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  1. The PFAL Song PFAL has something just for you. It teaches you keys to unlock those doors and how to walk right through. And if you want to have a powerful life and one that's more than abundant too, Than PFAL is the class for you! (70's flashback)
  2. Rick Josey is merely presenting the same old message being preached in many chuches across America and on TV: Give your life to Jesus and he will prosper you: $$$, health, relationships, etc. It's a widely popular message in Americanized Christianity today because who wouldn't love to worship a God that is only out to bless you and make you prosperous? These false preachers never present the otherside of the coin - that is, that the true God is also out to test you - AND HE WILL! The true God tests his true worshippers to prove their love for Him. The story of Job is a prime example of that testing. When Job's life got hard and tough, where was Job's love for God? TWI taught all the difficulty and trouble Job experienced was brought on him by the devil or that the devil is always bad and that God is always good. The reason TWI fell short doctrinally here is because many people in TWI believed (many still do) that any difficulty I or you experience in life has to be due to and is brought upon us by the devil. Any difficulty or trouble you are having is because YOU don't have enough believing (or you aren't applying enough biblical principles - tithing, etc) to ward off the devil - therefore you have a "HOLE" in that "Hedge of God's Protection" yada, yada, yada. These 'spiritual counselors' in TWI in reality became no better than Job's miserable comforters. The reason they must have a "spritual answer" for everything is to make themselves look "spiritual" in their eyes as well as the eyes of everybody else. Maybe the real reason bad things happen to us is simply because, well, this isn't heaven yet - and all the "believing you put forth and the Godly principles you apply" isn't going to change that fact one iota. Heaven was made for comfort, the earth was made for testing - and the real reason for all the problems and difficulty we experience now is simply because this isn't heaven yet. Any other thoughts?
  3. I don't recall Fred Leuchter demonized himself, but there are certainly plenty of people who want to "shut him up" - just like they want to shut up: Ernst Zundel, Dr. Fredrick Toben, Paul Rassiner, Dr. Robert Faurisson, Thies Christophersen, Wilhelm Stäglich, Joseph Burg, Professor Arthur Butz, Haviv Schieber, Francois Duprat, Ditlieb Felderer, Professor Austin App, Jim Keegstra, Frank Walus, Emil Lachout, well the list goes on and on .... And all these people are demonizing or crucifying themselves because they believe a lie? (or is it because they have rejected one?) BTW... Stalin committed his worst crimes well before Hitler's major atrocities got under way. We have forgotten that Germany alone did not spark the Second World War. Germany and the U.S.S.R. jointly invaded Poland in 1939; Stalin then attacked Finland. Two years later, Britain and the U.S.S.R. invaded neutral Iran. History indeed remains the propaganda of the victors. If we keep hectoring Germany and Japan to admit guilt for events of the 1940s, is it not time the United States, Britain and Canada admit their own culpability in allying themselves to Stalin, a monster who killed over four times the number of Hitler's victims? The reason we have demonized the enemy is so our own allying with Stalin who killed: "four times the number of Hitler's victims' comes off looking holier-than-thou'. To the majority of us US citizens I believe, yes, indeed it does. But what must it appear like to the rest of the world?
  4. It seems to me the subject of debate today is whether or not "Coming back to PFAL" = "Coming back to the 'God-breathed' Word." Many PFAL grads were introduced to the keys for rightly dividing of the Word of God in PFAL. But that is where many PFAL grads stop - at the introduction. PFAL provided only a few examples and a few illustrations of how those keys to biblical interpretation worked, but it did not go into the greater depth or into greater detail on the working of those keys. I came to realize this at a 'Weekend in the Word' event shortly after I took the PFAL class in 1976. Those 'Weekend in the Word' functions took place (if my memory is correct) sometime in the late 1970's (around 1976-79 if I recall). I believe this to be correct because these weekend functions took place shortly after TWI came out with the first publication of JCING which was published in 1975. TWI was starting to take a lot of heat from the religious community, as a number of theological publications by the "religious community" were attempting to discredit TWI and VPW's interpretation of many Greek words (i.e. pros meaning = together with, yet distinctly independant of) to defend "orthodox Trinitarian" doctrine. Those "Weekend in the Word" functions were essentially my first introduction to individual biblical word studies. Sorry to disappoint a lot of the VPW critics here, but VPW didn't pull out a Webster's dictionary at the Weekend in the Word event (like many bible critics do to define their terms - or some other dictionary other than Noah Webster's) to support his own novel interpretations of the Greek and ancient biblical languages. Nope. Again, VPW demonstrated to us PFAL grads exactly HOW the Word of God - the Scriptures intreprets itself - by using the bible's OWN WORDS! You don't need a Webster's dictionary written by Noah Webster (or any other modern dictionary for that matter) to discover the truths taught in the Word of God. It will however, take a lot of your time. To see how one single word is used accurately throughout the scriptures can take hours of time. But today we don't have the time for doing any of that. Some people apparently have enough time to: "refute all that". If that is all you're into - then you will have a very hard time convincing me you know the meaning of the Greek words for heteros and allos, (just like many Greek words you think you know the meaning of) when you really don't care if there were 2 or 4 "others" crucified with Jesus Christ. If you're someone who thinks the only cross that mattered was the one Jesus was on (and that is all that matters to you - the cross Jesus was on) then you certainly don't care about the "others" (whether you think it should be the Greek word heteros or allos that ought to be used) that were crucified with Christ! What brought all of this on? Because the question apparently is, does coming back to the God-breathed Word also = coming back to PFAL? I realize people here have a very hard problem with this idea, because to them "coming back to PFAL" also implies a TON of negative things. To many here it means reading (or re-reading) a book written by VPW to perhaps even rejoining TWI, to just about anything and a combination of things inbetween. As George Lucas said while he was directing Star Wars III, "We can't go back. There is no back, there is only forward." So what does "coming back to PFAL" or "coming back to the God-breathed Word" really imply to you if there is no back or going back?
  5. Perhaps it is you who are mistaken my friend - about a great many things.
  6. Why is it that Christian extremists always present only two alternatives when a third and a right alternative exists - which of course, I presented here. WW apparently has a problem with that third and right alternative - the one dealing with "false witnesses". (But then, "false witnesses" are not at GSC according to WW. Yeah, right!) Christian extremists are also guilty of: "Demonizing the Enemy" - and presenting only two alternatives when a third and right alternative exists helps them accomplish that. I already addressed "Demonizing the Enemy" to Rascal in the "Get Over It" thread - post# 38, so I won't go over it again in this one.
  7. Sounds more like someone is purposely making VPW the so they can appear to everyone else like: and using the bible to do it. But you're not the only one doing it. I recognize it for what it is. What is it - really? This is: "Demonizing the Enemy". Evil needs a face. We make up horrific acts for which we blame our "enemy" and use them for propaganda purposes. We did it with Japan and Spain in previous wars. Emotionally-laden propaganda techniques are dangerous and incredibly destructive. They do not serve humanity, promote peace and understanding between people. They serve and promote politics. Vicious depictions have always been used to whip up support for both political and religious causes. You can not fight a war and get others to fight your war without demonizing your enemy first.
  8. WW tends to overlook the third alternative - which is, many times "eyewitness accounts and testimonies" just don't jive with the facts. He also tends to have a problem with people who recognize that as well.
  9. I wonder why some people question the way the church spends money more than the way the government spends money. A church spends 20K for a toilet while the governent spend $3000 for a coffee pot and $500 for a hammer - and the government thinks a church's spending is "out of line?"
  10. I dedicate this video to all those TV Evangelists out there who believe their God's man (or woman) and have somehow been called by God. They build their TV ministries off of people's hard earned $$$, but most people never bother to ask the very last question shown in the clip:
  11. The only problem is, there has to be a whole lot of "ifs" for her to account for to justify having all those Cadillacs, nice hotel rooms, etc. Well, that's Americanized Christianity for you. It just goes to show and to prove to people exactly what it consists of.
  12. Oh really? You could have fooled me. WW's still playing the: Judgement Game - the same ol' tune from the same ol' record ... I hate to burst your bubble pal, but we've heard that tired out song a long time ago and certainly long before WW came along singing the tune. .
  13. Microwave ovens heat the food from the inside out. Microwave ovens use a device called a magnetron tube which causes an electron beam to oscillate at very high frequencies, producing microwave (MW) radiation. Microwaves are beamed from the magnetron into the oven compartment, where they heat the food from the inside out - unlike conventional ovens, which do the reverse. Heating the food from the inside first is what gives rise to cold spots in the food - hence the need to rotate the dish constantly. A Swiss food scientist, Dr. Hans-Urich Hertel made some worrying discoveries about microwave ovens. Nevertheless, for more than a decade he has been fighting for the right to let the world know what he has found. The point that he has been desperately trying to make public is vital to consumer interests: Any food eaten that has been cooked or defrosted in a microwave oven can cause changes in the blood indicative of a developing pathological process that is also found in cancer. Nevertheless, for all this time, Hertel has been effectively gagged by the manufacturers of micro-wave ovens who have effectively used trade laws and the Swiss court to muzzle him - even to threaten him with personal ruin. In March 1993, the Canton of Bern Commercial Court, following a complaint filed by the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electro-apparatuses for Households and Industry, prohibited Dr. Hertel from publicly declaring or writing that microwave ovens were dangerous to health. Flouting the order could incur a fine up to SF5000 or even land him up to a year in prison. The Swiss Federal Court in Lausanne confirmed the verdict in 1994. The court based its verdict on the Swiss Law Against Unfair Competition, which prohibits "discriminating, untrue, misleading and unnecessarily harming statements against a supplier or his products" (Journal of Natural Sciences, 1998; 1:2-7) - a law that solely considers the inhibition of trade per se and not malicious intent. That law effectively muzzles the Swiss press as well, as any statements which could be viewed as critical of microwave ovens could easily lead to litigation. The view of the Swiss on Dr. Hertel's findings are not shared by the rest of Europe. In August 1998, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the gag order issued by the Swiss courts against Dr. Hertel was contrary to the right of freedom of expression. The European Court also ordered Switzerland to pay a compensation of SF40,000. Despite his victory, which is two years old, Dr. Hertel is still waiting for the Swiss courts to reverse their earlier decision and lift a SF8000 fine against him. In the meantime, his explosive discoveries are being corroborated by evidence cropping up here and there all over the world. (Source: Microwave Ovens, A recipe for Cancer.) Even after I learned all this, do you think I am going to throw out my microwave oven because of it? (Maybe if I were still in TWI and fearful of all those cancerous: "microwave devil spirits!")
  14. Frankly (and truthfully) speaking, we haven't seen a whole lot of evidence presented, but we all certainly have heard a whole lot of other people's stow-ries. Man oh man, those ***damn space aliens are everywhere committing all those evil deeds! People change because of what they learn due to hard and factual evidence being presented to them - not other people's stories presented to them. Anybody can make up and tell you any kind of stow-ry! Some people call it revisionism, others will call it denial. (The Holocaust issue being a good example here. Some is based on hard and factual evidence. The rest is based on other people's stow-ries.) After the hard and factual evidence is presented (and little to none is ever presented at GSC) it's those who refuse to change who are living in denial. BUT --- it's going to take more than other people's tales (could be their "tails") and stow-ries to change us!
  15. One of the major complaints about microwave cooking is that microwave cooked food "changes" the nutrients in the food, and because of this, many changes take place in the blood of those who also consume microwaved food. It is said that these are not healthy changes, and these changes can cause a rapid deterioration in the human system. A study was conducted to determine the effects on microwaved nutrients and their effect on the blood and physiology of humans by Hans Hertel, a food scientist who worked with major Swiss food companies along with Tom Valentine, who published the results in Search for Health back in the spring of 1992. Blood samples were taken from participants at defined intervals after they ate a number of milk and vegetable preparations that were cooked in a microwave oven. Significant changes were found in the blood of the volunteers who consumed the food prepared in a microwave. Also in 1991 there was a lawsuit brought up in Oklahoma where a woman, Norma Levitt who was having hip surgery ended up being killed by a blood transfusion after a nurse warmed the blood in a microwave. Blood for transfusions is normally warmed, but not in microwave ovens. Many people today assume heating up food is all there is to microwaves, and therfore it really doesn't matter what technology or the mode of heating one chooses to do that. But in the case with the warmed blood by the microwave oven, there could be more to heating with microwaves than what we've been led to believe. The majority of people today I believe think that only the "health nuts" are concerned with the value and quality of nutrition, and it is they who have discerned that there is a widespread problem with microwaved food.
  16. Genuine Christianity is like the Hotel California. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
  17. The very next verse says: (Matthew 5.29) If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. The next thing people will probably be saying is, "Guess that 'plains Wierwille's glass eye!"
  18. Interesting. One can critize them, slander them, defame them in writing (on the Internet and in newsprint) - accuse them of doing all sorts of evil deeds and TWI turns a deaf ear, ignores what you say and won't take any action against you. However you start up your own ministry and call it: The Way (or something suggesting your ministry is The Way) and their lawyers will be on you in a New York Minute! I guess that tells you where their real priorities lie.
  19. The "diesel gas" story has also been debunked - and with a lot more ease then the Zyklon gas stories I might add. Many Holocaust claims have been abandoned, the diesel gas story being one of many. For example: At one time it was alleged that the Germans gassed Jews at Dachau, Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany proper. That part of the extermination story proved so untenable that it was abandoned more than 20 years ago. No serious historian now supports the once supposedly proven story of "extermination camps" in the territory of the old German Reich. Even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." (Books and Bookmen, London, April 1975, p. 5, and in Stars and Stripes (Europe), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 14.) The results published in the Leuchter Report are the important thing. Categorically, none of the facilities examined at Auschwitz, Birkenau or Lublin (Majdanek) could have supported, or in fact did support, multiple executions utilizing hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide or any other allegedly or factually lethal gas. Based upon very generous maximum usage rates for all the alleged gas chambers, totalling 1,693 persons per week, and assuming these facilities could support gas executions, it would have required sixty-eight (68) years to execute the alleged number of six million persons. This must mean the Third Reich was in existence for some seventy-five (75) years. Promoting these facilities as being capable of effecting mass, multiple or even singular executions is both ludicrous and insulting to every individual on this planet. Further, those who do promote this mistruth are negligent and irresponsible for not investigating these facilities earlier and ascertaining the truth before indoctrinating the world with what may have become the greatest propaganda ploy in history.
  20. Oh so we're still trying to discredit Fred A. Luechter's degree? I wonder why you haven't bothered to bring up and mention (and likewise discredit) Simon Wiesenthal's (ahem) engineering degree? In his 1948 interrogation, Wiesenthal declared that "between 1939 and 1941" he was a "Soviet chief engineer working in Lvov and Odessa." (Interrogation of S. Wiesenthal, May 27, 1948, pp. 1-2). Consistent with that, he stated in his 1949 declaration that from December 1939 to April 1940 he worked as an architect in the Black Sea port of Odessa. But according to his autobiography, he spent the period between mid-September 1939 and June 1941 in Soviet-ruled Lvov, where he: worked "as a mechanic in a factory that produced bedsprings." (The Murderers Among Us, p. 27.) Wiesenthal's reputation as a moral authority is undeserved. The man whom The Washington Post has called the "Holocaust's Avenging Angel" (Quoted in: M. Weber, "'Nazi Hunter' Caught Lying," The Spotlight (Washington, DC), Oct. 26, 1981, p. 9.) has a little known but well-documented record of reckless disregard for truth. He (Simon Wiesenthal) has lied about his own wartime experiences, misrepresented his postwar "Nazi-hunting" achievements, and has spread vile falsehoods about alleged German atrocities. But let's not bring up and discuss or discredit the "engineering degree" of this "Holocaust Angel" - Simon Wiesenthal. We would rater discuss (parrott the Holocaust Promotion Lobby) in an attempt to discredit the engineering degree of Fred A. Leuchter whose findings have been verified over and over by numerous engineers with impeccable degrees. Unfortuantely, the same can't be said for Simon Wiesenthal in regard to his "engineering degree".
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