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my family and peace in my mind is more important then the bottle if i pick it up again i won't put it down it is a disease you did not hear pond it's real and a disease and only one way to stop it is to stop-period certain people for whatever reason are alcoholics the reasons are becoming cleare and the help is even clearer and works

thanks psalm 71, the good that is within is meant to come out aa is one means of making that happen there are more thanks for your prayers staying sober forever love clay

excathedra, check your e-mail and pm

one person asked about prayer and meditation i got to contribute a little i hope i helped the other questions and ANSWERS are helping me you can give someone the answer but they really already have it it just brings it to the surface that person can acknowledge or not do or not do no one can force that person that person must do it themselves

hi ex, this shows me that he didn't do the program didn't do the steps and no aa doesn't turn out non alcoholic clones everyone is different what one does with it doesn't mean another will do the same sure you can go and not change it's not a magic pill and great for you waterbuffalo i'm proud of you

whatever problems you have will still be there after drinking perhaps even worse if there's nothing you can do about your problems today then do something about what you can do there will be more days to solve problems little by little sometimes but you can't think with alcohol in your mind clear thinking clearer solutions

that's part of it bow one day at a time don't let yourself get hungry eat don't eat too much though..lol then there's another problem feeling lonely? call someone go shopping do what it takes to not be lonely except drink feeling sorry for yourself? look at what you do have not at what you don't friggin tv has people drinking all the time it should be against the law

the thought to have one and that you can handle it will come it's only a thought don't let it grow to action kick it out nothing wrong with the thought they will happen it's what you decide stay in control call your sponser i have a few numbers people gave me without asking they know yes alcohol is legal but lethal more then cigs

thank you bowtwi tears are in my eyes it will always be the decision to not take that first drink always cause that's the way it is like i said it's past the point of no return no return to even one drink or nyquil cold medicine or anything with alcohol

btw-there is no charge to go to aa it is funded solely by donations and if you think it's another twi then you haven't been there yet

There comes a time in some people's lives that alcohol is no longer under control. These people cannot have just one drink or beer and be done with it. It has gone past the point of no return. To the point that one drinks until the bottle can't be lifted anymore. These are people from all walks of life. I saw it. Alcohol has now taken over and common sense or any sense of doing right is clouded and at the worst hurtful and dangerous. There is nothing wrong with the person except it is a disease. Once considered incurable by leading Doctors and Psychiatrists. But there is hope and no one can do it for you.You must decide that yes I have a problem. I am an alcoholic. I can't overcome it without help. The help in the past was to lock you away in prison or a sanitarium. Unless you are still hiding it well. There is help today, but you must want it and admit that the power of alcohol has overtaken your power to stop drinking. Your life is unmanageable if you can't mange to stop at one drink. There is more then the twelve suggestions. Lots more in print to help. But you must want it and want to see your life start going back up instead of down. There were people from all walks of life. From the homeless to executives. People who looked in the mirror and got tired of what they saw, and as they saw it getting worse. There is no religious requirements and God is not taught. We pray at the end-The Lords Prayer. We want his will in our lives ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN. I cannot and will not post from the book they gave me. Because you have to go there and see and get help. Besides the copyright thing probably. But I can speak my mind. No one has a copyright on that.

Is that what I said Seth, No. You said that. You don't know cause you don't ask or listen. There is no magic formula. I have NEVER SEEN so much HONESTY and CARE in one room in my life. And it ain't the sobbing but straight from the heart. No wonder Wierwille hated it, he feared it. I'll post more as I see fit.

The 12 Suggested Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

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Sorry for not getting back to you sooner bowtwi. Been busy with personal stuff, but, thanks for the input!-

a half truth is not truth it's a lie and yes i see what you are driving at for me the only good was that i read the bible God put it together for me and continues to do so cause you can't live on yesterday's manna

I also believe 'it' operates in us. We do not operate it. For it is God that worketh in you..... NOT the other way around.

9 what? and what happened to thinking one thought at a time? o i guess u mean manifestation(s) so you can sit interpret prophesy word of wisdom word of knowledge discern spirit(s) faith miracles gifts of healing all the time...hmmm agree with the list but not the implementation as per twi doubt seriously if very many experienced the intensity it takes to see them happen intensity or single mindedness or actually being to the point that these function and being that there would be a situation calling for 'it' and you might notice that you left out other great gifts as well by the way...welcome to GreaseSpotCafe

which is free and not limited to any man made church, The churches are within.

Wondering what people use their computer for. Personally I have a few forums I frequent. Of course Greasespot too. But what is it really doing for us? My sons play games on line and get more out of them then me. Personally I play chess on line at gameknot.com. So kind of an inquire of ideas. By the way, got tired of dancing, now I'm cman, simple to the point. That which is least. Love clay.