LornaDoone

"It seems like you have chosen to get your counseling from a twi spinoff-------are you sure that you will receive the best insight from another cult? It might be just what you need, but for me...........it would be just the same as calling up twi hq and asking to meet with ole rosie her self for grief counseling." I hope it is what you need.............. Gee Radar, you have such insight. So all spinoffs are cults and I guess you have visited each of them and gotten some great spiritual revelation. You are so critical, I think you should go for counselling. As for comparing TWI to any other spinoff, perhaps you should get to know them better before you mock good, God loving believers. Amazing I have been so busy but I can come back 6 months later and you are still in the same negative frame of mind.

Good response Cat, makes sense

Very interesting posts. On Catcup's other thread I posted about the funds we sent in so you can read it there if you like to. I certainly don't disagree as to the abuse or if anyone has problems with the doctrine. From what is happening, there are those that are in that are being encouraged to say they are sorry? Does that mean the teaching they heard implies that the leadership was not aware of the abuse? Of course they knew and were behind most of it due to the pressure they put on BC, FC. etc. I would never go back and was not asking about that, I was more interested in forgiveness if it were sincere. As far as not trusting them again, trust is earned and it would take them a long time to earn it back but at least those that were severely injured by TWI might get some peace in their lives if they were at least convinced that they were sincere. As far as doctrine, anyone is free to debate those issues. I personally never expected them to be perfect and have utilized the principals of The Word I was taught and they work. As far as giving money back, in which I gave plenty over 29 yrs, I don't even care about it, I gave it to God not TWI and he has blessed me abundantly over an above what I ever expected. One last thought, I honestly cannot say if they are still being so hard on Homos or the Catholic Church etc. I don't think most of us can speculate that they are. I have family in and I don't hear any of that anymore, I think it went out with LCM. thanks for sharing, love you guys (all inclusive noun)

Hi Mark, I hear what you are saying but maybe I didn't make my thoughts clear. I didn't mean that doctrine or research of these different groups should not be discussed, I was more inferring it may be time to let go of any animosity toward certain individuals and move forward. Are we out for blood? Would God want the browbeating to continue? What does the Word say? If discussions were to continue, then would you include discussing the World Wide Church of God, not just TWI. Why pick on one organization over another, you could include most religions in this type of discussion. I personally don't agree with most of the religious groups in this world?

I think not! Why go backwards if you have built a new life with God and his Word? Isn't this ultimately about Him and not pleasing men? Just a thought!

Ummmm! I started a new thread for consideration. I see alto of sarcasm here. If what is said by Catcup is true, many lives will be touched and healed by loved ones that are still "in". This in itself would be a good thing and even though leadership did not officially apologize, it's a starting point in the healing process. I think we have to cut some slack here so you don't thwart possible reconnections by those that have shunned their families. At least if the believers that are still in do this, it will certainly solidify for them that TWI has made huge mistakes. That in itself is a big step in the right direction. The results may be just what TWI needs to make a more formal announcement or at least personal contacts. As for any lawsuits, that should not happen. If the olive branch is being extended the least one can do is accept it. Those within the walls of TWI are probably hurting as much as some of us here. In addition, as to $'s. The money for ABS was given by most of you from the heart. God is still the searcher of all hearts and if you truly gave in that manner, he has and will continue to bless you. God is your sufficiency not man. I also gave for 29 years. I did not give to the TWI ministry, I gave to God. There is no way that he could have blessed me more than he has, either in or out. I still see the results day to day. So maybe a little change of heart is in order here and if it happens it may be time to move on to better interactive conversations. BTW, you don't HAVE to accept an apology but at least they would have done the right thing. JMO

Would you finally let it go if it was based on a sincere apology? Would you stop posting on greasespot about TWI? What would be the right thing to do if they gave a formal apology?

I found another website? Interesting, I haven't browsed it yet but it's: http://www.familytables.net

Why? The only reason I could ever think of going back is to pull them out of the fire!

Boy he changed his tune quick. Maybe he's a greasepot lurker.

I doubt they teach that Chief but if they allow him not to be blocked. , he will be sure to make the "cult watchers" happy. It's sad because he has great enthusiam but in the wrong place.

Well not to change the subject on info at TWI but I did get to My space.com and was finally blocked along with John Richeson. Check this thread at My space. The Way International Question: One of TWI members has a newbie who asked some honest questions about the book of Revelation. April 29, 2006 posting. from TWI believer " Revelation is a very unique book as it is the only book in the bible that takes place in the future. When did TWI start teaching that the Book of Revelation is the only book in the Bible that is future? What about Hebrews and the biggie THESSALONIANS.

WG I have a problem believing this as a one year old does not talk and they would never understand what apologize even means. Sorry but this one is over the top.

Been away too long, . Can't wait for more of Bills insight. Anyway if it's today I'm a ready to go. If it's in the future, near or far I am ready to go. Just keep on trucking for the Lord.

Can't be owned by TWI II/III or whatever they are this week. They would be encouraging debt to offer monthly payments.

Sorry for spouting off!

Woa DJ, God is so blessed with you and your open heart to him. I believe the things you were taught as a little girl was exactly what God wanted for you. You responded in a Godly way and he was able to have you hear what you needed but your heart did not become corrupt. I loved TWI in the early days. My family and I were so blessed. However; with the legalism (telling my husband after 25 yrs that he had to sell our house to get out of debt, what crap, our home has tripled in the last 10 yrs., this was our investment and nest egg & God has multiplied it back), they are so damn nosey it makes one sick. You saw it and are still seeing it under the guise of their being nice now. However TRUST is earned and people do not believe them anymore. They had their chance and blew it. God has moved on. I know just how you feel. When the 1st split came I was so in denial. How could God allow this to happen when we had all been praying for "our ministry" for years. It just could not happen...... I finally saw that it was no longer "our ministry" but that of a few people who wanted to be "heads of The Body of Christ". All chiefs and no Indians. Excuse the pun. However; God cannot work in concrete hearts and that's what happened. He HAD to move on for His Word to live again & heal all those who were so loyal. I have seen more in the last 6 years than in the last 15. God is alive and working thru those who are faithful in heart to him. It's like the Tower of Babel. When they stopped being true to God and wanted their little sub culture, he had to confound them so they would again move out. Well that's TWI today. They have some really nice people there BUT it's just a religion and that is NOT what God wants. Those that shun family members make me want to puke. They are so full of fear that their leader.... will get on their backs and they don't know how to handle it. God forbid they should say they went home and had a wonderful time. Good Lord even unbelievers treat their families better than that. This is all so ungodly and it's a perversion of The Word. So he is tugging at your heart and you have nothing to lose because you cannot make a mistake with God. Fear would be the only thing holding you back. TWI will never do what is needed to really heal The Body of Christ that they DESTROYED. They have to take responsibility and they never will so, God has to move elsewhere. DJ do not be afraid. You can heal the sick, raise the dead & teach like crazy with all the LOVE OF GOD in your heart. You do not need them, they have nothing to offer but dead sermons and playing at church. I hear all the time about how bored people are. They are really disheartened at what has happened and they long for the former fellowship that they know is available. So go do it. You will be amazed how many will be there with you. An honest question. Do you really believe God is limited to TWI? So let us know when and where we can help you. There are alot of truly loving people out there waiting for the Word, (not religion) and you have the answers. Give it a go and be patient. Just have fun every day and love God. *%^#* the devil off and be joyful and happy again. Hugs to you honey, you are the best. None of us will ever be perfect but most here have learned that we are an important part of The Body of Christ and God's will must be first. :)

Hi DJ I don't get to the computer too often but I really believe you have to ask yourself if The Way International has become a CULT. Whenever any group isolates themselves as "the group", when in reality they are only part of The Body of Christ, then something is radically wrong. I can tell you from still having family members in that they are still being taught (corps) to shun relatives that have left. In addition there is sickness at TWI that should not be, serious stuff for young believers and I attribute it to stress. Again I am talking about Corps. Joe believer may not see what is going on behind the scenes. So I am going to quote The Word on the subject of LEGALISM: "Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." DJ The legalism is still there, they are not an open door ministry like when Dr. W. was there. If you are not with them they believe you are against them, unlike what Jesus said. They still believe that they have the truth and the truth be told, many have moved on from TWI and are beginning to see GREAT SIGNS, WONDERS & MIRACLES AGAIN AND GREAT HEALINGS. You will know them by their fruit and they are not having much fruit. I am talking about healings, signs, wonders and miracles. They do not treat their Corps. well, they have menial health care, they really don't have a pension, God is bigger than TWI, DJ, so just a little food for thought.

George the bible is not written to unbelievers, nor is God responsible to do anything for them. So you will not at this time bring about world anything.

Well if it's not "PFAL", I guess they don't have to let you in. I bet they have a new name. :unsure:

I really loved our twig in the 70's. Everything was so spontaneous and God inspired. We really enjoyed just hanging out with the Word at the center and focus was on prayer and getting needs met. The signs, wonders and miracles were there all the time. I think it depended on the people you were with and the quality and love of certain leaders who were really in it for their love of service. Now they do not serve anything but .... and they are rapidly going down the tubes. Boring is not the Word for it. Remember sincerity is NO guarantee for truth. IMHO

From experience, I firmly believe that I would much rather depend on God than any money I earned. So therefore ABS, giving, tithe, whatever you call it, is such a great tool that God trusted to us to see that tight relationship with Him grow into complete dependance on Him. He truly wants to be our sufficiency. In addition, I can't see how anyone would ever want to give less than the tithe, if that was required back in the O.T. when they were not direct sons and daughters of God. Is it fear that keeps people hashing the subject or is it that people are really having a problem in the area of giving. This is one of the areas that I really worked on when I first got into the word. It was always from the heart. I was so thankful to find that by sharing back to God I really, truly had his protection for myself, my family and it would aid my spiritual growth. To call it tithe probably is wrong but at least it's a beginning point for many who want to build on that foundation. I think the main issue is to help people get over the fear of not giving. I hear many say that they gave for years and did not see the fruit. I would guarantee if they were not being mechanical and being coerced into giving they HAD to have fruit. God never fails us.

HAHAHAHAHA, but you forgot about "THE PRESENT TRUTH". New heavy revvie from God for the DOGFOT. That's Director Of God For Our Time. Almost sounds like Dog Fart. LOLROFLMAO Go to it Rosie.

God this is a great topic. How I pray many more will be pulled out of the fire. Is it possible that TWI will fall. Soon I hope, there are many more good people there who are just blinded by