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Groucho, that sounds like the earliest someone has mentioned, and what WG says seems to back it up. He was silly enough to write that in a Waymag? It's a certainty that if LCM said it and VPW was still around, VPW must have endorsed it othewise he would have squelched LCM. Quick, folks, buy your spit protection NOW! Of course, "tithing" was very surreptitiously required of us from PFAL with the handing out of the Christians Should be Prosperous booklet, not actually "taught" as such. The gist of that booklet was that not tithing was robbing God and who'd want to do that? But just disapproval, no threat, if one didn't tithe. Did VPW threaten, or did he just leave that to LCM? Does anyone admit to having the Waymag WG mentioned?

Michael, stick around, you will find much to help you here. We have mostly all been through it; some here have people they care about involved with TWI but they themselves are not. Enjoy life and keep learning. I'm sending you a PM so's not to derail this thread.

"Small minds talk about people; average minds talk about events; great minds talk about The Word." Which was cover for "great" minds discussing the supposed spiritual imperfections of numerous people who had been kicked out.

Hey Mods, has anyone ever thought about a "smiley" that shows a train wreck, or at least a train derailment? Like the "Off topic" button but more explicit?

They were? :blink: :blink: Leafy - weren't we taught that the spittle of a holy man was something special (hence Jesus spitting on the eyes of a blind man)? Though I don't think LCM had this in mind.

An exam!! Where you had to list your sexual preferences??!! :o That's just voyeurism. Nosy b-----. The correct expression may be, "F**k off!" Thankfully this wonderful class (LOL) made no significant impression on me. Reading some of the posts reminds me of a few things, but nothing I care to pursue any further. I don't recall anything much about "family" but there was plenty about sexual relations between spouses and there were the slang references and I remember thinking, is this really necessary? I know some people who had had very restrictive RC upbringings and they found it liberating from that set of doctrines. But that would have been a once-through and they weren't deeply immured in TWI for it to go to its full harmful depth. BTW on voyeurism, not that this particularly relates to this class, I'll remind you that when I entered the WC as part of the prep list, women had to obtain a clear Pap (smear) test. At the time I thought it was over-zealous caring for people's health. Now, I think it may have been for a different reason. Especially if linked with the "sexual preferences" questionnaire mentioned earlier in this thread. :blink:

Hi Michael, haven't met you before, but welcome to the Cafe. Very glad to hear that you've very much learned that you aren't a grease spot by midnight and there is a thriving life after TWI. Many of us here could agree with your statement: "I don't feel my life really started or got moving [again] in a coherent direction until some five or six years after being all but on the fringe(s) of the ministry" - with the added word, for some of us. Your picketing story is so funny. Probably a demo to your LL how copped out you were (LOL).

Huh, so we have trucker expressions filtered through footballers'/jocks' comprehension and turned out as a spiritual statement? And used to terrify believers? Sirguessalot: hadn't heard that later qualifier, must have come along some time after I was already a grease spot (M&A'd). WW: before my time. If he stated this on a 1980 SNT, he probably practiced on the Corps before that. Any offers, anyone?

Funny, and in view of "pneuma" sometimes being trans-a-lated "wind" (not just "spirit")... ah, you work it out. Maybe that glass of red wine that I just drank is having an effect...! Anyway, anyone know the origin of this expression, in TWI terms?

Huh, this expression has a longer life than I expected. Shoulda known it wasn't original. Didn't know about Trucker-speak. What a terrifying expression to put into someone's mind as they were driving away in disgrace from TWI! Roadkill, this didn't "translate" for me. Linda and Leafy, you're both talking about days when VPW was alive and huffing. Was it his expression?

ModRocker, it's deviated just a little from the snowstorm...! Mike, I respect your views, but I've been there and out through the other side. We will not agree but I appreciate your views are strongly held (as are mine). There is no point in my continuing on this thread, said all I have to say, no-one's changing their mind, so it's over and out. I wish you peace in your heart: Numbers 6:24-26 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: 25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: 26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Agreed. Very graceful. Mods, lock this thread!

Interesting, Shellon, but not quite what I was after. When did - whoever - first start using this expression? Clearly it was around early 90s; was it around late 80s? ("Cop out" and "tricked out" were; but "grease spot"?)

Ditto. There's so much more knowledge and understanding and application out there. Pr 11:14 - Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. Pr 15:22 - Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

Sorry, Mike, I don't feel any respect FROM you. I simply don't have any respect for hypocrisy. There is good precedent for this. I have a recollection that Jesus confronted a few people about it...was it ... false leaders?? I believe the leaders of the church that we are in, are urged to live blameless lives, which surely doesn't mean they never do wrong, but they get their act together pretty quickly and amend their behavior. Isn't there a letter about that somewhere? To Tim...Timmy...(thinking...) Timothy!! And I remember reading about some other guy who'd been a hypocrite who changed his mind and said, Be followers of me. And he laid down specific standards of behavior. Uh... Paul? I believe YOU believe the things you say, and I respect that. I simply don't respect the author of the books you so venerate. If they work for you, go with it. But please - don't forget Jesus. Don't disregard what he teaches. Make yourself rich in love and compassion. Let those be your actions. Let him be your model. PS Not recorded anywhere that Jesus saw a snowstorm. He did see a dove and he did have an amazing time being "transfigured". He didn't ask for these and warned against seeking after signs (like snowstorms).

Okay, we've all heard this. But when and where did it start? LCM used the expression a lot. Usually in conjunction with, "If you walk out of here, you won't have God's hedge of protection around you and you'll be a grease spot by midnight." (which overlooks, of course, that God promises He will never leave us nor forsake us - a pretty fundamental contradiction, it seems!) Who coined this expression, LCM himself? Or VPW, did he say this (maybe, I can't remember)? And who remembers its first context? What was it in relation to, people leaving voluntarily, or being thrown out, or was it something else? When did you first hear it? Did anything else merit God "not spitting" at you? I've heard LCM holler it out on more than a few occasions. That would be early 90s. When? Corps night, perhaps? But it clearly made its way out - SNS?

Okay, we've all heard this. But when and where did it start? LCM used the expression a lot. Usually in conjunction with, "If you don't tithe, God won't even spit in your direction." (As if anyone wanted a God who would spit on them!) Who coined this expression, LCM himself? Or VPW, did he say this (maybe, I can't remember)? And who remembers its first context? Was it in relation to tithing or was it something else? When did you first hear it? Did anything else merit God not spitting at you? I've heard LCM holler it out on more than a few occasions. That would be early 90s. When? Corps night, perhaps? But it clearly made its way out - SNS?

Hahaha, you got it!

No, Mike, I will put on the mind of Christ if I absorb and master the material in the appropriate location... which is not in PFAL unless PFAL lines up with the scriptures (NOT the other way around). We are all spokesmen - we are all Ambassadors for Christ. It's not limited to VPW (btw it's okay to use CHRISTIAN names not manmade titles to refer to someone). Even if "Jesus Christ made him (VPW) his spokesman," does that mean VPW is the only spokesman? Does JC not walk and talk with us all as often as we are willing? Does that mean JC does not walk and talk with people in other churches - especially the leaders of those churches? A visiting minister at the church I go to presented a whole lot of stuff that was very similar to PFAL material, but presented so lovingly and with a different emphasis. It was much better presented, and very exhortational. You could see the whole congregation "growing" as they took the material in. It magnified God, not the minister, who was very self-effacing. There's no way this man could have read any PFAL material. Was he wrong? Or was he a spokesman for God, too? Or would you say he is a cunning counterfeit? (He comes from a place where there are lots of snowstorms.) I can only say that I have a better walk with Christ since I ceased to be hobbled by TWI.

Please, don't be so insulting, Mike. You do your "cause" no good. You have diverted this thread and people have posted in response to your diversions. I ask you to answer them. I am not gossip oriented at all. But I will not magnify the behavior of a wolf above the Lord Jesus Christ. Your hero goes against much that the Lord Jesus Christ said and did. It is not gossip to say that someone's repeated pattern of behavior goes against the gospel. Come to think of it - you mention VPW ("Doctor") so many times. Yet you never mention the Head of the Church. Why is that?

A bit more from the Snow on the Gaspumps thread: Nothing personal, Mike. But it is a rather outrageous statement.

* * spluttering with laughter into my cup of tea! * *

Never mind, Waysider, I didn't expect a response from the person asked. Nor to my post immediately above that one (# 423 on page 22). Edited cos I found the post number

Just looked in on this thread, first time for a while. GC, you did really well getting all those bulbs for 10p/pkt. Hope you get something out of them. I dug up all my daffs last year as they didn't flower and also have some tulips from a friend. BUT I haven't planted any of them yet!¬ Should have been in months ago. The bulbs have been in my shed so they have gone through their "cold" period - maybe if I stick them in this afternoon I will get some flowers, perhaps later than usual. Am giving some thought to what I want to grow this year. The caterpillars got my brussels sprouts and shredded the leaves so the tiny sprouts have little to nourish their growth. My Savoy cabbages are still in and looking good, but not growing much. I had a load of peas but frankly I could have bought a bag of the frozen variety and saved myself the space. I am growing chard which has been prolific - in the very hard frosts we had it all froze and wilted and looked done for - but as soon as it's turned warmer, there is the chard, standing up nicely. I grew onions from seed last year but the bulbs have never really filled out. I grew leeks from seed and they did well but originally planted them too deep and they failed; got some more and they are just dawdling in the ground. My courgettes did nicely and when they came in, there was abundance and I have bottled some of them. My squash decided to grow just about the time everything else was dying down. Of course, as every year, I will be growing runner beans, but they won't be going in till May so something else, a quick crop, can have their site until then. It's only a small garden, so things have to make themselves useful and be worthwhile. No point in growing what I can buy, cheaper.

Well, folks, thanks for your suggestions. I have now been using FF for some time, since that scare that IE wasn't secure re banking things. I really like that there are different tabs at the top which I think are available in IE when using Vista or high versions of the operating system; but I have Win 2000 which doesn't support tabs. (Or maybe I just got something else all mixed up here. Anyway I had no tabs with IE) The remembering of websites is useful too. Any other tips about FF that I could play with? :) I still haven't downloaded anything for Chat...which was the point of starting this thread...