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  1. TLC: What difference does it make to the topic of dispensationalism? (None whatsoever, as far as I can tell.) In fact, it doesn't appear to me to make much difference most anywhere else either. T&O: Whether it makes any difference to you or your thoughts concerning dispensationalism makes zero difference to me. But since there are many in the dispensational view that hold that the Tanakh is not applicable to them or this "age", this is a rather decent verse stating just how applicable the Tanakh is to both Timothy and us today. As it states rather plainly th
  2. I'm not so certain I really favor that "translation"... I think it could be understood a couple other ways... According to "Elliot's Commentaary" it reads: Thus, the emphasis, and the point is not as to marking what is "theopneustos", but that whatever is "theopneustos" has a purpose.. The question of what is "theopneustos" is still left open. Another view from Greek, is that there are 2 things noted.. Both are types of "writings" - (graphe), as in "Every God inspired and profitable writings are for doctrine, for reproof, ....." Again, nothing is being labelled as "theopne
  3. Maybe I understand your thinking. It's not thought of as seed, except it is with a caveat.. I guess as long as it makes sense to you. While you're right, that seed is seed. But like many words, it has different shades of meaning depending on context, so I'm not so certain I would try and paint everything with such a wide brush as only this one "exception" in historical/looking forward sense. As I would tend to also think that God uses it, like so many other things, in more than one sense at the same time.
  4. You disagree that we have all been called to function as priests.. Would it be because you have a different view of what a priest is? Or because the definition doesn't seem to fit those called of God? And to help clarify, the word priest (kohen in Hebrew) is rooted in the meaning of one who stands sure, as a support for others. Long before Christ, the Roman kings were given the honorific title of the great priest, not solely because they were over all "religious" priests but also because they stood and gave support for the people they ruled. Would you not say that we are called to give su
  5. I've made no boasts or claims of my agricultural knowledge. In fact, in all categories of life, I consider myself unknowledgeable, with "novice" being an overstated title. And yes, John 12:24 does state rather plainly "that a seed dies", only the death of seed wasn't questioned, it was your emphasis on "not remaining".. Since in your words the "seed does not remain", and the "seed" is Christ. Thus my question, so according to you does Christ not remain? Or is Christ not the seed of Abraham?
  6. I'm glad to see you added the prefix "partial" to preterist... As full preterism make no sense to me, so I won't bother you with those questions, since you don't believe it either.. And I can't say I'm a full futurist either... Eschatology as whole is not something I place much thought or diligence into figuring out.
  7. I think I am understanding a bit where you're coming from. But I tend to disagree.. You say that "certain aspects of the law are certainly still in effect" and mention the ten commandments.. But others are not... How does one decide what isn't in effect and which is? Just because the physical temple is rubble at the moment, and Jews refuse to offer sacrifices until it is rebuilt (which I think it will), what actually says the laws requiring them are not in in effect while the "other" laws are? And which ten commandments? You know the list of commandments in the scriptures where it uses the
  8. So in not so many words, you didn't quite grasp my "supposed" clarification of "His gift that is promised"? Seeing that it was my attempt at clarification, and it didn't seem to do that, maybe you can explain what you don't understand.. His gift? Yes, salvation... You understand I don't use the term salvation as being just one event, yes? Not one future event, nor past, nor present. But many events. Understandable?
  9. While there are lots of passages throughout the scriptures that point to a "soon", "at hand", "little while" aspect to the "end times", and I realize those taking them literally from the perspective of a timeline of all history can see it as either failed prophecies or the different "preterist" views. I don't think they "must" be understood that way alone. Much like many prophecies throughout, they had a literal "current" understanding and a future understanding. Call them physical vs spiritual, or whatever depending on the prophecy. But even Haggai 2 talks about the end coming in a sho
  10. The word law is such a diverse topic, used in so many different contexts, that no doubt it at times is just one aspect of a covenant. But I think that it is just too big a topic to add to this discussion that I don't believe would help.. But maybe you're thinking it does? Maybe help guide us a bit into your thinking?
  11. Whether you see 2 or lots of individual ones really isn't so much the point. God says things in so many ways, and the repeats, I think, are just so those who seek Him will always find something that they grasp. Much like all the different forms of Dispensations and Covenant theology.. I don't think any of them or any of us have a corner on understanding the depth of God's plan. But I think we can all agree, God has a plan yes? To me, it's just sad that many think God has different plans that cause division in the end. The us vs them mentality. The church is divided. Jews are divided. G
  12. I must not be understanding what you are defining here. "Seed" has always been Christ.. So, what is it again that doesn't remain? Christ? And John 12:24 doesn't refer to seed "not remaining", only to it producing fruit... Actually what I referenced, Ephraim and Judah, Israel and Judah is what the scriptures state. And as usual in the scriptures, just as Abraham's seed, there is a physical truth and there is a spiritual truth. David's son that was prophesied to die, was both a physical and spiritual. His temple, physical and spiritual. This continues from the heavens and earth all t
  13. In case no one answered this, Hebrews 8:13 just says, "When He[G-d] said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.".. As it says, it is growing old and ready to disappear [NASB]... That is, the covenant that brings death, the old covenant of the law. So until you find death no longer happening on this earth, you can pretty much guarantee it is still in effect. As the christian writings state, "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;" and "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
  14. If I'm talking in circles for you, then feel free to point out what doesn't make sense..
  15. I'm not sure I would call that "contradictory".. Since the world began, people have been breeding plants and animals for certain traits. That article just shows the progression of THC content in the marijuana plant. That's not even close to what I was talking about. This isn't about breeding, this is about worldwide decline. And I would have no doubt that our "breeding" for certain traits plays into ruining the nutritional value of plants. Whether breeding for brighter reds or more output, as a whole, our organic food is not as healthy as it used to be. And as most point out, it just me
  16. I understand what you're saying. Will it ever get as bad as the Thunderdome?! Who knows.. It certainly isn't headed in the right direction. Monsanto (now part of Bayer) has good and bad employees like all others. Those looking for money, and those just doing their job needing to make a living. Some brilliant scientists and genetic engineers. But then, God created those seeds with more thought than all mankind put together, so I doubt their resulting product will end up being any better for the entire worldwide eco-system. Especially since the majority of companies are in the end, for pr
  17. Yes, the ol' us vs them.. Distinctions and separations. Not that there isn't a "set apart" body of Christ.. But then, that's God's separation not man(woman) made and since we know not the heart of humans, it's outside us. Didn't someone do a topic once on defining cults.. I kind of recall that "us vs them" doctrine being a primary mover.. Even non-Christians would agree we all came from the same origin, share the same, and ought to be here to help one another..
  18. "another covenant", can be referred to as a covenant with it's basis in law. A covenant based on conditions. It is this covenant given to Adam and Eve, that once they failed to heed those conditions, they were kicked out of the garden. There are 2 covenants. Galatians 3 sets these forth. The one of promise, which Christ is the mediator of, which is by promise. The other has it's basis in the law. They both have been in effect. And they both are important until death has had it's final defeat. They both are good. Just because the law brings death, Romans still says it is considered goo
  19. Yes, I'm sure. And I don't think one reason would be sufficient. There are quite a few. But one of the reasons, was as a shadow. For His people. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel (Rom 9). But God has and will intentially separate His people from all the "other" peoples of this earth. Israel was the name given to the man, Jacob. He came from Isaac, a shadow of Christ. And Jacob, a man of the flesh, who, like all men of the flesh wrestle against God (figuratively, as Hosea says Jacob wrestled with an angel, while Jacob says He saw God face to face), just as we all fought with God u
  20. "It" is salvation in any sense. Past, present, or future. Tiny or Large. Any and all, by His grace and promise, his gift. And, "it" has been promised and fulfilled many a times over in varied ways. Just as much as "it" refers to current, and there are future promises. Again "it" is not one specific thing outside of God's deliverance, His saving, and His restoration in part or in whole. Gifts of healing. Gifts of rescue. Gifts of God.. By His grace and promise. But of course, since the word "salvation" is singular, we use singular nouns of "gift" and "promise", but it gets a bit tough whe
  21. While I can't say much in regard to chess, novice would be an overstatement. I don't think either of us would be saying that God is just playing a big galactic game with us as actors or pawns in that game, would we?
  22. Yes, it's rather impossible to know many specifics of the past. And while God's creation "still" can amaze us, it is very much "still" cursed because of it's inhabitants as Isaiah 24 AND Genesis 3 says. So I'm glad you agree, it's still cursed! Because of it's inhabitants.. And they both say just that. It hasn't been fixed. While I love how plants are still able to grow. The ground has had it's minerals and nutrients leeched, and most "fruit" from the ground no longer contains all that it used to in times past. Fertilizers are used to try and add some back in, but no human is able to put hump
  23. I debated whether I should wade into this discussion, not really knowing whether I'd have the proper time to respond.. But I wanted to at least throw out a "different" view for whatever it's worth.. To me, the different Dispensational and Covenantal theologies (since there are a myriad of both) never seem to fit completely for me.. Most "Covenant Theologies" went out the door (or at least out of favor) after World War 2, the reason being that most(not all) espoused replacement theology. That is, Israel was replaced with the Church, which in light of the Holocaust was a big big No No (thi
  24. Glad I could clear that up for you. I think it's a rather large leap to jump from God having a plan, to us being without our own will just acting out said plan. Especially since part of that plan was not just for the messiah that would redeem us, but also for all whom were to be redeemed, which certainly weren't just robots playing a role in His galactic movie. I'm pretty sure we all can agree on that, yes?
  25. So what would you call the polluted ground we live on? Blessed? While the earth may not have been "cursed again" by God since Noah, it certainly hasn't been restored, which leaves it rather still cursed. I would think that was rather plain to see in life. Thus my "sarcasm".. Not directed at you, nor to your belief, which I actually didn't realize you had, so if my sarcasm offended you, I apologize. But even Isa 24 speaks of a curse devouring this earth, and Romans 8 continues that theme. You were fishing for a better answer.. And my "better" answer is, "does one exist?"... I don't b
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