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I didn't read Mrs. Wierwille's book , simply asking the question if there's a book that documents the alleged doctrine of the Way International, of spousal beating.

Skyrider, Yes by all means let's post facts. Accordingly, to the best of your knowledge, do any of the books written about the Way (I'm thinking of two offhand -- "The Cult that Snapped" and Mrs. Wierwilles book -- but ANY other expositive book about the Way as well) assert a Way International doctrine condoning the physical beating of disobedient wives by their husbands?

1Peter 5:7 "Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."

Yes I think we shouldn't ignore WD posts and again I'd like to remind posters that WhiteDove hasn't called anyone a liar. I think the essence of what he believes is this: When someone invokes the "This was Way Doctrine" belief, WhiteDove is merely asking for verifiable and documentable proof that the belief has some teeth. Peoples OPINIONS about it vary and its a very serious allegation that the Way International teaches wife beating. That is why it is and should be thought of as an opinion only, for everyones sake. Let me be clear on where I stand on this one: If someone was in a meeting where they said that a Way leader said in the meeting that it was ok for a husband to administer a physical beating to a disobedient wife, I would consider that a fact. They were there. It happened. However if someone then said that as a result of their experience, they believe that wife beating was Way Doctrine, I would consider that statement to be an OPINION. If someone wants to say unequivocally that the Way International taught that wife beating was acceptable and ok, I think one really is asking for some serious disagreement by a lot of folks. That'd mean among other things that we all tolerated wife beating! You can't throw out that allegation and expect folks to shut up and blindly agree. Let's get real. To sum up MY belief, it is my opinion that not every statement or concept was approved by the Trustees, and I can't imagine in my wildest dreams them approving and teaching as ministry doctrine that wife beating is ok.

Happy Hannukah, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwandza to all :)

I can't tell by their fruit because they manifested both good and bad fruit. I only know that Gods promise in his Word, that those who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved, apply to everyone including VP and LCM.

Tom, I was taught from The Way that if you had a problem with management, you discuss it with the management. Accordingly, I have a stack of letters from hq , part of my Way Memorabilia file, that answers the questions I had with Way doctrines and policies. I needed clarification and got it, and btw, NOT ALWAYS to my satisfaction. If I had been in the room where it was spoken that the husband is entitled to beat a disobedient wife, you can bet that I'd have questioned that directly with the Trustees. And I know folks who would have probably done exactly the same, being extremely sensitive to and experiencing first hand spousal abuse issues.

I don't see WhiteDove calling anyone dishonest. His opinion is "peoples opinions are not the same as Way doctrine from The Way International" and "just because one was involved with the Way does not mean they always spoke on their behalf." It would appear that WhiteDove's opinion which he is fully entitled to is, that just because a leader of the Way may say something, doesn't make it "Way Doctrine and Policy". I didn't see where he said that the statement by the leader was not made, or that the person recollecting the statement here at GS was lying about what they heard.

JeffSjo, As I see it, WhiteDove (or anyone else) should not be guilted into being quiet because he's not helping an angry or hurt someone get through a problem. That is not necessarily the purpose of the forum, to help someone. The forums are for rendering opinions, by anyone, and sometimes there will be huge disagreements about those opinions. I think a proper response is to challenge the opinion if you wish; rather than issuing an ultimatum to "help people or be quiet."

It worked... thanks Tom!

I've heard it taught, many times, that the wife should submit to the husband, be in subjection because the husband is the head of the wife. Various scriptures were used, among them were the following: I was out of the room when they taught a doctrine that if the wife didn't obey the husband, then the husband is entitled to administer a physical beating to his wife. For myself, it is logical to assume that if the physical beating by the husband to his disobedient wife were a doctrine encouraged by twi, then twi also would have shared some scripture backup, as this was their usual custom. Accordingly does anyone who attended these women's meetings remember a bible verse or two that twi used to condone the husband's physical beating of his disobedient wife? Did they share any verses that would suggest it were ok?

Yes it is an offshoot.

The impression I get is that Nathan is fellowshipping with CFF, but I could be wrong.

I have a youtube question: could someone list the step by step procedure for posting a youtube clip on the GS site (or any other site) without the whole youtube webpage? i.e, just the clip alone? Thanks!

Welcome Nathan. Thanks for the invite and if I were in your neighborhood, I would like to stop by.

I still view the folks at twi as God's children, members of the body of Christ just like we are, as opposed to bastards.

cman, please stop the namecalling and personal attacks. I have reported your post to the mods.

I agree. What I'd do is try to calmly reason with the person first, one on one. If that didn't work, I start yelling back. If that didn't work, I'd seek marriage counselling. If that didn't work, I'd leave. By that time, one would probably be thankful to leave anyway.

Congratulations Tom.

Not her. Here's another pic:

yes, she was in only one episode It is not Maureen O'Sullivan or Kathleen Quinlan, and yes she is deceased. It's a voucher card that I received in the mail; you get $20.00 off when you spend $100.00 worth of merchandise. Hurry, the offer expires December 7. I need to PM or email the voucher and pin # to the winner, and the winner needs to spend the money by or on December 7.

Well said Goey.

I think it'd be both.

Not Ava Gardner. Here's a hint: She was in an episode of The Twilight Zone.

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