GrouchoMarxJr

Good old days? You mean, when veepee saw the snow on the gaspumps?...or maybe you're talking about all those warm and wonderful evenings when some guy with a green nametag would brow beat us with his arrogant and condescending mouth? Pfal?...hogwash.

As far as their bookstore goes...I wouldn't cross the street for any of that fishwrapping.

I recall very well when the Schoenheit paper came out. I was told directly that if I read it, I would get possessed! I remember a certain rev. who received the paper in the mail, never read it...just received it...and was fired.

The irony of it all is that if twi would have just let John S alone...not fire him but take his research paper and just "bury it", the whole thing probably would have blown over. Instead, by firing John, they arroused everybody's attention and interest and in effect made him a martyr. It put the spotlight on the whole sordid affair and then their house of cards crumbled.

The smartest thing lcm ever said?...

C'mon...give us a clue.

...or was that "Hairy Krishnas"?...Hairy fishnuts?...hmmmm -->

I'm just thankful that I didn't join up with the Hari Krishnas...

During an advance class, they were showing us a film depicting a satanic "black mass"...it involved an attractive young lady dressed up in black, sashaying about in a provocative manner.

Lcm thought his mike was turned off...he turned to one of his assistants and laughingly said "I wonder if she's any good in bed"...over 500 people heard him...

Welcome to the Grease spot cafe! Stay as long as you like.

Like most cults, twi was based on the charismatic personality of wierwille. After wierwille stepped down, he was replaced by a much "meaner" version of himself (martindale)...who alienated most of the followers by changing the doctrine and demanding unquestioned loyalty to him...things fell apart.

The actual doctrines which distinguished twi were stolen from various other groups, individuals, and writings. It was a "hybrid" belief system.

The different "administrations" taught by wierwille came from the writings of E.W. Bullinger. He called it "dispensationalism".

"A.O.S."...Stands for "Athletes of the spirit". A false doctrine promulgated by "lcm" (see above)...in order to elevate himself above Christ and to establish himself as a "master of the word". The distortion of scriptures in this "biblical philosophy" was matched only by the arrogance of it's teacher.

*Also refers to the "dance production" of the same name, in which "lcm" is the featured "ballet dancer"...prancing about in leotards, leading "god's people" to heaven.

"A.O.S."...Stands for "Athletes of the spirit". A false doctrine promulgated by "lcm" (see above)...in order to elevate himself above Christ and to establish himself as a "master of the word". The distortion of scriptures in this "biblical philosophy" was matched only by the arrogance of it's teacher.

*Also refers to the "dance production" of the same name, in which "lcm" is the featured "ballet dancer"...prancing about in leotards, leading "god's people" to heaven.

"Leaf"...A term used to describe an individual who is at the bottom of the food chain. Usually, an individual who is used for menial tasks and financial support...one who does not qualify for "first thought" revelation, (due to lack of training, and/or lack of personality and money)...and must refer to a "higher-up" for information regarding divine guidence.

"Leaf"...A term used to describe an individual who is at the bottom of the food chain. Usually, an individual who is used for menial tasks and financial support...one who does not qualify for "first thought" revelation, (due to lack of training, and/or lack of personality and money)...and must refer to a "higher-up" for information regarding divine guidence.

"First thought"...a term used by members of the way international, which is descriptive of the method used by the Allmighty to communicate directly to the way international follower. This form of communication (also referred to as "revelation")...is confined exclusively to those who have successfully completed the way international's classes and training programs. This is indicated by the nametag worn by the follower in question.

"First thought"...a term used by members of the way international, which is descriptive of the method used by the Allmighty to communicate directly to the way international follower. This form of communication (also referred to as "revelation")...is confined exclusively to those who have successfully completed the way international's classes and training programs. This is indicated by the nametag worn by the follower in question.

I planned my departure...

1987...Mr martindale had just delivered an edict to the clueless flock. He decided that it was important, for all the twig coordinators, to communicate to him on a weekly basis, stating who was faithful and who was not faithful in the respective fellowships. The factors in deciding who was faithful and who wasn't, could easily be determined by looking at their attendance record and the amount of money that they gave...simple enough.

A week after this announcement was made in my area, I had a scheduled leaders meeting to attend...and it was my turn to teach. I made my final teaching as colorful as I could. I let it be known that under no circumstance would I take part in such an ungodly rating system. I told the group of leaders that from hence forth, I could no longer follow the corrupted martindale...I turned and walked out the door.

The next day, my entire branch was told to avoid me because I was crawling with demons from the underbelly of hell...or something like that. Two years later, those same leaders who had announced my reprobate condition, became infested with those same demons...go figure.

I left on my terms and feel good about that. ;)-->

I left twi 17 years ago, after being involved for 13 years. For me, the twi experience is far removed from my life. It has been for a long time. Is there a residual effect after all this time? Probably so...24-37 are important years in a persons life and I was deeply involved. The con that I swallowed has cost me...

With that said, I agree 100% with Oakspear. This IS the opprotunity for people to hear the OTHER side of the story. I feel a certain obligation ( remember that old poem, "The bridge builder"?)...to reach back for those who follow:

Why, old ex-cult member, are you building a bridge here...your journey's almost over and never again will you pass this chasm...why?

The old ex-cult member raised his graying head and smiled and said...It's true that I am passed this chasm of corruption, this insideous little cornfield cult, this deceitful snake pit full of sexual predators and destroyers of lives...never again will I pass this way. Then, with a wink in his eye and a skip in his step, he said...

Getting out of this mind control cult was no problem for me, but for the fair haired youth who follows this path...it may, a pitfall be...No, I'm not here at Greasespot for my benefit, my friend, but to call bull.... on the fakers and abusers, to sound the alarm that the shepherd is screwing his own sheep...perhaps that fairhaired youth will wander into the GS cafe and perhaps he'll feed...old friend,..... I'm posting at Greasespot for him to read.

...oh yeah, and the only part of ole Hairy that ever made that rag was about 1/4 of my head...I could see my ear and some of my hair...I was soooooooooo blessed.

That miserable excuse for a magazine was nothing more than another tool, used for promoting and selling their zombie class. It was fishwrap...

C'mon Mary, don't be shy...tell us what you really think. ;)-->

Yep...I think Tom Strange summed it up quite nicely. Mr. Wierwille was definitely a maverick who loved being the top banana, answerable only to himself. He certainly hit paydirt when he tapped into the Jesus hippies. A lot of folks don't realize that just before the "youth explosion" and putting the class on film...A whole bunch of older folks all walked out on Veepee because he started teaching tithing when previously he had taught against it. I guess he was already laying the groundwork to appropriate funds for his empire.

According to Veepee, he made his trip to India independant of his denomination and financed it himself. In fact, his denomination was unhappy with him going there like he did. Supposedly, Veepee was "checking out" what they were doing with the foriegn missionary money. At least this was Veepee spin on what happened as he told a small group of us once.

I suspect that his going to India was a "political move" on his part, with his denomination. He was going to be the whistle blower and expose all this fraud that he saw...his reward for all this? Who knows what Veepee was thinking at the time. He still had delusions that his "man of God" persona would operate within his beloved denomination. Perhaps he saw himself as chairman of some board that controlled large amounts of denominational funds...who knows? I think it's safe to say that his trip to India was calculated in his own mind for some self serving purpose.

I think that his whole plan blew up in his face. He got into so much trouble over there that whatever he originally had in mind, backfired in his face. I had always heard that wierwille was defrocked because of sexual indiscretions. I'm not sure of the order of events, but all this ties together in his denomination running him off. Unfortunately, this was the springboard for his starting his own cult.

I know all about lymes...I put a slice on top of my corona...it's great that way. ;)-->

Mr. Wierwille seemed to have an extraordinary capacity to rationalize his sexual cravings. There's no doubt that he understood the relationship between authority and sexual license. He actually did convince himself that all the women in the kingdom belong to the king. It's no stretch at all to assume that his time in India served to reinforce his predatory sexual nature.

I couldn't help but notice that in one of Mike's posts, he implied that my original post was lacking in substance...

Mike...I assure you that the truck DID need to be unloaded.

Tom was a good friend and I am very sad at this news. He was warm, friendly and honest. He had a great heart and I thank God for his life.

You might be in a cult if...

1-You burned your record collection in a fire.

2-You find yourself saying the same words over and over...just like everybody else around you.

3-You have an associates degree in practical theology, but wash windows for a living.

4-You become adept at glancing at nametags without anyone noticing.

5-All your old friends avoid you like the plague

6-You wonder why you're one of the chosen one's to "really" know the truth

7-You find yourself standing up at meetings shouting out a prayer at the top of your voice

Whatever "mark and avoid" really means...twi got it wrong, I'm sure. They used it deceitfully, as a tool, to get rid of folks that were a threat to them...or just to be punitive if you didn't kiss the right a$$.