). But somewhere

along the way, and shortly after, it was more and more

burdensome. I turned into a fruitless tree.

My fruit to help others was as much as "hey you want to come to my fellowship cuz that is the only way I'll help you!"

Well, a little praise report here:

Over the last 3 months or so, (since our new discovery and freedom),

we have helped more people than ever in the last 10 years! We have been such a help in our neighborhood, doing things we used to scoff at, and we are blessed! No strings attached.

No, "hey, how can I get the Word in here" thinking the whole time.

Just "I want to help, what can I do for YOU!"

It was great. My hubby and I are like different people.

I want to help others.

I want to be like Jesus Christ, and have him as a brother.

I want to give without agenda.

I want to make a difference in someones life..

I can, and I will.

bliss

"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it." Mark Twain

I was thinking about this today, and then MO had mentioned something on another thread, so I have to get it out.

I started in the way a loving, giving, excited, 19 year old with hopes of growing CLOSER to Christ.

20 years later, sad to say, I don't feel closer.

I feel farther away.

All the loving turned into hating.

All the giving turned into greed.

All the excitment turned into boredom.

This is what staying in TWI this long has, IMO, done to me.

I think this has happend to many.

Thankfully, I am on the road to recovery.

bliss

There's gotta be somethin more, gotta be more than this~ I need a little less hard times, I need a liitle more bliss..."

Maybe it's code for " now we are going to take the way ministry word to ya"

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" theres gotta be somthin more, gotta be more than this- I need a little less hard times, I need a little more bliss......" Sugarland

anyone , anyone?

HHAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Keep it small? hummmmmmmmmm, no doesn't sound familiar. Especially since the LATEST sunday snoorvest topic is the Rise and Expansion Book!!!!

And I quote " It's been 10 years since we have accomplished that awesome vision and goal of the

Word over the world- Now we are taking the prevailing Word to the World!"

That doesn't sound like "small" exhortation to me. The whole teaching is about how "we can be just like the first century believers by rising and expanding."

They quote from LCM's book, but dare not use his name.

Odd

What hypocrisy.

Welcome Brother Speed, I'd say the latter.

Just look at the reaction it got out of him! Any one worthy to be speaking for God would've ignored the man, and blessed the people there by sharing the Word. Obviously he felt "defensive" and prove that he need not be rebuked!!

Who was the rebuker? He was on to something.......

bliss

"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it." MARK TWAIN

Yea, they want a commitee.

I guess they are trying to be a corporate entity. Save the ministry. I don't know. I heard it explained and didn't quite "get it".

For instance, Vince M is overseer at Camp Gunnison, so he should be a VP so he has authority there etc...and down the line. Then there is I think 10 new, younger cabinet members. I was hanging around before to see if they can do anything, but honesty and truth are too important for me to stay no matter what changes they make now......too late.

"There's gotta be something more, gotta be more than this, I need a little less hard times, I need a little more bliss....."

I am a much better person for having been involved because.......

I learned organizaton skills

I learned the bible( set me on a path for truth anyway).

I learned how to raise kids better(seen both sides).

I did learn how to think "positive", may be cliche but it has helped me change the outcome of many situations just based on "how I respond" to a crisis.

I have a lot more that I learned going through the truth here on GS, but that is another thread. :)-->

" I need a little less hard times, I need a little more bliss...."

Well then, there are 3 reasons for my name, but only 2 that I am ready to reveal.

#1 I USE to be ignorant......so it was blissful, (ya right).

#2. Do I have any Sugerland fans in the house?

I was constanly singing their song while going through all this "new information" here on GS, and my head was spinning, life out of control, wanted something real, tired of the lies and hypocrisy, something better spiritually for our lives...

"there's gotta be something more, gotta be more than this. I need a little less hard times, I need a little more BLISS, I'm gonna take my chances, takin a chance I might.. Cuz what I'm looking for, there's gotta be something MORE!"

it so fit and I'm stickin with it!!

#3. For a later time.........

They went from Colorado to Arizona, and lost track. Anyone know them or have info. We would like to talk to them.

bliss

Can i come? :D-->

In our exit from TWI, I am checking out other things, churches etc...

I thought I found one, non-denom, "for a change" was the motto...

So I went on their web=site to view their beliefs etc.. and it scared me!!

It said you watch "a video" about them, and then you sign a paper saying you join and then if you don't come for 6 months you get booted, and then, they went into Mattew 18 and how they handle poeple who are "sinning". I don't think I am ready for that.........................................................ever!

I need a little less hard times, I need a little more bliss....."

Thanks everyone for your input. i have read through all suggestions and will take them to heart and put them to use. I do agree to keep it simple and clear that I love them and I am NOT leaving GOD, just leaving the ministry and its RUG behind. I say rug because I think that everything they do, good and bad gets put there. Example of good:

They gave $ to the Tsunami victims.

I had to find out from someone at HQ.

It wasn't announced or prayed about. Why wouldn't they just say it, where is the $ going?

Example of bad: EVERYTHING and not just APOLOGIZING!!! Whoa what a concept!To say We are sorry for all the hurt suffering and assanine things people have done, we don't support, condone or believe in XYZ (just name it)!!! Is this so hard for them?

Obviously YES.

So I am leaving.

We did have one family member leave about a year ago. Everyone is worried that they aren't getting the blessings by "ABS", or the fire is going out. Actually for them, life has never been better....go figure.

Thanks again all, I have a lot of reading to do here, and Geeks top 10 is great, just a little outdated for me....to mention now.

bliss

"I need a little less hard times, I need a little more bliss....."