What The Hey

It appears 1 Corinthians 6:5-6 no longer applies to TWI.

I don't believe VPW was the first one to bring up the dilemma. Claudius Buchanan beat him to the punch and already sparked a eight year debate over the issue. The star in the east: the controversy over Christian missions to India, 1805-1813.

You mean - this isn't someone tooting their own horn here? I say: Spare us from that self-righteous administration of justice you've hidden under the American Flag for yourself! God spare us all from that lynch-mob, vigilante, phylospical justification of someone possessing superior virtue and thus becoming for themselves the imago dei (the image of God) on earth!!! And you're trying to convince people here your moral standard is better than theirs? No thanks. We had quite enough of that "moral standard" when we were in TWI!

That helps seal in the juices.

I didn't say I never held any positions at all. I just said I didn't have any positions currently open (big difference to what your talking about) as I don't prefer to trade the market counter-trend if I can help it. I am not saying one can't make money trading the market counter-trend, just that one takes on and assumes more risk by doing so. If you're a short term trader in the market, (i.e. a day-trader or a swing trader) the technical indicators are more important and critical than the fundamentals. But frankly, I don't know of any trader (day-trader, swing trader or even position trader) who went broke closing a position they had and thereby booking a profit.

Is your brain sprained chemically, or are you still going to play the victims card? Cause years spent on God’s trampoline have bounced your a$$ around too hard? I can’t provide the puzzle piece but I can contribute just a shard Do you try to forget your pain or do you try to face the scar? Patiently I wait for you to be the one Whose bigger than the gun you're always loading Would you spit out your pride like a chicklet If it meant that you could get at the truth that was in yourself?

All those alcoholic apples you say we must impeach - from a mind so filthy that it could stain bleach. But hey, I'm sure you're going to tell us you once made a woman orgasm with your mind. Of course, you can't do it anymore otherwise all the women here would still be screaming: OH GOD! OH GOD! OHHHH GAWWWWWWD - OH-OH-OH-MMMMMMMMMM!!! Thank you for your nice advice, but you really should put all of those special messages on a CD. I sure would like you to give me that CD because I don't feel like getting my Ambien prescription refilled.

Why should anyone go back and read through all that malarky? I guess there probably are some people who do though - people who want other people to make up their minds for them. Some people don't mind, and as the old saying goes, if you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Since when does somebody else's "actual errors in PFAL" thread and their skewed viewpoint and bias about PFAL have more authority than what is actually in PFAL itself?

Hebrews 6:9,10.

I am not holding any open postions in the market so I am not worried that the market is currently down. It's too early to declare we are in a bear trend as nearly all the major indexes (the DOW, NASDAQ, S&P 500 & AMEX) are still strongly bullish, they're not bearish yet at all. Rather I see an opportunity to go long again here very shortly - i.e. buy low - sell high. Well, if your a short term trader (a daytrader or a swing trader) you might want to close your positions or at least tighten your stops if you are currently long in the market and have any open positions in the market today. On the other hand, if you want to trade the market today and short the market, then I recommend you use a lot of caution. The overall market (the broadmarket) is still to bullish to trade it counter-trend. (Remember the sound stock advice adage - the trend is your friend.)

What you are refering to above are known as "futures" - they're not options, as far as my understanding of options goes, that is, if you are currently buying and selling (or trading) the commodities market - for example: corn, wheat, coffee, etc. I thought what you were initially refering to beforehand were stock options, not futures or even options in the commodities market. I guess all the cornfussion is, these are two entirely different asset classes which use the same words and terminology (future options / stock options) but then again, these are options that are not even close to being the same thing. There's a world of difference between the stock market and the commodities market, and it is easy for one to become confused when both markets use the same terminology. I am not familiar with future options as much as I am with stock options (however I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are probably similarities between future options and stock options) as I have not actively participated in the futures market, only the stock market. A stock option is a contract giving the buyer the right, but not the obligation, to buy or sell an underlying asset (a stock or index) at a specific price on or before a certain date (listed options are all for 100 shares of the particular underlying asset). An option is a security, just like a stock or bond, and constitutes a binding contract with strictly defined terms and properties. The problem most people have is they don't realize there are similarities as well as differences between stocks and options. The similarities between stock and options are: both are securities, and options trade like stocks with with buyers making bids and sellers making offers. Options are actively traded in a listed market, just like stocks. They can be bought and sold just like any other security. However some of the differences between owning options over actually owning the shares of a security are: Options are derivatives, unlike stocks (i.e, options derive their value from something else, the underlying security). Options have expiration dates, while stocks do not. There is not a fixed number of options, as there are with stock shares available. Stockowners have a share of the company, with voting and dividend rights. Options convey no such rights. For example: If you were going to buy 100 shares of ABC at $29/share then your initial investment would be $2,900 for purchasing 100 shares of ABC outright. However if you purchased an option contract (1 option contract typically represents 100 shares of an underlying security) then your intial investment would be far less than the $2,900 you would be making purchasing the underlying security. The reason options are so attracitive is, you are purchasing a contract giving you the right but not the obligation to buy or sell an underlying asset, which is considerably far less than purchasing the security itself. Technically speaking there are only two types of options, Call options and Put options. A Call Option is an option to buy a stock at a specific price on or before a certain date. In this way, Call options are like security deposits. You may already be familiar with options without realizing it. If, for example, you wanted to rent a certain property, and left a security deposit for it, the money would be used to insure that you could, in fact, rent that property at the price agreed upon when you returned. If you never returned, you would give up your security deposit, but you would have no other liability. Now when it comes to purchasing stock options, when you buy a Call option for example, the price you pay for it (called the option premium) secures your right to buy that certain stock at a specified price, called the strike price. If you decide not to use the option to buy the stock (and you are not obligated to) your only cost is the option premium. Put Options are options to sell a stock at a specific price on or before a certain date. In this way, Put options are like insurance policies. If you buy a new car, and then buy auto insurance on the car, you pay a premium and are, hence, protected if the asset is damaged in an accident. If this happens, you can use your policy to regain the insured value of the car. If all goes well and the insurance is not needed, the insurance company keeps your premium in return for taking on the risk. I hope this clears up and clarifies the earlier misunderstanding between shares and stock options.

I wouldn't recommend option investing for the novice investor based on the fact options are a decaying asset. Options expire the 3rd Friday of every month so you are out the price you paid for the option if you don't buy or sell (redeem) the option before it's expiration date. Of course, one can buy options that have 2-3 years to expiration, but then, one pays a hefty premium for those type of options. The closer you are to the expiration date, the less valuable the option becomes. By implementing good technical analysis from following the chart of the type of security you hold will indicate to you when one should redeem the option. Being a stock trader I don't subscribe to the "buy and hold" strategy - especially with options. A professional trader won't (they shouldn't) commit more than 2% of their stock portfolio to options investing anyway. That is why being diversifed to me means something entirely different than what it does for most people. For most people, being "diversified" simply means having your money invested in many different stocks in different industry groups. However, what most salespeople from most investing firms won't tell you is this - that is: buying and holding and being diversified is an extremely weak investment strategy unless one knows beforehand they are putting their investement dollars into fundamentally sound stocks inside industry groups that are starting to rotate into favor due to heavy institutional investing. Don't misunderstand, because that is not really a bad investment strategy if one is putting their investment $$ into fundamentally sound stocks to begin with and they are subscribing to services that provide them with this type of financial data. But most people that you hear about who end up losing their investment leave this activity up to those "financial guru's" (the salespeople of the investing firm) rather than take this education upon themselves. Their reasoning is it is too costly and/or time consuming for them to do so. Of course, that is what those salespeole want you to believe it is - because it works in their favor not yours. That is primarily the biggest reason why most people end up losing their investment.

Because the king who is here already knows that: All the women in the kingdom belong to the king.

I heard about a pig that got raised from the dead. The story goes someone needed to sell the pig for $ to attend the ROA, but then the pig died so they raised it from the dead so they could sell it for $ to attend the Rock. Well, if you're refering to yourself ...

For all you Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven lovers out there - (Stanley Jordan gets really good half way through):

I thought this thread was about the early music in TWI but apparently I am wrong. ChasUFarley started the thread asking: "What was it once - It's not just the music that's a turn on, but knowing that you know ... the passion of the Word ... What it was ... was really something once." But there is always someone here willing to kick that "dead horse" back to life while blaming other people's inability to heal on the sins of VPW simply because they believe ... The question in the back of everyone's mind now is - have his sins become magnified or exaggerated? Your argument is as credible as that "shaved ape baby" newlyweds Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden adopted to make their "gay-family" complete. I say it makes no difference whether one magnifies or exaggerates the sins of VPW or anyone else for that matter - it's still a shaved ape baby! Now let's stand back and watch how the animal rights activists here become outraged over that adoption, concerned that this upbringing at the hands of these fugitive terror kingpins will "leave young and impressionable "Robert the shaved ape psychologically scarred for life". (i.e. unable to heal.) Was this really about "the music" to begin with? YOU decide. Some people apparently think so. Pop singer Michael Jackson has spoken out against the bizarre adoption while assuring the public all three of his shaved-ape babies are safe at home in their cribs. Meanwhile, a spokesman for Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore said the Osama-Saddam incident has no connection with their own decision to adopt a shaved-ape baby. Your: "World Weekly News" article goes on to describe God as being about six feet tall, caucasian and "neither skinny nor fat." The Lord, however, could not be reached for comment on Osama and Saddam's shaved-ape baby. So why is the "sins of VPW" issue raised? My oh my - HOW GAY OF YOU!

The only problem is you think your IMO opinion is good enough to teach other people a lesson. I’ve got news for you. You're not the only person who considers their opinion more relevant and above somebody else's. But let me tell you what your opinion says about you. It says you are making a complete a$$ of yourself deciding you’re the expert on Dr. Wierwille. But you aren't the only one out there making an a$$ of themselves over him. Some people never met the man and they now think they know everything there is to know because they were easily swayed by some jerk's opinion of him. I on the other hand did meet Dr. Wierwille on a number of occassions, and I still don’t claim to be the expert on him like many out there on the internet claim to be and what they want others to believe. There is this one thing I learned about Dr. Wierwille after I met him, and what I learned was good enough for me. That is, Dr. Wierwille didn’t give his life to drivel down to morons like those who attack him do. I am sure there are people who will respond to this post with a snappy comeback which I can expect from them. But only a fool draws a snap judgment so don’t expect a snappy comment in return as I am addressing my remarks to talk to intelligent people – not morons! Just what lesson do they hope to teach us by their coward's attack? Do they want us to respect their cause? - They just damned their cause. Do they want to make us fear? - They just steel our resolve. Do they want to tear us apart? - They just bring us together. I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know the truth, as you, I think do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble because there will always be recrimination - even among those on the inside. There will always be someone’s accusation and finger pointing to determine just whose failure allowed this thing or that thing to happen, and what can be done to prevent it from ever happening again. The steel inside us is not readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us. So I ask you again - what is it that you hope to teach us by your highly over-inflated opinion and your cowards attack? It seems to me you just want us to know the depth of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. But take this message in return: We are not about trying to recapture the past or trying to recapture the good-old-by-gone days with our heads filled with nostalgia. No! We are looking forward to the future which our God has in store for us. If Dr. Wierwille’s life and ministry stood for anything, it stood for integrity in every breath of Christian living! Please don't misunderstand. I am not here to "toot Dr. Wierwille's horn" by proclaiming or suggesting he is/was the perfect example to follow because he was always perfect at it - but only that he strove to do so. I know that is what he did - because that is what he taught us to do. That is why you don’t know us or the truth! You don’t know what we are capable of, and you don’t know what you’ve started. But you are about to learn!!

Why should it matter one iota to you whether or not Oldiesman adjusts his perceptions of TWI? What benefit is it to you if he does or if he doesn't - other than the fact it proves you have an agenda to twist other peoples perceptions. It seems to me Oldiesman has no difficulty maintaining his perceptions of TWI, other than the fact that his perceptions of TWI bothers you as well as some others here. It suggests that your own perceptions of TWI (as well as theirs) may be incomplete and require adjustment - especially when his perceptions of TWI apparently bothers you (and them) all this much - even to the point of even starting threads about it. Again I ask, What benefit is it to you if he does or if he doesn't?

I was always under the impression the Moonies got the idea from TWI but then it's hard to say. Both the Moonies and TWI were into mass weddings in the late 70's. At the time I thought - Oh great! Here's another reason for the rest of the world to look upon us (TWI) as another "flaky religous" outfit. I was offended TWI was starting to act and look like the Rev. Sun Myung Moon group and I was convinced people would think we (TWI) were no different than the Moonies when in fact we were. Perhaps the Moonies came up with the idea first. The Moonies mass weddings got more attention by the media than TWI's, just because it was a much larger crowd. Perhaps that means there are even more flakier people out there than those in TWI?

Some of the quotes in the Life Lines book (from TWI) are not original quotes by VPW. Some of the quotes in the book were quotes made by Emerson and also by Will Rogers I believe. Of course, the Life Lines book makes mention that VPW loved to read Ralph Waldo Emerson and Will Rogers and that's likely where he got those quotes from. Those quotes by Emerson and Rogers were just re-worded to fit Way-speak terminology. Just off the top of my head, the quotes: The media can take a lie and get it around the world before the truth can put its shirt on and A teaching should be like a women's dress - long enough to cover the subject but short enough to keep it interesting are not VPW originals. It is hard to make a case VPW plagarized these quotes - other than the fact some quotes are re-worded to fit Way-speak. In the Preface of Life Lines, LCM and VPW were flying home on Ambassador One to TWI and VPW made this comment to LCM: "Maybe you ought to think about putting a book together, son, made up of short statements I've spoken over the years which have blessed people." That was the end of the subject. ... Pithy succinct, crystallized statements of depth and resonance were not only admired by Dr. Wierwille, but utilized and developed. He developed the art form of teaching with that style - not generalizing, but speaking to the core of an issue of truth in a vocabulary and manner that encouraged the listener to savor, decide, believe, act, and understand. (From Life Lines, p.ix and viii) The Preface also states: "Our goal has been to make all aspects of this collection underscore the heart of the quotations-words which display Dr. Wierwille's great understanding of God and His Word, his penetrating insight into people and life, and his unique motivational ability to inspire people to move to higher planes of living. Many people helped to produce Life Lines, but first of all I want to thank every person who recalled, wrote down, and sent in the quotations which moved them. Without you, there would be no book." (From Life Lines, p.xi) Those who still want to make a case of VPW plagarizing other peoples works need to stop and re-consider this was a collaborative effort - which included others - it may have even included them. Some people still got their finger fixed on accusing VPW of plagarism, but have forgotten they have 3 fingers pointing back at themselves. Oh - you mean to tell me the PFAL series wasn't a collaborative effort with others, only Life Lines was? Whose kidding who? After all, without you there would be no book. (It just seems to me that book is still being written here...)

Does anybody know what keyboards are really being used in Way Prod? I don't know of any keyboard manufacture who calls their keyboard: The Present Truth.

No. Jesus did not speak Greek. That is/was Dr. Lamsa's position and that is likely where VPW learned that. The remark about VPW not being a bible scholar because he thought the original was written in Aramaic is about as ignorant as one could get - especially when one considers Dr. Lamsa's credentials. (The next thing we'll probably hear is how VPW plagarised Lamsa. It wouldn't surprise me when people push their ignorance off on others who don't know any better themselves.) This information about Dr. Lamsa is found here: Historical Backgrounds of the Holy Bible: Eastern Text Dr. Lamsa was trained at the Archbishop of Canterbury College in Iran and Turkey under the strict care of scholarly and brilliant Cambridge and Oxford men. He was awarded the highest honors and degrees that that college conferred and received the honored title of "Rabbi". He studied extensively in American schools including the Episcopal Seminary in Alexandria, Virginia, and pursued endless years of study and research in the field of Biblical scholarship based on the Aramaic. His numerous volumes and translations have been enthusiastically received throughout the East. His translations of the New Testament, in 1940, is based on the oldest surviving texts (sources) in existence, that were preserved in Turkey and Iran, that were preserved in Turkey and Iran by the ancient Christians commonly called "Nestorians". Lamsa is the first man from the East to start Aramaic research and to point out that the Scriptures were originally written in Aramaic and not in Greek, and that the "Pedangta" is an original. Lamsa's translations are based on the nine surviving, ancient, original Aramaic texts, which have never been revised or tampered with. [One can't say that about the Greek or the common Koine Greek - one of the main reason why we have so many different (and confusing) bibllical translations today.] He spent more than thirty years on the translation of the New and Old Testaments. Lamsa spoke eight other languages and served as translator on numerous occasions for governments and important institutions. The Aramaic Bible Society appears to have been divinely chosen to be the medium of officially presenting to America and to the world not only this major prophet but the works of the Yonan Codex Foundation and it's continuing work with another ancient Aramaic document, the Khaboris Codex, another ancient Aramaic New Testament manuscript under the aegis of Dr. Dan MacDougald, Jr., and The Laws of Living Institute of Albany, Georgia.

I believe that the Roman Catholic church already beat the LDS church to the punch on that claim.

I always wondered what happened to that "Woman of God" statue that was at the Rock on display back in the late 70's or early 80's. (Come to think of it, it was a nude.)