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  1. Would it be safe to say that those earlier teachings on fear and negative believing were a pretext to the demonology fixation that came later?
  2. I suppose, in a sense, one could say that wierwille was hiding his lack of credentials and God-experiences behind stories, characters, one-liners, false or shady principles..... not just demonology. Most all of us got our first exposure to wierwille via the pfal class. Some of us old-timers didn't even get to see him teach the class.... we sat in audio classes. Not having done any research on The Way International in New Knoxville, Ohio.... I plunged right in by taking the word of wow ambassadors. They said that the class was the most extensive, biblical research class ever presented. I said okay and paid my $85 fee...donation. I didn't realize that Maggie Muggins, Snowball Pete or Henry Boloco were Canadian fictitious characters stolen from Rev. B.G. Leonard's class, "Gifts of the Spirit." In fact, Maggie was quite popular in a Canadian children's radio and television series. Perhaps, its only fitting that Maggie appears in pfal..... as if wierwille is teaching little children the basics in the bible. So, wierwille didn't even have enough imagination in his brain [narcissists are lazy, it comes with the personality disorder] to create his own pfal characters? Hallmark traits of a narcissist. Stories in pfal (in no specific order): Believing for red drapes --- emphasizing positive believing Mother who fears her child's death --- negative believing Traveling salesman --- fearful of car crash, negative believing Drunk in back of church --- don't preach negative sermons Sign on billboard, "millions now smoking" --- ??? So, most all these stories were filler food....er, taught to convince us of the "law of believing." Obviously, wierwille wanted to cement this "law" into our thinking patterns by giving it such weight. In hindsight, it seems like this was one of the cornerstones NEEDED to build a faithful following....ie scare the hell out of them if they succumb to negative believing. Or, if they don't choose to give "believing" proper allegiance in one's daily life. Sure seems, now, that pfal was filled with molding us into "right character conduct" rather than teaching foundational principles in the bible. Wierwille had no credentials to stand on. No real certifiable colleges of a Bible Seminary.... just radio preachers and other men who traveled the highways running retreats and conventions. Those are the 10-12 men with whom wierwille credits his studies of biblical research were launched. These renegade preachers off the grid held sway over cult-like followers who attended their retreats, events. Wierwille patterned his ministry in this manner.
  3. Howard.... just like his mentor, wierwille. A sexually-harassing creep. On my wedding day, Howard Allen is going to walk my bride down the aisle. Martindale is the presiding minister over the wedding ceremony. Monty H0bbs is my best man. The four of us are in the back room of the BRC awaiting for the proceedings to begin. Howard had been hitting the hard stuff, because I could smell it on his breathe and noticed him slurring a bit. Anyways, as we're waiting.... he comes over to me and says, "I like running with _________ (my bride's name), because I like to watch her boobs bounce." Imagine the creep that he is.... to say this on my wedding day and he's the sleaze who will be escorting her down the aisle and "giving her away." So readers and lurkers.... just know that Howard has a flirty, harassing underbelly to his emeritus-irrelevance. Peace to all.
  4. Thanks waysider.... you're right. I remember that now.
  5. After setting markers in pfal regarding the scope of fundamental principles and holy spirit field.... wierwille and twi-leadership spent more time preaching/talking about the devil than the things of God. At first (1976-1978), I thought that wierwille was simply preparing us to understand the multi-faceted workings of our adversary. Yes, we went through the dozens of names that he is called in the Scriptures.... ie. Lucifer, Satan, serpent, Antichrist, God of this world, Prince of the power of the air, Father of Lies, Beelzebub, Belial, Great fiery red dragon, dragon, destroyer, enemy, thief, evil spirit, adversary, tempter, wicked one, son of wickedness, etc. So, with all these different names, surely God wants us to pay attention to this. But then.... I began to sense that all the emphasis on the devil had a divergent tactic.... it kept wierwille from highlighting God in his life. Even the few examples that wierwille cited in pfal were suspect. Why was no one around to witness these moments? Wierwille makes reference the closing down the fortune teller's stand at the local fair (if I recall that correctly). And, first of all.... did it really happen? Or, the revelation "white heart / black heart" story and how God was teaching wierwille revelation? I just find these sporadic examples suspect.... since I never saw wierwille operate any revelation/power manifestations in the 70's or 80's. What's up with that? With the rarity of any power manifested, did wierwille spend more time on how the devil operates to keep us from spotting his fraudster ways? After all, he couldn't spotlight his OWN LIFE as a testimony for this power of God, now could he? Thus, he and martindale go into great lengths to show how the devil operates. Same with Athletes of the Spirit....... what is more glamorized is the Devil. All the unique costume designs, the music rips and squeals, the fire bursts, the sensual gyrations, and allure. The "believers" seem bland, obedient and unappealingly faithful. No contest: the devil is glorified throughout. Just like in pfal when wierwille doesn't want someone to criticize the tie he is wearing, or his clothing.... or soon, we "get down to the bare facts!" Wierwille surely didn't want to come across as the emperor who wore no clothes. He wanted you to see what he let you see: a prominent preacher, a man of God.... not a phony counterfeit. His stories in pfal belie a deeper truth. The things wierwille was trying so hard to hide. Does anyone remember wierwille's story about the time when Howard Allen was deathly sick? The story I remember hearing was wierwille and Howard were on the motor coach coming back from an itinerary. Howard fell deathly sick. And, wierwille had trouble attending to the driving AND helping Howard to get him to a hospital or home. Anyways, not far down the road was a hitch-hiker standing alongside the road and wierwille pulled over to pick him up. This guy was instrumental in helping Howard while wierwille kept driving. Apparently, as they got near home and Howard was no longer in serious condition, the hitch-hiker asked to be let off at a certain spot. Wierwille claimed that this "guy" was an angel sent by God to minister to Howard. A phenomenon. I always pondered why wierwille didn't minister healing to Howard... if, as he taught, that gifts of healing was one of the nine manifestations. Wierwille sure gave the devil his due throughout his ministry..... and then some.
  6. Many have shared thru the years how deathly paranoid wierwille was. He was in constant fear of losing his power and control over others. Was he also afraid that his secret sins would be found out and on display for others to see? I think so. The cult atmosphere is laced with watchful paranoia: 1) Watch out for devil spirit activity, 2) Watch out that your staffers are not speaking negatives and souring on the cult's headquarter experience, 3) Watch out for internet activity, specifically on the GreaseSpot website, and 4) Watch out that your believing doesn't falter and you're out of fellowship. In other words, the system is built on fear. As the numbers shrink.... the paranoia grows. More eyes are on the little remnant that's left. The tighter they grip, the more people want to escape the bondage.
  7. On the website it says.....Watch your thoughts, they become your words. Watch your words, they become your actions. You know WHO ELSE was watching our thoughts and actions? The cult. They were watching us, molding us, indoctrinating us. Seems to me, this cute little phraseology turns deadly when a cult gains power over you. It's like a double-edged sword. Every little one-liner can "seem" good on the surface..... but in the twisted minds of cult leaders that one-liner can also be used against you. So, I don't much follow these little quips in life anymore. I like to use my critical thinking skills to get to the deeper levels of identity and self-governing. Burned by a cult will do that to you.
  8. Yeah.... so even by 1976, if the prices were doubled it wasn't that bad. Then, when twi-followers went WOW or lived in Way Homes.... the rent was split 4 ways (as an example). So, even if monthly rent doubled to $260, split 4 ways = $65 a piece. A guy could spend a lot more time witnessing when a group of youngsters ponied up their share of expenses. We could easily take those hourly-wage jobs at coffee shops, fast-food restaurants, retail stores, etc. because we were sharing the cost of expenses. By golly, you could easily work a 4-6 hour day since you came home to an apartment with no television, no cable fees, no internet services, no cell phone bill, no car payment (most WOWs didn't own a car). Walking was cheap transportation. And, witnessing was cheap "entertainment." Those were the days, my friend.... we thought they'd never end.....
  9. My point is.... that there might NOT be "multiple sources/links" because it's too hard to formulate any conclusive statement on the matter.
  10. Maybe that should also apply to all "non-profit" foundations that are set up by celebrities, retired sports figures and the like where the administrative costs and payroll fees to family members are nearly 85-90% of the foundation.
  11. And, this article might be "readily accessible" because it's pushing forward a narrative. The other side might be as equally true (lazy, addicted parents who homeschool)..... but that it's harder to detect, enforce and create a narrative around it. With the wide-range parameters of no-oversight parenthood, I highly suspect that it is just as susceptible to neglect. A journalist would have to really dig deep to go to such lengths of finding these lazy, addicted parents who could care less about their child's education or life. .
  12. But as you pointed out... some type of system of "controls" should be warranted. It's hard to think that government regulations will do much good. So many things fall thru the cracks as it is.
  13. Or, the opposite could be true as well. Lazy, addicted parents could be so undisciplined that when THEY do homeschooling.... there is little oversight and no curriculum to speak of.
  14. Sadly, you are so right, OldSkool. Our educational system is broken. It would probably be more fitting for a private school or chartered school to get their students to higher educational standards. But then, homeschooling might do just fine as well to teach your own kids these critical thinking skills. In fact, for that matter..... teaching your own kids these truths would tend to be the BEST WAY FORWARD.
  15. I agree with much of what you've posted, Rocky. To me, it seems clear that these critical thinking skills need to be taught in a Humanities or Sociology Class as a Junior Level (age 17) in high school. Yes, in college courses, educators could devise a class that incorporates these principles into a larger package.... but then, not every student goes on to college. I could see several possibilities on a class format.... but subtitles would be useful. Having a Part 1 and Part 2 series of classes would generate thought and class involvement. For example: Give a one-hour view of how society reeks of con artists, scams and fraudsters. Then devise a two-hour teaching series (Part 1 and Part 2) on subtitles....1) Deception, 2) Manipulation and 3) Exploitation. Part 1 would give examples and short-clips of deceptive practices and how they are orchestrated. Part 2 would require class involvement on how to spot and dismantle the deception in one's own life. In this manner, the 17-year old is, at least, initially aware that Deception is a common practice in the real world by companies and shady organizations. Manipulation and Exploitation would add two more power punches to this teaching series.... and then, a one-hour closing session. So, around 8-10 hours of teaching would equip our youth with the underbelly tactics of greed in the world at large. Of course, at the college level... a semester class could delve into more granular tactics to overcome one's gullibility. Even in my college Marketing Class we went thru some examples of how marketing often involves deception. One such example was the Salem cigarette commercial... where a healthy couple is pictured walking on city streets, but then lighting up Salem cigarettes in the countryside. With a diddily cute tune, the song goes...."You can take Salem out of the country, but... you can't take the country out of Salem." This song plays a couple of times thru the commercial and when the commercial comes to an end.... you hear, "You can take Salem out of the country, but..... [ding]" The song stops with the 'ding.' From a marketing strategy viewpoint, it gets the customer or potential customer to finish singing the song (in his head). Salem Cigarette Commercial in early 70's .
  16. I've been thinking about this and the question becomes... HOW do you teach, persuade or school people to NOT BE SO D@MN GULLIBLE? If you were to formulate a teaching series on helping people to overcome this... what would be your targeted objectives? Similar to teaching someone in high school how to debate effectively, how would you teach others to overcome this "gullible factor?" I have several thoughts on this, but will hold them in reserve to see what you deem necessary. Thanks in advance.
  17. This post was directed at OldSkool, not me. Other than that.....yes, kudos to OldSkool to come thru this experience with success.
  18. I think that it's safe to say that Lonnell Johnson was not going to allow himself to be caught in twi's trap. Even though he graduated in the 2nd way corps, he did not allow that to define him. Therefore, by 1977 or so he started vigorously pursuing academic achievement to strengthen his ability to break free.
  19. Yes, I noticed that as well.....NO MENTION of twi experience or exposure . Kicking off the dust of his feet and moving on.
  20. Yes, bigger churches should be playing a bigger role.... which leads us back full circle. The greed and corruption within these mega-churches has perverted the very essence of the church structure in society. Rather than a source of spiritual strength to the family unit, many of these mega-churches have become a conduit of slavish adulation and idolatry to "church leaders." It falls in the description of man-worship.... and that's not an exaggeration. These men are treated like gods.... just like the scriptures tell us. Woe to these men who flaunt God's churches to such corruption. The foundational principles to "the office of a bishop, church elder" are found in I Timothy chapter 3.... and these men have far surpassed the thresholds of God's structure. Just to name a few..... must be blameless, vigilant, sober, of good and sound behavior, not lifted up with pride, not greedy of filthy lucre, etc. Far surpassing these qualifications, the corruption is permeating society and people. God help us to help others.
  21. Yes, exactly right. Lonnell Johnson is an accomplished and competent professional. Another link.... Dr. Lonnell Johnson
  22. There seem to be multiple root causes (plural) when it comes to this area: poverty, no father-figure at home, abusive parents, extreme lack of direction, poor schooling, very little discipline, pre-teen and teen gang affiliation, petty misdemeanors, crime, etc. Since there is no home life structure, the pre-teen goes searching for "support" on the streets and elsewhere. If these support systems are not in place throughout childhood years, the problem gets exacerbated in their teen years and beyond. Seems to me, parents and society norms are failing our children. They grow up fast and they grow up mean (sounds like a Johnny Cash song...lol) and there just aren't enough support structures out there when parents fail at their most fundamental duties.... raising strong and independent children to where they can stand on their own two feet. Laws and government regulations need to clamp down on pedophilia, child trafficking, perversions, drag queen shows for kids, hard drugs in the inner cities, etc. Look to many examples in the animal kingdom and you'll find that most animals teach and support their offspring to the point of generational longevity. Whereas, many parents are too selfish, too addicted, and scrambling to stay ahead of the bills. Lots of things needed to reel in these societal problems.
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