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Rewind and review that clip again. That leg of lamb initially weighed only 12-1/2 pounds. It ultimately took 135 lbs. of wood to "cremate" that 12-1/2 lb. leg of lamb - and that was, when there was no wind blowing. (However, Arad's book claims there was a "spring breeze" blowing when the Nazi's were cremating the Jews. Again, that's his claim, not mine.) But let's do a little math. Let's say an ematiated human body weighs 10 times what that leg of lamb weighed, around 125 lbs. for example. A 125 lb. human is fairly close to what an ematiated human might possibly weigh, they could possibly weigh less. But one would likewise have to increase the amount of wood to cremate that 125 lb. body, to also ten times the amount of wood - to be fair. Mathmatically then, it would take 1,2500 lbs. of wood to creamate just one 125 lb. ematiated body, or nearly 1000 lbs. of wood if the body weighed only 100 lbs. Either way, that's almost a half a ton of wood for just one body. Question: If it would take nearly a half a ton to cremate just one ematiated human being, where did the Nazi's find enough wood to cremate 6 million Jews? The black forest perhaps? (Remember, this is the testimony of a holocaust survivor - that the Nazi's used wood for the fuel to cremate those bodies - and then also used an inflammable liquid to start the burning.) Question: Where did they store all that wood? Did they have enough space to store nearly 3+ million tons of wood to cremate 6 million Jews - or not? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see you also failed to answer half the questions from post# 341 in regards to the Zyklon gas we've been told the Nazi's used to gas the Jews. But - 1. How could they smoke in a place with vapors from a flammable and explosive gas? 2. How could all of that be done near the doors of the crematory ovens in which they were burning thousands of bodies? 3. How could they enter into a gas chamber still full of gas to handle those bodies that were also full of gas, and that immediately after the opening of the door and not kill themselves in the process? 4. How could the Nazi's devote themselves to such a gigantic job for some hours - when specialists, equipped with masks, can only remain in such an atmosphere for several minutes and on condition that they only devote themselves to efforts that do not go beyond the effort required to open windows that are easy to open? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The more one knows about the Zyklon gas (the Nazis would have exterminated and killed themselves in the process of gassing the Jews using the methods people claim they did) and the cremation process (millions of tons of wood would also likewise be needed to cremate those millions of Jews later on) the more one realizes the Holocaust legend is (regardless what people claim it is) is just that - a myth. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is a picture of a door to a "Nazi gas chamber". It is a "Nazi gas chamber door" the US Holocaust Museum claims and tells people who vist the museum it is. (It is actually an air-raid, bomb shelter door. They are banking on people's ignorance and hoping people will except it as fact and not ask any questions.) Here is picture of a real gas chamber door: But people aren't expected or supposed to know the difference between these doors (remain and stay ignorant) and simpy accept their Holocaust story as historical fact. And by all means, - don't bother asking them any REAL questions about the Holocaust!

So you wanted a straight meaning of the word Holocaust? OK. The English word holocaust is a borrowing from Late Latin holocaustum "a burnt offering," which was borrowed in its turn from Greek holócauston "something wholly bumt." In addition to these meanings, it has acquired in English the further senses of "complete consumption by fire; complete destruction, esp. of a large number of persons ... (From: Desceptive Linguistic Structures in the Phrase 'The Holocaust'). I guess we can all agree that the word Holocaust therefore means: "something burnt - more specifically, something wholly burnt". I don't have any problem with that definition if you also agree with that definition. But this is where we also disagree - because it is here where the Holocaust exterminiation story actually falls apart according to that defintion, as it is claimed (by Holocaust survivor testimony) that the Nazi's cremated the Jews on outdoor grates after they were gassed. Is that even remotely possible? OK then. Why don't we take a closer look at an outdoor cremation process? We're going to cremate a leg of lamb to help everyone better understand that outdoor cremation process. (This video helps explain and show just how physically impossible it would have been for the Nazi's to have cremated the Jews on outdoor grates using wood as the fuel to start the cremation.) We'll start out with a 12-1/2 lb leg of lamb and use 45 lbs of wood - that's close to 3 times the weight of the leg of lamb. It is also claimed the Nazi's poured an inflammable liquid over the bodies to help them burn. We've also poured gasoline over the leg of lamb to help it start burning. The Holocaust eyewitness survivor account says, "The spring winds brought with them the smell of burning bodies from the nearby extermination camps. We breathed in the stench of smoldering corpses ... We heard the clatter of the excavators for days and nights on end ... At night we gazed at skies red from the flames. Sometimes you could also see tounges of flame rising into the night ...." (From: The Extermination Machine. p.177 - by: Yitzhak Arad). Arad also writes on p.174 of the same book, "the concrete pillars were 70 centimeters high". Now we're trying to cremate just a 12-1/2 lb. leg of lamb (not a human body which would weigh much more) at a distance of only 39 cm - which is about half that distance - so cremating a 12-1/2 lb leg of lamb should be fairly easy to do - (if it is possible). Again, we're attempting to cremate a 12-1/2 lb leg of lamb, where they (the Holocaust survivors) claim the Nazi's stacked bodies to a height of 2 meters - that's quite a considerable distance - (which Arad claims) "Between 2,000 and 2,500 bodies - sometimes up to 3,000 - would be piled on the roaster." (Ibid p.175) Arad goes on to say, "The entire construction, with the bodies, was quickly engulfed in fire. ... At first a inflammable liquid was poured on the bodies to help them burn, but later this was considered unnecessary..." (Ibid p175) Is cremation in this manner even remotely possible? Is what Arad saying true? Remember, he also said "the spring winds were blowing." Watch the video, then decide for yourself if cremating thousands of Jews was really possible for the Nazi's to have done the way Ytzhak Arad claims. Cremating a leg of Lamb to Understand the Cremation Process

Oh, so now we're defining the meaning of the Holocaust? Here's a question for you. Why didn't you locate a more reliable and credible source other than Wikipedia to help you in your troubled definition of the Holocaust? Wikipedia hardly qualifies as such a source. Even college professors won't allow students to quote or use Wikipedia as a credible or reliable reference source today whenever they are writing research and/or thesis papers for reports. Allow me to present a far more specific and reliable source which clarifies the definition that you were apparently trying to make and only ended up parrotting: Defining Holocaust - A proposal. (From: The Holocaust Historiography Project) Go ahead. Keep on patronizing me. You're only discrediting the exterminists cause by continuing to do so. Truthfully, many people have already been so horribly annoyed by it that in 20 years nearly everyone will be saying, The Holocaust Never Happened! Well of course the Holocaust happened - but in a general sense that is. Because of the work of the revisionists, the questions that everyone are now asking about the Holocaust are -> how much of it happened? People are not quesioning that the Holocaust never happen - they are questioning the way the exterminits are ramming it down people's throats - all the time insisting it happened a particular way but could not have happened the way they claim. Only an idiot would say, "the Holocaust never happened" at all. But people will eventually end up saying that, but NOT because the event never happened but because the revisionists redefined this historical event. The problem the extrerminst's keep on making is they try to pretend revisionism is "Holocaust denial" but in doing so they end up discrediting themselves. That is why many people around the world today are starting to say, "Why am I surrounded by morons?" whenever they are presented with nothing but the exterminists viewpoint. Why? Because that viewpoint contradicts the laws of physics so even someone who is NOT even a revisionist scholar can even see through the hypocrasy of the exterminists using nothing more than their own reasoning and their own common sense!!! No, the Holocaust does not need to be defined. What needs to be defined is Revisionism. The word “Revisionism” is derived from the Latin word “revidere,” which means to view again. The revision of long held theories is entirely normal. It occurs in the natural sciences as well as the social sciences, to which the discipline of history belongs. The Holocaust rightfully is history, but it will end up being history re-defined. Why? Because science is not a static condition. It is a process, specifically the creating of knowledge by searching for evidence. That is the reason why the Holocaust legend (that is, the 6 million gassed to death and exterminated Jews by Nazi Germany Holocaust legend) is rapidly dying. When ongoing research finds new evidence, or when critical researchers discover mistakes in old explanations, it often happens old theories have to be changed or even abandoned. [One of those "old" theories is the Nazi "gas chamber".] By “Revisionism” we mean critically examining established theories and hypotheses in order to test their validity. Scientists need to know when new evidence modifies or contradicts old theories; indeed, one of their main obligations is to test timehonored conceptions and attempt to refute them. Only in an open society in which individuals are free to challenge prevailing theories can we ascertain the validity of these theories and be confident that we are approaching the truth. That is why in 20 years people will be saying: THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED! Yes, we WILL be saying it - NOT because the Holocaust never occurred at all, but because that historical event will have been redefined.

Liar. You were parrotting Nizkor, but I realize you are to blind to realize it. You were parrotting Nizkor in your own (and vain) attempt to defame Fred Leuchter and discredit him and his degree as an engineer. Then you went on to brag how you were even a (cough) "better scientist" than he was when you graduated from high school. The only problem is, if Leuchter were truly as dishonest as you (and Nizkor) have attempted to make him, he would have simply pocketed his fees, lied and told the court whatever the prosecution and the media wanted to hear for themselves. Of course you don't recognize the trait you've picked up - which is, tell the people whatever it is they want to hear. Typical WW. He simply tells GSC people whatever it is they want to hear because he is not capable of speaking the truth. If he ever did tell the truth it would only ruin his popularity among many GSC people.

You continue to hold to the Holocaust myth out of ignorance, just as one would hold to Santa Claus simply because they saw a picture of Santa's elves and his reindeer. The teeth and the shoes to the Holocaust legend are side points to the stow-ry, much like the elves and reindeer are to the stow-ry of Santa. BUT ... IT IS YOU who must prove the Nazi's murdered [exterminated] 6 million Jews in gas chambers at Auschwitz, because it is you who are making that claim. But you can' never do it because it's a scientific and physical impossibility for the Nazi's to have done so. (So you apparently come up with these teeth and shoe stories in an attempt to back up what is already known to be a scientific and physical impossibility)? Here are some truths about Zyklon B - "the gas" that the exterminists claim the Nazi's used to kill 6 million Jews - but they really prefer you would remain ignorant about these truths about Zyklon B. It is claimed by the exterminists that the Nazi's threw pellets of Zyklon B down the vents of the gas chambers (which we now know was impossible for them to do because there were no vents in those "gas chambers" during the war. Those vents were additions put into the bomb shelters after the war - yet the exterminists still refer to those bomb shelters as "gas-chambers"). Those who know how to properly handle Zyklon B also know that the granules of Zyklon from which the hydrocyanic gas is released are not thrown at random, they are not scattered by chance - which of course, would occur if the Nazi's had truly thrown them down "the vents." If pellets of Zyklon B were thrown at random it would be too dangerous for anyone to handle them later on. It is also necessary to assure a calculated distribution. That is why granules of Zyklon are set down on display napkins - it is not thrown down vents or piped down shower heads, or whatever other stow-ry the extermints tell you. The preparations necessary for the gassing of a place, for example a dwelling place, are long and meticulous, especially in order to obtain a good air-tightness. (Notice there is nothing "air-tight" about those Nazi "gas chambers" because they are bomb shelters - not "gas chambers"). Zyklon can be used in pressurized fumigation chambers. It is also used in the United States for the execution of a person condemned to death in the gas chamber. One must see one of these chambers and be acquainted with the process of their use in order to realize the extent to which it is difficult and dangerous to use hydrocyanic gas in order to kill even a single man. Yet - the exterminist claim this gas was vented after the Jews were exterminated in the "gas chamber". The truth about Zyklon B, (HCN or hydrocyanic acid) is this gas is not evacuated toward a chimney in the direction of the air outside; this would be too dangerous. In fact, it is driven back in the direction of a mixer where it is neutralized by a chemical base (ammonia). The acid thus gives way to a salt which will be washed away with a great deal of water. The gas could not have been vented out the ceiling of the "gas chamber" as the exterminists (and as Nizkor) claim as the Nazi's would have only killed themselves in the process by doing so. Nevertheless, the place still remains dangerous for a long time, as does the corpse. For the doctor and his aides who will have to enter the place and drag out the body, some precautions remain necessary. They will wait until a warning product (phenolphthaline) signals them that the deadly gas has been neutralized, at least for the most part. They will wear masks with special filtering cartridges. They will be wearing gloves and rubber aprons. They will wash the corpse very carefully with a jet, particularly in the mouth and in all of the folds of the body. Beforehand, the simple preparation of the gas chamber for an execution will have required two days of work for two specialized men. The machinery is relatively important. In fact, to use hydrocyanic gas to kill only one man is thus much more complicated and dangerous than one would generally imagine. The exterminist's story is the Nazi's were able to kill thousands - rather, millions of Jews with this particular gas, and they apparently did it without any complications at all and with a whole great deal of ease. This gas is flammable and explosive; there must not be any naked flame in the vicinity and, most definitely, it is necessary not to smoke. Holocaust survivors often claim they saw the Nazi's not only eat but often smoked during and after they executed the Jews with this gas. Again, if this were true, the Nazi's would have exterminated themselves in the process. When one knows all this, one is quite surprised at reading the testimonies or confessions about the use that the Germans are supposed to have made of Zyklon B to execute not just one man at a time - but hundreds or thousands of human beings at a time. The most complete of those testimonies or confessions is that of the first of three successive commandants of Auschwitz: Rudolf Höss (whose name must not be confused with that of Rudolf Hess, the prisoner of Spandau). Rudolf Höss is supposed to have drawn up for his jailers and for his communist judges a confession whose text is supposed to have been reproduced in 1958, or eleven years later, in its original language by Dr. Martin Broszat, a member of the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. That confession is known to the general public under the title Commandant of Auschwitz. First on page 166 , then on page 126 of the German edition of the book one learns this: A half hour after having released the gas (i.e. Zyklon B), they would open the door (of the gas chamber where there are several thousands of victims) and would start the apparatus for airing it out. They would begin immediately to take out the bodies. He goes on to say that this tremendous job of taking out thousands of bodies, from which they removed the gold teeth or cut the hair, was carried out by resigned and indifferent people who during all that time did not cease to smoke and to eat. (Maybe this is where Mr. Ham is getting that teeth stow-ry?) Of course that description is surprising. If those people smoked and ate, then they certainly were not even wearing any gas masks. So let me ask you these pertinent questions Mr. Ham. Let's see if you still have any logical explanations for them: 1. How could they smoke in a place with vapors from a flammable and explosive gas? 2. How could all of that be done near the doors of the crematory ovens in which they were burning thousands of bodies? 3. How could they enter into a gas chamber still full of gas to handle those bodies that were also full of gas, and that immediately after the opening of the door and not kill themselves in the process? 4. How could the Nazi's devote themselves to such a gigantic job for some hours - when specialists, equipped with masks, can only remain in such an atmosphere for several minutes and on condition that they only devote themselves to efforts that do not go beyond the effort required to open windows that are easy to open? 5. How could they, Mr. Ham, with bare hands, extract teeth and cut hair when one knows that, in an American gas chamber, the first concern of the doctor who enters into the cockpit with mask involves tousling the hair of the corpse with his rubber-gloved hands in order to expel from it the molecules of hydrocyanic gas which have remained in the hair of that corpse in spite of all of the precautions taken? 6. Who are these beings endowed with supernatural powers? 7. From what world do these tremendous creatures come? 8. Do they belong to our world which is ruled by inflexible, known laws of the physicist, the doctor, the chemist, the toxicologist? 9. Or do they indeed belong to the world of the imagination where all those laws, even the law of gravity, are overcome by magic or disappear by enchantment? Apparently you are still trying to convince me (and others) that I (and they) should believe in the Holocaust legend and the Nazi gas chamber? If you are, I reallly think one would better off believing in Santa Claus and his elves. Let me make it REAL easy for you. Here is some video footage of one of those model Nazi "gas chambers at Treblinka:" The Gassing Building Is this the door to the gas chamber?

Where did all Santa's elves come from? And those reindeer? How could Santa Claus be a fake when I've seen pictures of his elves and reindeer. How else can one explain all those toys getting under all those trees in one night. Santa Claus had to have help because one person could not cover the entire world in one single night - therefore Santa Claus must be REAL!

That's just a lousy excuse for someone not to have to deal with their sin and their own demons. They can simply put the blame on someone else and demonize them instead, because as the revisionists have stated, "There are no demons in the real world". Those with a 'victim mentality' mindset keep doing the same thing over and over again - they continue to shift the blame on someone else, yet all the while they expect a different outcome? Someone said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." I assume that you do not consider yourself a fool. But you could be sabotaging yourself by succumbing to victim mentality.

Life sure is easier when you can play the "blame game", isn't it? That's the reason you don't see too many with a "victim mentality' mindset displaying the same assets of one who displays a "champion mentality" mindset. A champion doesn't look for someone else to blame.

But then, we are to believe it somehow exuse's theirs? Of course, that's not supposed to be the point either, is it? The vicitm mentality here is so thick that anyone could easly cut through it with a knife if they wanted.

I did. See modified post# 275. (Edited to insert post#.)

Well, let's overlook the fact and not bother to mention or bring up WW parroting Nizkor without reference to Nizkor ... oh no. I am sure others didn't recognize him doing it but I did. Not many recognized him doing it simply because not many people are familiar with Nizkor's arguments. Of course, he mistakenly though I had not heard the same "Nizkor argument" he was bringing up on the Holocaust denial thread, but wanted it to appear he originatated the argument? I will thoroughly admit however, that a lot of the revisionist arguments and the reasoning behind those arguments hold a lot of universal application and truth behind them. The "reality" comment I found was appropriate and since it had an universal application I brought it up in this instance. Unfortunately I can't say the same thing for many of Nizkor arguments that they present, nor does one readily find a universal application to a lot of their reasoning... That's why I'm afraid you won't find me parroting Nizkor or "plagarizing them", much like WW has.

The basic problem you're still having is that you're subscribing to the gas chamber myth - that mystical invention used to kill the prisoners and then were searched and robbed of their valuables such as: gold teeth, rings, gold filings, etc. Again, (as previously stated) it is an urban legend born out of Allied propaganda with no real truth behind it. Also part of the propaganda used by the allies was a widely circulated photo from a film by Billy Wilder that showed a table covered with preserved human remains, including teeth, shrunken heads and what appeared to be tattoed skin and a table lamp. Of course, you never know what will turn up, but without scientific tests don't assume that just because a photo of a lampshade or soap or any other "item" is claimed to be of human origin, that it is. Perhaps you got that "384 pounds of teeth" from Nizkor? Who knows. One wonders just how much of Nizkor's material is really based in truth. Check out the "Answer Man's" response to the "gold" here: The Gold Follow it up with the shoes question you raised earlier. It discusses those "personal effects" at Auschwitz you're still struggling with: How did the piles of personal effects at Auschwitz get there?

You mean, like a marriage vow? (I really can't speak for myself to that vow or commitment as I never went Way Corps.) :unsure: Of course there are people who also see divorce as someone breaking their commitment to God. Marriage just didn't turn out to be the heaven they initally thought it would be for them.

Reality, one may note, has a certain robustness. It can be picked up and scrutinised and played with. It can be tossed about in the interplay of open debate without fear that such rough and tumble will cause it to shatter. However some people's reality tends to shatter apart when they're caught up in the "rough and tumble" of an open debate.

I finally had to throw in the towel and admit all these stow-ry's, while embodying some truth, is essentially atrocity propaganda aimed at bringing down VPW, TWI, etc. Freedom of opinion I see is more than a cliché. I see it as a necessity. Without this right to personal opinion and free expression we become more easily the victims of ideological and political tyrants and bullies. If we are not allowed the dignity of possessing our own minds and of expressing our insights to those we choose to express them to, we live an impoverished life in the shadow of tyranny. Any ban on the expression of ideas can give fraudsters a cover to hide behind.

Why do these "experiences" always have to be accompanied by a bodyguard of protective measures wherever they travel? Claims are heard " the victims" will be upset and feel emotionally afflicted by the mere possibility their testimonies may be put under the proverbial microscope and processed through the laboratory of critical analysis. The truth is: Nobody can be insulted or demeaned by a challenge to the authenticity of a valid contention. The very nature of the world of fact is that it emerges "smelling of roses" and with credibility in yet greater glory thanks to the inquisitorial process undergone. But that's simply not possible here - and definately not with "these experiences." The accusations of moral culpability undermine Christianity’s claim to be a creed of compassion. Instead of confronting the accusations with objective analysis, Christians prefer to wallow in a vague but real sense of guilt. One strongly suspects that the mindset that one is dealing with here is one lacking the spark of real critical intellect. Could it be those with a habit of asking probing questions have all jumped ship? Could it be then all that are left - are mediocrities and “yes men” ready to be taken in? Yet this ever so convenient line of reasoning can always be marshalled for any case where we believe that we are right and the opposition wrong, which one imagines would cover quite a few instances. Next time you have a difference of opinion with your spouse or partner why not try this line of reasoning? “You are wrong. You know you are wrong and are dishonestly asserting your position for an ulterior motive. Thus I am not obliged to engage in any further discussion!” The results should be interesting.

See: The Gold Teeth - Deactivating the Holocaust Hoax Reflections of a Holocaust Revisionist and Liberal, by Joseph Heaney WWII propaganda. It has to be understood that the Russian Communists and the German Fascists had a long running propaganda battle both before the Hitler/Stalin non-aggression pact and of course, after the outbreak of war. Both Stalin and Hitler were men who were capable and quite adept at propaganda, yet the vestages of our acceptance of Soviet propaganda still lingers to this day. The point is, we have a hard time realizing that Stalin's anti-German propaganda was just as virulent as Hitler's anti-Soviet propaganda, and as the victor's, the Soviets got to commit their propaganda to the history books as fact. But all charges and counter-charges made during WWII must be re-examined with the 20/20 hindsight we now have - the knowledge of Stalin's despotism and the KGB's history of mis-information and deception. This re-examination must also include the charges of genocide made against the Nazi's. The problem has been that we've had to rely on the Soviets for most of our information. If the Soviets exagerrated the number of the dead at Auschwitz, then whose to say they didn't do it at the other camps? Example: Why would they exaggerate Auschwitz by four times and then be brutally honest about Treblinka? Of course our own Army's propaganda department just didn't sit idly by and let the Soviet's have all the attrocity propaganda fun. Was “the Holocaust” intended, as most atrocity propaganda has been, to serve as an expedient which would eventually wither on the vine of human memory? Were it’s inconsistencies and absurdities gradually to be allowed exposure as it's usefulness waned? One can only surmise. Revisionism in it's essence is forensic rather than political in it's concerns. This is not to say it is without political and ideological implications. History is part of the bedrock upon which we build our subjective world of values and ideals. If it is radically revised then we may be challenged to correspondingly revise our world-view. How this revising takes place is important. When one realises for the first time the holocaust story is false one has a sense of shock and disorientation. Some even develop psychosomatic symptoms. One has to take time to again find one's ideological, political and philosophical bearings. How one integrates the new knowledge is as important as the knowledge itself. The sorry saga of the Second World War is normally narrated as a conflict between light and darkness, good and evil, between black and white. In essence the structure is that of that ancient story form; the fairy tale. There is little space for deep and subtle analysis, for varying shades of grey, for alternate modes of interpretation. It is presented as a simple conflict between good and evil. When one gains the knowledge that things were less simple than society had led one to believe there is a temptation to jump to the very opposite conclusion to the one which has been pushed so constantly and unremittingly. One jumps to the conclusion the wrong side won and one enthusiastically embraces the ideological baggage of the Nazis. In short one accepts a fairy tale equal and opposite to the fairy tale one had started out with, only now who the good and evil sides are reversed.

What about the teeth? I thought you were asking about shoes? Regardless, questions about teeth and shoes are rather ludicrous once the major portions of the Holocaust myth have been exposed, such as the gas chambers myth, etc. These questions are similar to one asking, "What about Santa's elves and reindeer?" after the myth of Santa Claus has been exposed. But the teeth and shoe stories (like the Jewish soap and lampshades stories) are stories told to help prop up the lie of the Holocaust. That is the problem with most of my generation - most have been educated by the boobs on the boob tube. They don't stop to ask exactly what is the source of those stories and the reason for the promotion of those stories. For example: The US Holocaust Museum promotes the charge Germans murdered the Jews of Europe in homicidal gas chambers. It therefore has a moral obligation to demonstrate that the charge is true. Those who contend it is more important to be sensitive than truthful about whether or not the gas chambers existed debase America's old civil virtues of free inquiry and open debate, and they betray the ideal of the university itself. For the benefit of whom? What are the facts? The Museum's "proof" for a gas chamber at Birkenau is - a plastic model imagined by a Polish artist. A plastic copy of a metal door is displayed as "proof" of a homicidal gas chamber at Maidanek. And, incredibly, the Museum has simply dropped the Auschwitz gas chamber, the basement room visited yearly by hundreds of thousands of tourists in Poland. There is no mention of the alleged gas chambers at Buchenwald or even at Dachau, where after World War II American GIs and German civilians were assured that more than 200,000 victims were "gassed and burned." The notion that eyewitness testimony, given under highly politicized and emotional circumstances, is prima facie true, was refuted by the Israeli Supreme Court when it acquitted John Demjanjuk of being "Ivan the Terrible." The Israeli Court found that eyewitnesses who testified that Demjanjuk operated "gas chambers" could not be believed! Deborah Lipstadt argues in her much-praised "Denying the Holocaust" that Revisionists ("deniers") should not be debated because there can not be another side to the gas chamber story. This is where Revisionism displays its strength. Revisionist theory, resting only on facts, can be disproved. Exterminationist theory, having fallen into the hands of "cultists," must be "believed." I'm not in disagreement with Ms. Lipstadt and her clique on the gas chamber controversy because they may be Zionists or Jews. That's disingenuous. I'm in disagreement with her over the fact that she argues against "light of day," our understanding that in a free society all ideas are best illuminated in the light shed by open debate. The Museum is so confident no one will challenge its "gas chamber" gimcrackery that it even claims to have found a new "death camp" gas chamber. Proof? The uncorroborated fantasies of one man pandering to the victim-of-Holocaust-survivor-syndrome. The Museum's historian doesn't even know where the place was. It "may have been" near Giessen. "May have been?" That's the best historical writing $200 Million can buy? The exterminist's arguments and the "proof" they provide to extend their arguments (like teeth, shoes, etc.) all come off just like VPW saying, "There must be a text somewhere that says ...."

I have also seen people claim to be sexually abused by space aliens. AND .... I really do believe they were sexually abused. WHY? Because they start to break down and get --- REAL teary eyed --- whenever they start telling their story of how this damn, @#$%^(use whatever expletive you want) space alien took them sexually and - and - and - YOU BETTER BELIEVE ME BECAUSE I SAW THEM CRY UNSTOPPABLE TEARS! Maybe someone is 'BOO WHOing" on you? ... and all the rest of that emotional outburst proves .... ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What all this story telling proves is that there are some people only interested in hearing one-sided stories by others whom we are ultimately led to believe are all the time ... how should one put it? -- while all the time one is being led to believe the other person is - Hmmmm ... just how should one put it? . Why do they make someone else out to be the demon but never themselves, of course? Because there are NO demons in the real world. (Except for those of us out here among the space aliens. We're all hiding under that "Sith Lord's" helmet!) Just where is Orson Welles when you need him? (Orson Welles gained wide notoriety for his October 30, 1938 radio broadcast of H. G. Wells' The War of the Worlds. Adapted to sound like a real news broadcast, it caused a large number of listeners to panic. Welles subsequently claimed he was exposing the gullibility of American audiences.) Yep Orson, I'd say the audience today is still very gullible - even in 2007.

And real people have come forward with stories of space aliens that sexually abused them, took them up in their flying saucer and did all that nasty stuff to them, etc. as well. Just what was the point you were trying to make?

WW and Mr. Ham apparently continue to struggle with the findings in the Leuchter report. They often quote Nizkor (even post articles from Nizkor to assist them in refuting the Leuchter report), yet four years later after it was published the Leuchter Report was confirmed by three other reports: First, that of the Krakow Forensic Institute; Then, that of the German Germar Rudolf, and finally, That of the Austrian Walter Lüftl. The most stunning of these three reports is the one from Krakow. It had been pressed for by the authorities at the Auschwitz State Museum in the hope that it would disprove the Leuchter Report's conclusions. The opposite happened and despite embarrassed explanations to try to minimize the meaning of their own tests, the authors of the Krakow report indeed confirmed - involuntarily - that Fred Leuchter was right. As a result, the exterminationists prefer to treat the report of the Krakow Forensic Institute with silence. Hey WW and Mr Ham, have you found any links to post here from Nizkor that refutes the report from the Krakow Forensic Institute? Hmmmmm, I didn't think so. As Dr. Robert Faurisson stated at the Ernest Zundel trial: "I will be prepared to believe in the Nazi gas chamber, the central pillar of the 'Holocaust' religion, on the day you can describe 'a single one of those gas chambers' to me." Sometimes I add: "But you are unable to do so. Those chemical slaughterhouses where, according to you, one could have entered with impunity to retrieve millions of bodies out of an ocean of hydrocyanic acid were a physical and chemical impossibility. One cannot describe or draw the alleged homicidal gas chamber of Auschwitz as one cannot describe or draw a square circle or a circular square." If anything, I always considered WW and Mr. Ham to be hard core skeptics - people who need tons of scientific evidence and scientific documentation before they would believe anything at all. In fact, our age believes itself to be skeptical, believing only that which it sees. It claims to be the age of television. It claims to be the age of science and technology. Yet our age still believes in a material thing of which it does not have the least material representation and never has a book, a movie or the television provided us with an image of this material thing -- The German Nazi Gas Chamber of The Holocaust! (Provided is a picture of a real gas chamber. There is nothing Nazi Germany had at any of the concentration camps during WWII that can compare to this.)

All this surmizing and you draw your conclusions based on ????????. In case you missed reading The Findings which are in the introduction of the Leuchter report, I have reprinted a copy of the initial findings here - although this is not the complete introduction from the report. I'd say it would be very hard for anyone with any common sense to come to the conclusion that Leuchter's findings are FLAWED, as you claim they are. Why? Because basic laws of physics would have to be broken to support the exterminist's point of view for one to come to the conclusion that Leuchter's findings are likewise flawed. (But then again, the exterminists don't appeal to one's common sense or reason, but to myth and emotion in an attempt to indoctrinate people with their propaganda, while all the time they are banking on people's naivete and gullibility. Of course, we be very emotional people. Holocaust exterminists bank on this fact too, as they usually end up calling anyone who strongly dis-agrees with their view of the Holocaust an Anti-Semite, etc.) ------------------------------------------------------ (From the Introduction of the Leuchter Report): The Findings: 1. Gas Chambers The results published in the Leuchter Report are the important thing. Categorically, none of the facilities examined at Auschwitz, Birkenau or Lublin (Majdanek) could have supported, or in fact did support, multiple executions utilizing hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide or any other allegedly or factually lethal gas. Based upon very generous maximum usage rates for all the alleged gas chambers, totalling 1,693 persons per week, and assuming these facilities could support gas executions, it would have required sixty-eight (68) years to execute the alleged number of six millions of persons. This must mean the Third Reich was in existence for some seventy-five (75) years. Promoting these facilities as being capable of effecting mass, multiple or even singular executions is both ludicrous and insulting to every individual on this planet. Further, those who do promote this mistruth are negligent and irresponsible for not investigating these facilities earlier and ascertaining the truth before indoctrinating the world with what may have become the greatest propaganda ploy in history. 2. Crematories Of equal importance are Exterminationist errors relating to the crematories. If these crematories, operated at a theoretical rate of maximum output per day, without any down time and at a constant pace (an impossible situation), and we accept the figure of at least six million executed, the Third Reich lasted for at least forty-two (42) years, since it would take thirty-five (35) years at an impossible minimum to cremate these six million souls. No one by any stretch of the imagination would allege (or even believe) that the Third Reich ever lasted for seventy-five (75) or even forty-two (42) years, yet they would have us believe that six million souls were executed with equipment that could not possibly have functioned, in less than one-seventh of the absolute minimum time it could possibly have taken. 3. Forensics Forensic samples were taken from the visited sites. A control sample was removed from delousing facility 1 at Birkenau. It was postulated that because of the high iron content of the building materials at these camps the presence of hydrogen cyanide gas would result in a ferric-ferro-cyanide compound being formed, as evidenced by the Prussian blue staining on the walls in the delousing facilities. A detailed analysis of the 32 samples taken at the Auschwitz-Birkenau complexes showed 1,050 mg/kg of cyanide and 6,170 mg/kg of iron. Higher iron results were found at all of the alleged gas chambers but no significant cyanide traces. This would be impossible if these sites were exposed to hydrogen cyanide gas, because the alleged gas chambers supposedly were exposed to much greater quantities of gas than the delousing facility. Thus, chemical analysis supports the fact that these facilities were never utilized as gas execution facilities. 4. Construction Construction of these facilities shows that they were never used as gas chambers. None of these facilities were sealed or gasketed. No provision was ever made to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floor or ceiling. No provision ever existed to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. No provision ever existed to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chamber. No explosion-proof lighting existed and no attempt was ever made to prevent gas from entering the crematories, even though the gas is highly explosive. No attempt was made to protect operating personnel from exposure to the gas or to protect other non-participating persons from exposure. Specifically, at Auschwitz, a floor drain in the alleged gas chamber was connected directly to the camp's storm drain system. At Majdanek a depressed walkway around the alleged gas chambers would have collected gas seepage and resulted in a death trap for camp personnel. No exhaust stacks ever existed. Hydrogen cyanide gas is an extremely dangerous and lethal gas, and nowhere were there any provisions to effect any amount of safe handling. The chambers were too small to accommodate more than a small fraction of the alleged numbers. Plain and simple, these facilities could not have operated as execution gas chambers. 5. Conclusion After a thorough examination of the alleged execution facilities in Poland and their associated crematories, the only conclusion that can be arrived at by a rational, responsible person is the absurdity of the notion that any of these facilities were ever capable of, or were utilized as, execution gas chambers. There you have it - sound, rational conclusions. But WW and Mr. Ham insist upon these findings are flawed??? If they are, then the laws of physics are likewise flawed. What we really have is a conclusion that can be arrived at by any rational reasonable person, vs. the absurdity of notions continiously made by WW, Mr. Ham, and Holocuast exterminists.

I have the Advance Class syllabus from 1991. On page 16 it only talks about: "The Great Principle" - ie. God's Spirit teaches His creation in you which is now your spirit and your spirit teaches your mind. Then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act. There is a triangle on the page and written in that trangle is "God who is Spirth" with an arrow line pointing to a circle. Inside that circle is written spirit (with a downward pointing arrow) to soul (mind) (another downward arrow) to body. There is another arrow line pointing out of that circle with 'you speak out' written above the arrow line. There's also a couple scripture references on the page, 1 Samuesl 3:1-19 and Romans 10:9-10. That's it. There's no mention about "unholy spirit" at all on this page. Which Advance class syllabus [year] do you have? Maybe they changed the syllabus over the years?

Again, we see someone slow to catch up to revisionist scholarship. The Revisionist claim is: Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination. It is true that Hitler Germany wanted to remove the Jews from the German people's "sphere of influence." The country was at war - a war largely seen as having been instigated by international banking Jewry, and Jews were seen as a corroding influence, not only financially but also racially and culturally. Hitler Germany was adamant in not wanting Jews to be part of Germany because they were held to be harmful to the fabric of an ethnically cohesive society as it was woven by Hitler. The Führer wanted the Jews "out of his face." He certainly was not fond of them. But that is where the story stops. The Talmudic twists and gyrations some of these people still go through, when "relocation" and "evacuation" of Jews suddenly become code words for "extermination", is amazing! All of this was covered in the Zündel Trials in the minutest detail and has been laid to rest forever in the transcripts of those trials - now permanent documents in the Canadian judicial law libraries! The Himmler Posen speech, to be even more specific, was the subject of lengthy analysis in the two Toronto Zündel trials. Minute detail can be gleaned in studying the testimony of German political scientist Udo Walendy and Dr. Robert Faurisson in the 1985 trial and in the testimony of Browning, Faurisson British historian David Irving and Mark Weber in the second, 1988, trial. (Again, the reference here is the Kulaszka book, Did Six Million Really Die?) Of course, a little basic research on this would have gone a long way for Nizkor. Time and again, the Holocaust Promotion Lobby counts on the naivety of the reader who is not likely to check on the facts and fine-tune his thinking on what was meant by "evacuation" and "relocation." So, did the Nazis whisper in each others ears how to exterminate millions and millions of Jews? The exterminist's would also like to make this believable. Maybe so is the Easter bunny? So now it is agreed by friend and foe alike (except by those who still need to catch up) there was no Führer order. What is still left are two incendiary words: "Final Solution" - or, the German equivalent, "Endlösung." Let's look at those. It is true that the words "Endlösung" or "Final Solution" were used in reference to the Jews. So what? Does that prove anything? Does that mean "extermination"? Does a "Final Solution" to the unemployment problem mean the government is going to exterminate all the unemployed? During the war, the phrase was used in Canada when dealing with the Japanese - and nobody claims today that Canada was planning genocidal things with reference to Orientals! In a recent television documentary about Canada's wartime policy toward Canadians of Japanese origin, documents were unearthed that talked about "The Final Solution" to the "Japanese problem" - which was relocation, denaturalization and deportation of the Japanese from Canada to Japan. This was exactly what Germany's policies were towards the Jews - for almost the same reasons. The country was at war, and Jews were seen as subversive to the government and to the war effort - just as Japanese were seen as subversive to Canadian wartime policies. In fact, Germany's policies were far less race-based and much more ideological in nature than Canada's. As a matter of fact and record, tens of thousands of Jews lived and worked in Germany during the war outside concentration camps, even in Hitler's capital, Berlin - one of them being the famous Rabbi and Zionist leader Leo Boeck, who was a practicing rabbi in 1943! If you doubt that, check the 1943 Berlin telephone book!