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  1. VPW did not care what he taught, he only used "new" or out-of-the-mainstream claims to to "prove" that he alone taught truth instead of tradition, seem distinct and gain a following. Michael Rood and other Prophecy club speakers and cult leaders do the same thing today. Rood has a new "amazing discovery" every year, like clockwork. Over-the-top and "unique" claims are the way to get attention and money. VP promoted odd ideas like 4 crucified, law of believing, etc, not because they were true, but because they gained a following and served his megalomania. "The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine... they have itching ears... they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables" (2 Timothy 4:3). Sadly, many well-meaning people were deceived.
  2. The law of believing is an important teaching in The Way International. VP Wierwille taught that people cause good or bad results in their lives (wealth or poverty, life or death) by their positive or negative believing. Few recognize that Wierwille taught an atheistic system (even though he believed in God) that he learned from Albert Cliffe, not from the New Testament. Those who accepted Wierwille's teaching struggled with the application- that Wierwille must have caused his own early death by cancer.
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    Momentus.

    click here (www.abouttheway.org) for a menu to about a dozen articles on momentus/ breakthrough http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/tw_momentus.htm
  4. There's a new video on TWI's law of believing. The law of believing is an important teaching in TWI. VP Wierwille taught that people cause good or bad results in their lives (wealth or poverty, life or death) by their positive or negative believing. Few recognize that Wierwille taught an atheistic system (even though he believed in God) that he learned from Albert Cliffe, not from the New Testament. Those who accepted Wierwille's teaching struggled with the conclusion that VPW must have caused his own early death by cancer.
  5. someone asked about more thorough theological books. A place to begin is the "academic" section of christianbook.com Bible Reference Tools: Handbook, Atlas, Dictionary - Christianbook.com the Academic section offers more thorough studies in the areas of Biblical languages, theology, Biblical studies, apologetics, church history, theological dictionaries, theological encyclopedias, etc. Basics of Classical Syriac Video Lectures: A Complete Course for the Beginner: Steven C. Hallam: 9780310535171 - Christianbook.com 23 session DVD class on basics of Syriac. This page has a 19 minute video segment on the alphabet you can view There is a matching book. The class is $70, class and book package is $94 In certain categories you can refine the book search by searching for semi-technical or technical level books
  6. from Charlene: "taught as accurate would be determined from VPW’s supposedly great “scope of The Word” which he said he gained from “working” the whole Word [Bible] for years and years and/or from God’s direct revelation. From my experience in research, I came away with realizing that the catch phrase, The Word, referred to whatever VPW decided. After he died, the tangled web of figuring out what he would have wanted and how to rationalize his mistakes and deliberate twisting of Scripture fell to Walt*r Cu*mins, the man in charge of research" "The Word" was always code for whatever VPW taught, not The Bible itself. It got more complex when he contradicted himself, though not everyone thought about things carefully enough to realize that he often did. People on research teams like Charlene's ran into a crisis when they were faced with the contradiction between actual research and what VP taught. "Research" in TWI mainly meant whatever VP said, right or wrong. This is a characteristic of cultic structure in a group. One of the authors on my web site www.abouttheway.org was essentially "deprogrammed" by TWI leaders when he ventured to write a study guide of PFAL- even though it didn't depart from VP. Allegiance to VP, TWI and its leaders is what it is, and always was, about, though new followers didn't notice that until too late.
  7. since their salary expenses are so low, it would take very little endowment to pay the minimum amount to keep the raft afloat. But not enough to make it go anywhere. I don't see how self-sufficiency would be any great success. It appears that TWI's idea of spectacular innovation is buying a gray toilet bowl brush instead of the usual white one.
  8. Let's see... Rochelle took over Hendrick's group, Tonia took over Shroyer's CFF, and Rosie took over VP's TWI. Will all the splinters end up being run by women? If so, will they plagiarize less? VPW said, "Women never tell the truth" (he wasn't kidding; see The Way Living in Love, p.199)
  9. operabuff was barking up the right tree. There is no difference biblically between faith and believing, or between faith and belief. The NT Greek root word is pistis (as mentioned above). This root word is behind faith, belief, believe and believing. Anyone who knows any Greek realizes that it is really silly to distinguish between faith and believing when they both translate the same Greek word. The problem here is English. As noted above, "faith" is a noun, and English does not have a verb form of that word (like "I faithed God" or "I am faithing in God"). It is a fluke of English that we use "faith" as the noun that is equivalent to "believe" as a verb. A rough comparison: we use "go... went... gone...." rather than "go... goed... gone..." but we don't claim that "went" is radically different from "go." This is a fluke of English just like the use of faith and believe) VPW uses the word "believing" as though it is a noun. But "believing" is a verb (participle), not a noun. VPW, and whoever he copied from, didn't know English or Greek decently enough to understand this.
  10. I believe the point of the anniversary is not the founding of the organization, but VP's claim that God spoke to him audibly in Oct 1942, then proved it by a blizzard in Payne, OH. As you recall, VP liked to embellish (that is, lie) to inflate his self-importance, as most cult leaders do (Joe Smith claimed two gods appeared to him and later gave him golden plates in Egyptian, which sounds even more exciting than snow). "God" told VP that He would teach VP the Word as it had not been known since the first century, which would make VP God's 14th apostle, the man of God for our day and time. VP added more excitement to this story over time in order to make it sound more supernatural. An early telling of the story in The Way's 25th Anniversary Souvenir booklet left out the snow and did not say that God spoke audibly. Five years later VP spun a bigger yarn (and got more people to believe it) by adding the audibility and snow. TWI, and the world, was supposed to revolve around vpw. VPW snowed people with another snow story a few years later, claiming that a blizzard forced him tio stay in Tulsa in 1951 until he received holy spirit. Weather records from both Tulsa and Ohio prove that both stories were lies.
  11. Hendricks liked to copy from VPW, just as VP liked to copy from everybody else. John Hendricks "authored" four books, all based on Wierwille’s books. CRF published Easy to Believe in 1997 (131 pp). which was based on Wierwille’s The Bible Tells Me So. He published God’s Healing Word in 1997 (241 pp), which was based on Power for Abundant Living (Wierwille’s book is the first four segments of the class) and E. W. Bullinger’s How to Enjoy the Bible, from which much of PFAL was taken, and his Knowing God class is just like VP's PFAL. Hendricks' God’s Healing Word devotes a few chapters to its version of TWI’s belief that “Jesus Christ is not God,” criticizing (but not really understanding) Trinitarian belief. Hendricks lifts material from Wierwille’s book Jesus Christ is Not God, “proving” that Jesus is the Son of God because the New Testament uses the title 116 times—as though no evangelical Christian ever noticed that before. Hendricks shows the same shallowness of thinking that plagued Wierwille on this point, because he never stops to think what it means that Christ is the Son of God. Bullinger says- in a book Hendricks treats as an authority- that in Greek the article “the” is used twice in this phrase, indicating Deity, not humanity. Hendricks published Power from on High in 1999, based on Wierwille’s Receiving the Holy Spirit Today (which was largely plagiarized from E. W. Bullinger’s The Giver and His Gifts). CRF also published God’s Way to Prosperity, based on TWI’s Christians Should Be Prosperous. Perhaps Henricks got the copycat gene from VP.
  12. The problem with KJV is that so many words are meaningless. You might just as well have blanks in many verses, because people are understanding things by context and essentially skipping the word in their minds. For instance, we know that Jon Baptiizer's head wasn't brought on an electrical cord you plug in the socket to charge your phone, so we assume that "charger" must be some kind of a plate. Worthless words. Worse yet are words that mislead. When people read "conversation" in KJV they usually assume it means talking with people. But in the 1600s conversation meant behavior. So KJV actually deceives people in places (though unintentionally). Translations like The Message are engaging and easy reading, which is nice for some people. But it's close to impossible to do a serious word study with. So what translation you use depends partly on who you are and what you do with it.
  13. You can find an article that provides a good overview of CRF on www.abouttheway.org Click on "Splinter groups" on the home page, then click on the link to the Hendricks article Like VPW, CRF teaches the “law of giving and receiving.” This and other spiritual “laws,” work for anyone who practices them, regardless of their religion (or atheism), morality (or immorality). The law of giving asserts that anyone who gives will receive back. Immutable “laws” that work for any human being are rooted in the New Thought movement of a century ago, not the Bible. This is related to teachings on prosperity. This is all very convenient for both TWI and CRF because... they get the money... many people noticed over the years that both VP and JH really, really liked it. Every church I have ever been a part of produced financial reports monthly for all the officers (usually 6-10 people). They also published year to date reports which were given to everyone who attended voters meetings, which were held anywhere from 2 to 12 times a year. Everyone was invited to voters meetings, including people who weren't members of the church. Furthermore, offerings were counted and deposited by at least two, unrelated people. None of these were the treasurer, who wrote the checks. By separating the income and the outgo sides of finances, it helps prevent people skimming money for selfish purposes. TWI and CRF do not follow these honest practices. WHY NOT?
  14. sowers uses Thessalonians from the University of Life program. What other University of Life classes were produced?
  15. SOWERS gets some credit for a degree of honesty. Most splinters pretend they never had anything to do with, never heard of, and have nothing in common with TWI, PFAL, Corps, etc. They commonly hide the source of their doctrine and their training in TWI, while parroting the way line. At least SOWERS at times openly says they base their stuff on PFAL and Corps, as warped as it is.
  16. I wonder if TWI is desperate enough for cash that they'd knowingly sell the old "research" books to SOWERS for their min-corps and WOWs. It's tough to have a significant "leadership training program" if the only place you can get the "books" is used on Amazon or borrowed from ex-way. Since TWI and SOWERS run the same program, the same way, same books, same teachings, and same work days on the farm/study nights schedule, etc, one could say they are direct competitors. Except that SOWERS would say that the other guy's Corps is identical to theirs, yet all bad. That's a line that's easier to swallow if prospective students don't think about it.
  17. With cults, the son/grandson of the near-deified Founder seldom does as well as the bureaucracy that the Founder sets up. The descendents of Joe Smith who began Mormonism are still around, but are a paltry number compared to the Salt Lake City bureaucracy. Perhaps their organization hung on because they've kept the "Divine Revelation" going better than thee Salt Lake Mormons have. So what VW3 needs is snow on the gas pumps in Mississippi and a blizzard that kept him snowed in on a trip to New Orleans, at which he met an unnamed author he plagiarizes from. Those would be bigger tricks to create awe in people than VP's snow in Ohio and Tulsa... and just as easy to prove false.
  18. who owns the Mississississississippi farm?
  19. VPW had the luxury of being able to leach lots of young people from the Jesus movement in the 1970s, a luxury the Mississippi farm does not have. So don't expect large numbers of WOWs to descend on rural Mississippi. TWI does not run any WOWs anymore. But why aren't they jealousy guarding the name? SOWER goes out of its way to identify WOW as a TM (trademark).
  20. W.O.W. Ambassadors returned to a warm welcome at the farm where they were pinned in recognition of their year of promoting the Word Over the World. Some of them were recruited to join a leadership program at which they would attend classes from men like Walter Cummins while working part time on the farm. They'll take time for a L.E.A.D. expedition during the year. Does this sound like The Way International? It does, but it is the S.O.W.E.R.S. program run by Victor Wierwille, grandson of TWI founder Victor Paul Wierwille. Find more details in S.O.W.E.R.S. and The Way Corps. Find the link in the "New" section of www.abouttheway.org
  21. I did not look for a copy of Dilemma on line. I bought a hard copy, I think on Amazon. I can give page numbers for any quotes of Dilemma I included in my article if anyone wishes them. Like Dilemma, most of VP's "books" were transcribed sermons he gave, a method which captured his sloppy, extreme, offhanded, and inaccurate manner.
  22. I think you're missing part of how Hindu Writers Forum is using VP. It's true that HWF is knocking a part of Dilemma- namely that VP believes in the supremacy of Christianity (I mention this in my article). However, they see him as attacking all Christian missionary movements in India, just as HWF does. The idea is largely to use VP as a "hostile" Christian source as part of HWF's attack on Christianity. HWF thinks it's great that a "Christian" like VPW can be used to attack Christian missionaries. If HWF only wanted to knock down VP, they would have just selectively quoted him. I did not say that HWF published Dilemma recently, but the fact that they did reprint vpw is probably news to most everyone at greasespotcafe.
  23. Most likely williams opened doors for vpw so that he could use vp as his puppet. They could show off an American who was spouting the same anti-colonial line many Indians were using. VP was getting fed a line and used and didn't know it. I'm sure it stroked his ego to be the lone voice of "truth" over "tradition."
  24. Here and there VP had some good thoughts. He was right that churches in places like India should become self-governing and self-propogating. He said the Bible was God's accurate Word. But VP had a knack for taking the germ of something good and twisting and perverting it into something destructive and self-serving. When Midas touched things, he turned them into gold. When VP touched things, he turned them into arsenic.
  25. VP criticized missionaries for doing good works, like helping the poor (there were many in India) through agricultural and other projects. Regardless of what he may have said about love, VP was certainly short on works of compassion, especially for people who were not his followers. Besides being a shortage of Christian character, this is also due to his teaching on believing. If people have a bad life, it's because of their negative believing, and all they need to do to fix it is to start positive believing. It's a lot easier to just tell needy people to believe right than to help them. If VP had told Jesus' story of the good Samaritan, he would have added a fourth person passing by the injured man who would become the hero. He would tell the half-dead guy that his believing had got him into that mess and he'd better starting believing for healing and for money to get down the road and rent a room at the inn.
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