GrouchoMarxJr

It's funny how twi always INSISTED that we wear those damn name tags. It was a no brainer, even at the time, that the name tag was nothing more than an ego feeder and a cause for division. The "haves" and the "have nots".

I believe that the entire "cast system" of twi was represented by those damn name tags. Everyone got to see at what level of the tree you had climbed by reading the tag. I guess because there was a total lack in real spiritual maturity, ther had to be SOMETHING in which to gauge how high you had climbed the tree. If the vessel is empty inside, you have to "spruce up" the outside for appearances sake.

Another good example of false twi doctrine. Of course all sins are not the same! Veepee made it up as he went. If all sins are equal, why were there different penalties for different sins in the old testament? A lot of what the cornfield preacher said was totally illogical and was contray to the bible. That's why so many established Christian organizations called us a cult...we were.

C'mon now...who really believes that Rosie is the top banana? Did lcm hand pick her to be a figure head while he is a "leader in exile"?

Is lcm really living on twi's nickle still? Why is his wife still allowed to live at headquarters? Is he sending in "secret instructions"? Why did twi get rid of veepee's class when he died but they keep lcm's class even after he's been defrocked?

I find it hard to believe that the brainwashed minions of twi would get rid of the MOGFAT based on a legal wrangle. I say let's smoke this creep out of the woodwork and chase him down the streets like the torch carrying villagers after the Frankenstein monster.

I remember very well listening to veepee go on and on about how it was being built for the corps.

I also remember lcm deciding to take it for his own. I felt that lcm was off on an ego trip and being very selfish....I was right.

dmiller... actually they DID think we were a bunch of idiots. Once we pinned that freakin' nametag on, they had us. Fortunately, most of us walked out of zombieville and figured out a way to recover. Others, like Mike, are still in a trance.

Yeah, the Elvis story is true. I believe that it was during the ROA that Elvis died and a certain rev. told me that veepee had declared that satan chose the time of Stevie Kays first solo album to kill Elvis because there had been talk about "reaching" out into the secular realm with her album. I guess because there was a sudden demand for Elvis records, the record company that was going to produce Stevie Kays album backed out of the deal in order to make more Elvis records. It's amazing how those stories used to spread.

Yeah, I remember the story about the phone booth :D-->

There was also a story about how veepee traveled from camp Gunnison to Denver in 5 minutes! There was a major snowstorm (another snowstorm story ;)-->...and of course the mog had to get to Denver to teach. Naturally, an angel showed up and whisked vic away (not exactly sure about the method of travel but I vaguely recall something about "he was transported!").

I find it a great source of amusement thinking about these things. When I realize that I actually believed these stories, I laugh so hard that I scare my dogs.

Did vic abuse her in public? I guess it depends on how you define abuse.

In public he put on quite a show. He "fawned" over her, calling her Dottie. I doubt that he had even a sliver of the affection for her that he pretended in public to have. It was always about him...not her. He wanted to have this image of being a loving, caring, adoring, and doting husband, who put her on a pedistal. It was an act. Just one more con by the huckster vic. He was an extremely selfish man who always had to have the spotlight on himself.

IMHO Dottie was abused in public by the sheer act of veepee's charade. He used her like a prop. She must have seen the hypocracy and felt used. Afterall, how can you feel like your on a pedistal when old vics out in the motorcoach with his young female "corps kids"? I suppose she kept up a front for him because she was a "dutiful" wife...whatever that is. Don't forget that vic was fired from his preaching job at the church (early on)...for his sexual exploits. This was no new revelation for Dorthea, she knew where she stood early on.

I think she was sorta like Don Corleone's wife in the first Godfather movie. She lost herself in raising the children and keeping the house. Vic demanded that she keep her nose out of his business and be happy being the "first lady". Afterall, all the women in the kingdom belong to the king. Even as all of us, who kissed the ring of the "great man"...she also was abused in her own unique way.

Good luck Pj...I'm always glad to see someone stand up against those miscreants.

Funny as it may seem, the idea of resurrecting old waycorps recipes makes me want to barf.

Ok, I think I got it straight now. Because there was a lot of ice in outer space, Eve decided that she liked girls more than guys and she pulled the devils finger in order to illustrate the diabolical methods in which demons can smell up a room. Furthermore, the words spirit and wind are one and the same... indicating that to walk by the spirit is the same as farting into the wind. That would certainly explain the strange smell in the air at Emporia. This is all finally coming together for me.

veepee, lcm and geer all traveled together in a golden chariot straight through the center of the sun, protected only by their sunship rights.

God showed veepee the "third heaven and earth" in a mighty vision.

speaking in tongues for one hour is equal to getting 8 hours of sleep.

Satan killed Elvis because he knew that everyone would go out and buy his records instead of Stevie Kays new album.

I don't blame anyone for selling twi books on E-bay and making a few bucks but as for me...I burned them all on Uncle Hairy day!

In the overall scheme of things, preacher vic and his band of scoundrels don't amount to a pimple on a frogs a$$.

In the mid eighties when twi started making a big deal out of who was giving how much (on the dreaded blue forms)...I decided to start giving anonymously. When confronted by leadership, I asked the question..."If God knows what I'm giving and twi is getting the money, then what's the problem?" I got a lot of blank stares but no answers.

I eventually received a call from the damn limb leader informing me that if I didn't "take credit" for my abundant sharing on the blue forms, that I would not be recognized and "esteemed highly" for my labor of "love". I informed him that I would take my chances on God giving the increase in my life and I would not worry about the accolades of men. He told me that I was making a "spiritual mistake".

I then highly encouraged all in my home fellowship to also give anonymously, challenging folks to make their "abundant sharing" a personal matter between them and God, as to not live in the eyes of other people. When word of this got out, I was relieved of my twig leader duties. When I stood up at a leaders meeting and challenged them with "the word"...they all just looked at their shoes and remained silent. The next day the entire branch was notified of my devil possession and were warned to stay away from me. I guess threatening their system of appropriating funds was hitting a little too close to home.

Actually, I think RFR looks more like a diseased Janet Reno.

Ever notice that when twi required us to give something to them, it was always something TANGIBLE?...but the "benefits" we supposedly received from them were always NON-TANGIBLE? Give us your money and we will give you "spiritual enlightenment", etc. The same worked in reverse also...The "consequences" for not obeying them were also NON-TANGIBLE. It's easy enough to say that someones possessed...can you say "applebutter"?

The truth of the matter is that if there even IS such a thing as "devil possession", twi has lost all credibility in making that judgement. Their sophmoric approach to biblical interpretation fails to stand up to even a cursory glance. My guess is that if lcm is not possessed, then nobody is.

Twi discouraged it's members from giving to charitable causes. They taught us that giving to organizations other than twi was "good" but it was not "best". "Good" was the devils counterfeit for "best"...therefore if you gave anything to another organization, you were being tricked by the devil.

Oak...It was always assumed that the rev's had a "gift ministry"...while the non-rev's didn't. It was just one more subdivision of "haves" and "have nots" that twi utilized in order to control and manipulate.

I could be wrong about this but I think that when lcm began spewing his "grease spot by midnight" blather, he was actually quoting from a comic book. That's right, a comic book.

During the 60's and 70's Marvel comic books featured the "Fantastic Four". One of the heros was a grotesque "orange guy" named "the Thing" He was prone to using such phrases as "it's clobberin' time" and "you couldn't scare a second hand Barbie doll", etc. One of his most used phrases was "you'll be a greasespot by midnight"!

I'm sure that martindale related very much to the "neanderthal, always ready for a fight" metality of "the Thing". As lcm read the writings of Stan Lee, he probably said... "YES!"

Often times when watching him spit all over his audience, spewing out platitudes of ultimatums and "flowery" language...I would be reminded of this Marvel comic charector. (I was a big fan in junior high).

I'm quite serious. The greasespot by midnight thing really was used a LOT in Marvel comics. I'm guessing that lcm was HEAVILY influenced by Stan Lee's writings...knowing lcm's personality and low intellect...it fits.

Who remembers when Veepee used to introduce Howard Allen as the greatest Christian layman in the world? Isn't this the guy who was trained to catch Vics suitcoat when he tossed it offstage? Bus driver and pimp?

I don't know, maybe because it's after 2am and I'm a little giddy, but this just really hit my funny bone tonight. Can you imagine? We believed it!! Looking back, if Veepee said it, we probably would have believed that Ermal Owens was the 5th Beatle too. Time to go to bed.

This should be good for some chuckles. Remember how twi leaders would often speak in superlatives, when it came to various aspects of life and culture. For example:

Veepee would often refer to Howard Allen as the "greatest Christian layman on earth" or...

I once heard lcm refer to Don Wierwille as the "greatest secular educator" on earth. or...

I once heard Veepee refer to Don Williams (a second rate country singer) as the "greatest male tenor voice on earth"...roflmao....or....

Veepee referring to Claudette as the "greatest female gospel singer on earth"...she was good, but.....or

The claim that Veepee has had the "greatest amount of revelation of any man since the apostle Paul" (like as if somebody had been keeping a tally over the years, LOL)...or...

That the corps training at Emporia was "the greatest spiritual training anywhere on earth"...or...

C'mon folks, I'm sure we got some real side splitters between all of us. Let's hear yours!

Oldies...I have no comment on your posts in this thread...if you haven't been enlightened by the previous posts, then mine would probably fare no better in persuading you.

Shaz...thanks for the link...it really hits the nail on the head. Wierwille and martindale are perfect examples of this type of person.

I recall an occasion when veepee was sitting with the 10th corps while others were discussing how great this "Tracker" guy, Tom Brown was. Some 8th corps had just returned from the "Tracker school" and were sharing about what a sharp guy Brown was in so many ways, etc, etc. Everybody was obviously impressed and the focus was on a story being told about how Brown snuck up on a deer or something, when all of a sudden Veepee leaps to his feet and shouts angrily, "DO YOU THINK HE COULD SNEAK UP ON ME?"...Suddenly the attention was back on wierwille, where he wanted it to be. He went on with some blather about how acute his spiritual senses were. Everybody ooohed and ahhhed and things were right again in wayworld. Scheeesh! -->