cman

Being burnt by a religion who claimed to know God and that you could know him too, is a major setback for most in their search for this God that so many say they believe. Or Jesus Christ in which many to profess to be their Lord and Savior.

Religions are Gods themselves and to the extent that a person lets such religion decide for them what to believe it then becomes that person's god. It carrys with it more power then the person and is blameless because their is no end of questions being answered without any real solid proof or foundation. Most not all accept whatever religion offers of their choosing and happily-sometimes-moves on. Others of course are more deadly and harmful as we know.

If one comes to the point of casting religion aside, I believe this to be a good start in actually evaluating one's beliefs. Assuming that this person still seeks this God.

Let's change the name God and Jesus Christ to a name of your choice. Any name. Just to get the old religion thinking out of mind and be able to consider that their could be something that is there but not yet realized.

I mean after all is said and done, in a few short years others will take this spot you now hold. You will be dead and others will question again. As it has been going on for a long time. And when we no longer appear to the living as the men and woman that we are now. Could there possibly be another side of the story of Man.

Blameing me for you not knowing something is pretty silly.

Do you have an answer that makes sense & doesn't insult my intelligence?

Yeah, no one wants their intelligence insulted, can't have that now can we.

Lindy has a grasp on the matter as well as a few here.

God loves a good riddle and a good riddle solved that leads to another.

Why did God create the Devil?

Why did God create Man should be the question.

For therein is the devil. And God. And heavens and earth and all that is within it.

And it's not how I sound so much as how it's heard.

So I should say I don't know when I do.

And just because you don't see the 'bible' lining up with real life doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

The bible isn't understood because few want to understand.

Most want it handed to them, instead of working for it the way it says to get an understanding of it.

Furthermore those who speak words that not only open the scriptures but the heart and life of God, are ignored.

Why do you George imply that everyone (or as you say 'religious folks') are saying what you say they are saying.

Huh????

If I had the answers I wouldn't give them to someone who does not want them.

humbleness or meekness to me just means that i know i don't know and asking from that kind of heart from the heart

not asking to lord it over anyone or asking just to know something i think someone else doesn't know

and ready to change my thinking should that be required and it usually is

When it makes sense, you'll know it.

This is what faith is in.

That which has been shown to you by God.

And it will most likely be senseless at first,

or even a bit startling.

If you are not getting answers,

review the question and review what you are expecting.

Cause it won't be what you expect, but it will be right for you.

For example:

The _________ can't answer:

____________________________________________________________________________.

I'm going to take this as questions about God.

Yeah, ha, 'they' are not God.

So 'they' can't answer any question about God.

God can and does answer to the one asking God.

People can only suggest or direct.

And also people do speak being moved by the Holy Spirit even today.

This is to stir up that which is within, and the answers will still come from there.

When one stops looking to people for answers and choose God and ask.

The answers will come. If one has the humbleness to receive it.

So be careful about what you ask for, you will get it.

Wow Eagle,

Seen in a different light.

Your post has a lot to offer.

Probably all the problems right there basically.

come on Mr. L.

quit the double talk

you'll get the same respect everyone else does

it's you who lacks the courage to speak

your letter says nothing

your name is not important, neither is mine

quit being so self absorbed and trying to hide behind other people

this is how you were taught to communicate

is it right?

consider looking at it from outside your own interests

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dizzydog-

Perhaps your vision of him needs a little focus yourself.

Yes it does, I always must be doing something to get a clearer view.

1 John 1:5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Chapter 2

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

This is the progressing growing fellowship-hand in hand love that has been missed by twi and probably most of it's offshoots.

The lusts of the flesh have blinded many from this great truth.

Electing to ask forgiveness, rather then accepting it in humbleness,

has led to more and more sinning and asking forgiveness,

and is a backwards progress into a growing hatred of Christ.

Billy D.

This is not what the Lord taught nor does it have any biblical or spiritual reasoning.

I can forgive you and I know our Lord will if you ask Him to.

Since the Lord paid for our sins, forgiveness of them is an automatic.

It's this kind of thinking and teaching that is killing true Love.

Confession of sin is not asking for forgiveness.

This changing of what was accomplished by the cross,

and great lack of comprehending what was done,

and spiritual ignorance from lack of spiritual sight,

has and will continue to feed the carnal, fleshly based mindset.

And quench the Spirit of God.

Colossians 3:12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

the ces website-

http://stfonline.org/

No real purpose is seen in any of it's pages.

All I see is people being ordered to act a certain way.

And believe what stf believes.

Yes I think the individual growth of a person is paramount.

But you can't grow in a box or cage like this.

Everyone is different, therefore this should be respected.

I do not see this respect at ces-stf whatever.

There is no purpose to promote the individuals awareness of God or Christ or the Spirit.

It's purpose is self centered on it's own choosing and not letting God work His way accordingly in a person.

They have chosen the path that God is to make.

Big mistake!

Why not just let God work His way in a person instead of caging him.

You cannot order God around.

Let God work his way.

If one puts a person or group of people on a pedastal.

They will all fall down.

No one is any more important to God then anyone else.

There is no respect of persons in this regard.

And people should be treated for what they are.

God's children.

And receive His Kingdom God's way not man's way.

the biblical answer

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yeah right.....as if.....

they can argue over that one till they are dead

For the record I am not ckmkeon.

Somehow somewhere someone thought I might be.

Received a PM inquiring so I thought I'd make it clear.

I'm not.

This is a long thread so perhaps I even missed who was talking to who.

cman, I may be dreaming it but I think you've stated, in the big scheme of things of life, the "organizations" don't mean much and it's the people who do.

That's what it's all about, isn't it? The more I read your posts the more I'm reminded of that, the simple common sense of the forest being the trees. Take care of the trees, and there will be a grand forest. From one tree to another, thanks, man. :)

Thanks socks, organizations carry no weight with me.

Even ones that I'm involved in.

It is the people and individuals that are important.

And with common ordinary teamwork great things happen in individual lives.

Thanks Radar, but I've wasted enough time on cultists that don't want to change. There is one Jesus Christ who leads honest hearts to the truth. And my heart is just not into being in the middle of them. They should both know of Greasespot also. If they don't then they are truly blinded.

And for the one, whoever it was that says there were leaders because there were followers. I'll say who was the one leading the ones that it says they followed.

Leadership is leading by doing, serving, not doing it for you.

Paul and others were observed and seen to be doing things.

Others followed their EXAMPLE.

That don't mean the followers duplicated their every move.

And were not told what to do and how to do it.

Such a finite limited view of Christ.

12And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

This only chapter 5 of Acts folks.

Acts 1 must be attained.

There is no group think as some would suppose.

When will will a person learn to stand?

There is no leaders-only servants.

Yes Dot,

Twi and ces...though twi is afraid to move much...

ces has moved into some things with a whole lot of guess work and

as twi's tradition is-self-serving.

Ces has taken Wierwielle's work further.

Further away from exploring the true heavens and earth.

Yet they parallel it in a crooked bent fashion that is detestable to Reality.

God's reality which is the here and now.

Everything in the bible and the books that could be written, as John says,

is accessible now, by progressing into seeing the unseen and hearing the unheard.

Hearing they shall not hear

Seeing they shall not see

The words are there, in part, but not the heart.

God is the heart, therefore the heart is what sees God.

God is the heavens and earth within, which is seen as reflection of the Spirit without.

(please note I didn't say direction of the spirit but reflection)

Well outofdafog,

I'm not apologizing to you or anyone. I know I come on strong. Sometimes that's what it takes if that is where I'm led.

Seeing things and saying them will bring the heat on.

I can take it.

So regardless of what someone else may think I'm saying I'll say it anyway.

Some get it, some don't.

Don't know if any one does.

But I had to say what I said so I said it.

Still Love You, Still Care and Still a part of this here forum.

Ces is still in the same rut as twi or a drunk.

Take your pick.

Consumed by self-importance and selfish greed.

Talking about these so called leaders of ces.

It's the blind leading good people into the ditch.

And those who blindly support them.

Peace to you outofdafog.

I didn't bring up alcohol.

So don't read what I'm saying into AA.

I didn't hear it there anyway.

I heard it today.

Thank You Very Much.

I don't think so therebutforgrace.

Ces has never left twi either.

Nor has twi left ces.

And can be seen in such posts as clear as day.

Those who choose to sleep through being attacked can if they wish.

But it still takes it's toll.

I have no problems with you Garth.

But I already know Oldies method of operation.

Seen it for years now and wonder how he can honestly look in the mirror.

Oldies mirror is about

oldies life.

The mirror is about the eye.

This one is full of darkness.

And he likes it that way.

So I'm pointing it out for our new arrivals.

Sorry Oldies, don't look like any one wants your drunkenness.

And it's not the drink it's your bottle of poison.

Don't see anyone taking that bait you keep throwing out.

Try TWI off of highway 29 just south of New Knoxville.

They probably still have some just for you.

In fact you never even left have you Oldies?

Or you are just in love with hatred.

No thanks, I don't drink alcohol.

But just like abuse of alcohol has made a path in the brain.

So has the abuse of one's ownself and others.

A path that is not easy to get off of.

It takes doing.

Few have the courage and willingness to DO.

Sure it's easy to fire those endorphins with alcohol.

Just lift the bottle and drink.

Yet the damage it does is not worth the price.

Because it's not right-it's been done too much for too long.

SAME THING with this abuse of self and everyone who comes in contact with this,

a wine of a spiritual drunk

NOT WILLING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES

To naturally get natural results.

And spiritually to get REAL Spiritual results.

Sloths and Gluttons or plain Lazy.

Ok my 2 recent posts refer to J. S.

post 379 page 19

Went back again to be sure