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Dot

It may appear at first glance that we disagree but I think that is because I was not very clear in how I interpreted TempleLadys' post. I agree with you on the post by OM. I also agree with you on the rebutal by WW. The difficulty arises in that I thought TLs' response was referring to the broad scope of God sorting things out at the Bema. Perhaps that is what she had in mind. Perhaps that is not at all what she had in mind. The bottom line is that I should not have assumed what she had in mind but rather I should have invited her to elaborate on her statement. Speaking only for myself, I do believe God will sort it all out at the appropriate time. I feel confident I can believe that because God himself gave me revelation to that effect just this morning as I was pumping gas during the greatest snowstorm anyone has seen in over 2,000 years. Fortunately, it let up just in time for me to get to the PFAL class on time. We learned some pretty amazing things there. For example: Jesus was Gods' son! I told my grandson Cletus(that's his name) and he said "Jeepers, Grandpa, who didn't know that?!" What has me puzzled is where he ever heard a word like "jeepers".

Some people never come clean.

I think you know what I mean.

You're walkin' the wire, pain and desire,

Lookin' for love in between.

You betcha!

Now if you will excuse me I have to catch the early show over at The Bijou.

(Their playing "The Monster That Devoured Cleveland")

I'm pretty sure Mrs. Howell(Lovey) said that,so I'm going to toss in a new one.

"I gotta kill that boy, I just gotta!"

Bonus clue:"Now cut that out!"

Didn't The Temptations have an album called Christmas Tree or Christmas Card or something along those lines?

BTW-----If you enjoy the Motown Sound, be sure to check out the dvd titled"Standing in the Shadows of Motown " It's a documentary about the musicians who played the music on all those hits. Good stuff!

That would be "Oh Holy Night"

I'm not sure what artist to cite so whoever gets that, should probably get the next post (if that's OK.)

I too, had heard that his eye problem was caused by the studio lights. It was presented in a way that would make him appear to be a martyr. Of course, it could be true because the movie making process was so new in 1967( or whenever it was) that no one really knew the long term effects of spending a couple weeks on a movie set.

As to the couple who were shown the door in the middle of the night, their exit was due to them participating in an activity that many young single people like to pursue. They were married within days of leaving but have long since divorced. There was also another couple who lost the child they were expecting due to her being required to run and do other physical activities even though she was clearly experiencing difficulties. If I recall correctly, the damage done was permanent and would have prevented the possibilty of future pregnancies. Another one of our FLO brothers suffered an injury that resulted in a very serious infection. He was advised to "get his believing up". He nearly died when sepsis set in and forced him to submit to medical treatment and a hospital stay. There were quite a few others who were shown the door too so I may be confusing these with the parties to whom you are referring. Doctors were definately seen as the enemy and it was considered a sign of spiritual weakness to even have medical insurance. Heck! Just think how much more you could ABS if only you didn't buy insurance!

Lookinging over my post, I realized I had missed an important point. I wasn't really trying to evoke a discussion of what God can or can not heal. Part of what I was trying to say was that these incidents weren't so much about seeing these people get blessed but more about how "wonderful" it would make our mission appear to the unbelievers. Now THERE'S love for ya'! "Trophies" is the word that would best describe it.

Sorry, never heard this one( though the subject matter seems to ring a bell.) :)

She also played Chris Elliotts' mother on "Get a Life" but I don't think there were any episodes that included musical numbers.

Motherof2----I suspect your relatives have been in TWI for a long time and seen many changes regarding the subject of healing. Initially, at least when I got involved in'71(?), There was not so much emphasis placed on what you had done wrong (though the idea was already present), but on seeing God as some sort of magician. In the first twig I attended there was a person who was missing a limb. What a victory it would be if only we and the person could believe for a new limb to sprout forth! There was a person in a neighboring fellowship who was a quadraplegic. No problem! Our magic formula of believing and confessing would surely right this situation. A friend of mine developed a very serious and acute medical condition. Leadership (at HQ level) scorned his fears and ridiculed his desire to deal with the situation medically. Consequenty, he died in short order. Of course, it was really his own fault for not being able to believe.( I'm hoping you see the sarcasm in that last sentence.) I could cited even more examples including one that involved me personally but I think I have made my point. If your relatives have been around since those days, that kind of thinking is probably deeply embedded in their core beliefs. As a parent, you have to do what is best for your child and that includes seeking professional medical help. If they are so concerned that God must deal out the healing let them know that you would welcome their prayers as a supplement. Be prepared though to hear them tell you the "burden of believing" falls on the parent. It used to be that some OT scripture was used to supposedly "prove" this. Prayer can work wonders but not when it is bridled by the conviction that nothing else should interfer. Children are a blessing. We must do whatever it takes to protect and nuture them whether it be medical,spiritual or a combination of both. (Just my opinion)

There I was looking at post #88 when suddenly I could not believe my eyes. CKMc. ,in his own words, disputed the teachings of VPW. Who would have thought it could happen. There on post # 88, CK ,when referring to speaking in tongues , said he felt that SIT daily as a prerequisite to revelation was (and I am using his terminology) A CROCK! And yet on page 10 of the advanced class syllabus, DocVic himself says that key # 3 to walking in the spirit (receiving revelation, in this context) is SIT on a daily basis . It doesn't say this is a suggestion or a good idea, it says that this is a prerequisite. CK, I have to say I agree with you on this one. It is ,to use your description, a CROCK!

You have a valid point,Roy though in my post there was no "s" at the end of the word "friend".

dmiller------- I can't get everything on this old clunker but I saw the visual of what you were referring to. Come to think of it, I have heard this on our local PBS radio station which has an Americana and roots show. Pretty cool stuff as I recall. I dig the sound of mando. though probably not the same stuff as you . I really enjoy Rich DelGrosso and Sam Bush.(not what you would call bluegrass) Didn't someone do something similar with The Stones or Beatles or whatever done in a bluegrass style?

Maybe they could encourage both of the current members to witness to their friend.

Or The James Gang. :)

HMMM!-------Wonder what "Funk #49" would sound like on mandolin?

"why have all those clothes for a three hour tour?"

A. You just never know when the network is going to pick up your pilot.

Gilligan's Island.

Thanks, Mr. Miller.

Geeze! They sure were young. Sigh.

I'm thinking a Google search for him might produce some mixed results.

WG

Breaking news!

Researchers have just discovered that diabetes is caused by over consumption of Swiss chard and oat grotes(remember those?--------shudder!) In addition, the condition may be aggravated by attending seemingly endless boring meetings. :)

Nika-----It's all here somewhere but for a quick and brief answer to Q.#1, you can quickly find that info with a Google search of The First W@y Corps (pictures and all.) As to Q.#2, I'm not sure I would really call it a corps per se. It was really a couple or few people who made a pilgramage of sorts to HQ and somewhat declared themselves to be disciples. It was seat of the pants and any semblance of a "program" was impromptu. There is also more info. on this somewhere here at GS. I'm not so sure I would say they were "disbanded" but rather "reinvented" and replaced with the new and improved model.

Oldies---------I have no desire to call you names,argue with you or provide evidence.

I saw exactly this type of thing happen in the late'70's or early '80's. These were people I knew and cared about. This came directly from HQ via verbal communique. At the time, there was rationalization given but in retrospect it was nothing but a smokescreen. If you weren't exposed to it, that's one more thing you can be thankful for. I have posted on it before . I have no desire to debate the issue or re-post what I've already said.

CK says"I think I'm the oldest one posting here."

Think again,"young lady"!

Now march straight to the chalkboard and write:

"I am NOT the oldest"

"I am NOT the oldest"--------------500 times! :)

TWI was/is a cult. God quite simply does not "punish" people because they have chosen by free will not to support (either financially or by physical participation) the activities of any given cult. Heck, for all I know, maybe God hands out "atta boys!' for REFUSING to support such activity in his name. That does not negate the blessings that God can give for true giving out of your heart. If it's in your heart to shovel your neighbors' walkway or offer a word of encouragement to someone who has had a bad experience, I say by all means "go for it".You see, when you start to see that what you were involved with was nothing more,nothing less than a common cult, it really helps to put your actual obligation to them into perspective. Some people,sadly, just can't accept that they were hoodwinked by common charlatans. That too is their choice and I'm certain God loves them anyway. Real giving is out of genuine desire to do so and doesn't place restrictions on "what" or "how much" or even "when". "Why",on the other hand, plays the all important lead role.

Dot

Who can really say?-----Maybe those fun times actually added by reducing the effects of stress.

I'll be praying for you and so will my grandson Cletus(that's his name). :)