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  1. VPW did not care what he taught, he only used "new" or out-of-the-mainstream claims to to "prove" that he alone taught truth instead of tradition, seem distinct and gain a following. Michael Rood and other Prophecy club speakers and cult leaders do the same thing today. Rood has a new "amazing discovery" every year, like clockwork. Over-the-top and "unique" claims are the way to get attention and money. VP promoted odd ideas like 4 crucified, law of believing, etc, not because they were true, but because they gained a following and served his megalomania. "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine... they have itching ears... they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables" (2 Timothy 4:3). Sadly, many well-meaning people were deceived.
  2. The law of believing is an important teaching in The Way International. VP Wierwille taught that people cause good or bad results in their lives (wealth or poverty, life or death) by their positive or negative believing. Few recognize that Wierwille taught an atheistic system (even though he believed in God) that he learned from Albert Cliffe, not from the New Testament. Those who accepted Wierwille's teaching struggled with the application- that Wierwille must have caused his own early death by cancer.
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    click here (www.abouttheway.org) for a menu to about a dozen articles on momentus/ breakthrough http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/tw_momentus.htm
  4. There's a new video on TWI's law of believing. The law of believing is an important teaching in TWI. VP Wierwille taught that people cause good or bad results in their lives (wealth or poverty, life or death) by their positive or negative believing. Few recognize that Wierwille taught an atheistic system (even though he believed in God) that he learned from Albert Cliffe, not from the New Testament. Those who accepted Wierwille's teaching struggled with the conclusion that VPW must have caused his own early death by cancer.
  5. someone asked about more thorough theological books. A place to begin is the "academic" section of christianbook.com Bible Reference Tools: Handbook, Atlas, Dictionary - Christianbook.com the Academic section offers more thorough studies in the areas of Biblical languages, theology, Biblical studies, apologetics, church history, theological dictionaries, theological encyclopedias, etc. Basics of Classical Syriac Video Lectures: A Complete Course for the Beginner: Steven C. Hallam: 9780310535171 - Christianbook.com 23 session DVD class on basics of Syriac. This page has a 19 minute video segment on the alphabet you can view There is a matching book. The class is $70, class and book package is $94 In certain categories you can refine the book search by searching for semi-technical or technical level books
  6. from Charlene: "taught as accurate would be determined from VPW’s supposedly great “scope of The Word” which he said he gained from “working” the whole Word [Bible] for years and years and/or from God’s direct revelation. From my experience in research, I came away with realizing that the catch phrase, The Word, referred to whatever VPW decided. After he died, the tangled web of figuring out what he would have wanted and how to rationalize his mistakes and deliberate twisting of Scripture fell to Walt*r Cu*mins, the man in charge of research" "The Word" was always code for whatever VPW taught, not The Bible itself. It got more complex when he contradicted himself, though not everyone thought about things carefully enough to realize that he often did. People on research teams like Charlene's ran into a crisis when they were faced with the contradiction between actual research and what VP taught. "Research" in TWI mainly meant whatever VP said, right or wrong. This is a characteristic of cultic structure in a group. One of the authors on my web site www.abouttheway.org was essentially "deprogrammed" by TWI leaders when he ventured to write a study guide of PFAL- even though it didn't depart from VP. Allegiance to VP, TWI and its leaders is what it is, and always was, about, though new followers didn't notice that until too late.
  7. since their salary expenses are so low, it would take very little endowment to pay the minimum amount to keep the raft afloat. But not enough to make it go anywhere. I don't see how self-sufficiency would be any great success. It appears that TWI's idea of spectacular innovation is buying a gray toilet bowl brush instead of the usual white one.
  8. Let's see... Rochelle took over Hendrick's group, Tonia took over Shroyer's CFF, and Rosie took over VP's TWI. Will all the splinters end up being run by women? If so, will they plagiarize less? VPW said, "Women never tell the truth" (he wasn't kidding; see The Way Living in Love, p.199)
  9. operabuff was barking up the right tree. There is no difference biblically between faith and believing, or between faith and belief. The NT Greek root word is pistis (as mentioned above). This root word is behind faith, belief, believe and believing. Anyone who knows any Greek realizes that it is really silly to distinguish between faith and believing when they both translate the same Greek word. The problem here is English. As noted above, "faith" is a noun, and English does not have a verb form of that word (like "I faithed God" or "I am faithing in God"). It is a fluke of English that we use "faith" as the noun that is equivalent to "believe" as a verb. A rough comparison: we use "go... went... gone...." rather than "go... goed... gone..." but we don't claim that "went" is radically different from "go." This is a fluke of English just like the use of faith and believe) VPW uses the word "believing" as though it is a noun. But "believing" is a verb (participle), not a noun. VPW, and whoever he copied from, didn't know English or Greek decently enough to understand this.
  10. I believe the point of the anniversary is not the founding of the organization, but VP's claim that God spoke to him audibly in Oct 1942, then proved it by a blizzard in Payne, OH. As you recall, VP liked to embellish (that is, lie) to inflate his self-importance, as most cult leaders do (Joe Smith claimed two gods appeared to him and later gave him golden plates in Egyptian, which sounds even more exciting than snow). "God" told VP that He would teach VP the Word as it had not been known since the first century, which would make VP God's 14th apostle, the man of God for our day and time. VP added more excitement to this story over time in order to make it sound more supernatural. An early telling of the story in The Way's 25th Anniversary Souvenir booklet left out the snow and did not say that God spoke audibly. Five years later VP spun a bigger yarn (and got more people to believe it) by adding the audibility and snow. TWI, and the world, was supposed to revolve around vpw. VPW snowed people with another snow story a few years later, claiming that a blizzard forced him tio stay in Tulsa in 1951 until he received holy spirit. Weather records from both Tulsa and Ohio prove that both stories were lies.
  11. Hendricks liked to copy from VPW, just as VP liked to copy from everybody else. John Hendricks "authored" four books, all based on Wierwille’s books. CRF published Easy to Believe in 1997 (131 pp). which was based on Wierwille’s The Bible Tells Me So. He published God’s Healing Word in 1997 (241 pp), which was based on Power for Abundant Living (Wierwille’s book is the first four segments of the class) and E. W. Bullinger’s How to Enjoy the Bible, from which much of PFAL was taken, and his Knowing God class is just like VP's PFAL. Hendricks' God’s Healing Word devotes a few chapters to its version of TWI’s belief that “Jesus Christ is not God,” criticizing (but not really understanding) Trinitarian belief. Hendricks lifts material from Wierwille’s book Jesus Christ is Not God, “proving” that Jesus is the Son of God because the New Testament uses the title 116 times—as though no evangelical Christian ever noticed that before. Hendricks shows the same shallowness of thinking that plagued Wierwille on this point, because he never stops to think what it means that Christ is the Son of God. Bullinger says- in a book Hendricks treats as an authority- that in Greek the article “the” is used twice in this phrase, indicating Deity, not humanity. Hendricks published Power from on High in 1999, based on Wierwille’s Receiving the Holy Spirit Today (which was largely plagiarized from E. W. Bullinger’s The Giver and His Gifts). CRF also published God’s Way to Prosperity, based on TWI’s Christians Should Be Prosperous. Perhaps Henricks got the copycat gene from VP.
  12. The problem with KJV is that so many words are meaningless. You might just as well have blanks in many verses, because people are understanding things by context and essentially skipping the word in their minds. For instance, we know that Jon Baptiizer's head wasn't brought on an electrical cord you plug in the socket to charge your phone, so we assume that "charger" must be some kind of a plate. Worthless words. Worse yet are words that mislead. When people read "conversation" in KJV they usually assume it means talking with people. But in the 1600s conversation meant behavior. So KJV actually deceives people in places (though unintentionally). Translations like The Message are engaging and easy reading, which is nice for some people. But it's close to impossible to do a serious word study with. So what translation you use depends partly on who you are and what you do with it.
  13. You can find an article that provides a good overview of CRF on www.abouttheway.org Click on "Splinter groups" on the home page, then click on the link to the Hendricks article Like VPW, CRF teaches the “law of giving and receiving.” This and other spiritual “laws,” work for anyone who practices them, regardless of their religion (or atheism), morality (or immorality). The law of giving asserts that anyone who gives will receive back. Immutable “laws” that work for any human being are rooted in the New Thought movement of a century ago, not the Bible. This is related to teachings on prosperity. This is all very convenient for both TWI and CRF because... they get the money... many people noticed over the years that both VP and JH really, really liked it. Every church I have ever been a part of produced financial reports monthly for all the officers (usually 6-10 people). They also published year to date reports which were given to everyone who attended voters meetings, which were held anywhere from 2 to 12 times a year. Everyone was invited to voters meetings, including people who weren't members of the church. Furthermore, offerings were counted and deposited by at least two, unrelated people. None of these were the treasurer, who wrote the checks. By separating the income and the outgo sides of finances, it helps prevent people skimming money for selfish purposes. TWI and CRF do not follow these honest practices. WHY NOT?
  14. sowers uses Thessalonians from the University of Life program. What other University of Life classes were produced?
  15. SOWERS gets some credit for a degree of honesty. Most splinters pretend they never had anything to do with, never heard of, and have nothing in common with TWI, PFAL, Corps, etc. They commonly hide the source of their doctrine and their training in TWI, while parroting the way line. At least SOWERS at times openly says they base their stuff on PFAL and Corps, as warped as it is.
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