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If Adam didn't do what he did then Jesus couldn't have brought to perfection as he did. In the day that you eat you shall surely die. You will become like gods knowing good and evil. The first Adam gave his life to save ours. Jesus finished the work. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. 24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Had Adam not done what he did we would not have righteousness. Why do you think the first and last Adam are compared so much?

Christ has always been the Savior. The last Adam underestimated. The first is underestimated also.

Back to the letter i suppose..... So who in hell did he become? And don't bother me with no curse cause it's done with. You can have it. Or not. Not me.

The condemnation and curse are done away with, even in the old testament it was an illusion unchecked. Just as it is today for those who still live under the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the heart. Jesus exposed it, the curse the devil, for what it is and it died with him. Still it takes some learning of the letter for some in order to progress from carnal to spiritual. And that letter is more then the bible. Be a damn shame if one had to know the friggin bible to know God. Has he limited himself to books? Can he not teach Himself to us? Where are we looking for this God to answer us?

Now your getting it Free Soul. Just takes a little sense to put some things together. Gen 1:1 In the beginning.... What beginning? Yours. 1 John 1 This is the light that is spoken of.

Excellent point WW. My oldest son is ADD according to the tests they gave my younger son who they thought was ADD. lol...it was kind of funny when they sent us the test to watch and test our youngest son and see that he wasn't ADD but the test fit our oldest son perfectly just about. And yeah our oldest was a loner and had some bad habits that were not usual. We continued to point them out to him fairly consistently, but not in a way that would start some big uproar, just a reminding him of the fact that some of these habits might hold him back or hinder him in the things that he wants to accomplish. That was around 7 to even now when he is 17. And he got harassed at school as he grew older and the principal stepped in and warned the entire student body of harassment and even of physical assault. Many of the teachers said he would probably be running companies that the ones bugging him would be working for. So really, you just might have quite the genius right there with you. And the point is, and it is what you are already doing, gentle reminders and getting the right info about these things. Talking about it with the teachers and others that know of the positives of a child that seems to be 'different'.

Hi Abi, This a challenge for most people in general, but may help. In your specific situation I'm sure there are more that are quite similar. Try to help him make his world a place where he doesn't have to fight anything. In other words whatever problem there is get that problem into the right hands. Hands that can handle whatever is being fought against. For example- A person at work told another person at work that I was taking longer breaks then I should which is not true. Now I could have tryed to handle it myself but insterad I went straight to a power greater then me, which is my boss and told her. This took the problem out of my hands and into the proper hands to handle that particular situation. So a problem with him being harassed at school is not really his problem- it's the ones who are doing the harassing. Therefore a power greater then them must intercede. Keep going up the power chain till you get them to act. Of course I think you already know this. But don't give up and stop looking for more help. Your child can get help, more is known then some think. So you may need to educate them in order for them to act. And then they should know where to get that help. It's their JOB. Perhaps they need to be reminded of this. Being harassed at school is against the school rules for one thing. Whoever is doing it should be reported.

(copy and pasted from a security inter-office email, taking out the local info) I have received information from law enforcement sources in reference to a new scam being used to obtain your identity. This scam has been reported in 11 states. The victim receives a telephone call from someone acting as if they are from the clerk of court's office. The caller informs the victim that they ignored a mailed request for the victim to appear for jury duty. When the victim denies ever receiving such a request the caller in a stern and rather forceful tone, advises that there has been a warrant issued for the victims arrest. They further advise that the victim needs to provide a social security number and a date of birth in order to cancel the warrant. In some cases they have even requested a credit card number to confirm the victims identity. Do to the strong tactics of the caller and everyone's fear of being arrested the callers have been very successful in obtaining the requested information. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Court System have posted alerts on their respective web sites about this scam. REMEMBER: NEVER GIVE YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION OUT OVER THE TELEPHONE ON INBOUND CALLS, UNLESS YOU ARE 100% CERTAIN OF WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO. IF YOU EVER RECIEVE A CALL FROM SOMEONE CLAIMING YOU HAVE AN ARREST WARRANT YOU CAN VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF THE WARRANT BY CALLING YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND HAVING THEM CHECK FOR YOU. IF YOU RECIEVE A CALL LIKE THIS, PLEASE REPORT IT TO YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

Let me put a simple way Geo, Let's say there's a God that is simple yet immensely powerful. And yet so easy to see and let this God work, that it's unbelievable. I'd have to let that God show you cause I can't. You look at me through your perception and want me to explain something. I can speak words but what you do with them is out of my hands. So I won't just banter and bicker about something you say you don't want anyway.

Plenty, but they would probably be different then others, or the same also in many ways. For myself? naaahhhh I ain't nothin'-just nothin' being able to distinguish something.

Hi George, hmmm no I'll pass on that one. besides why question my beliefs, or what you think I believe anyway if you want to listen, fine, but I don't think this is the case same old analytical, disintegration tactics that are a waste of my time I will say that I didn't expect what I got. In fact never considered the idea as I do now. God, Devil, Spirit.... What do they really mean anyways?

4I am as one mocked of his neighbour, who calleth upon God, and he answereth him: the just upright man is laughed to scorn. 5He that is ready to slip with his feet is as a lamp despised in the thought of him that is at ease. 6The tabernacles of robbers prosper, and they that provoke God are secure; into whose hand God bringeth abundantly. 7But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. 9Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? 10In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. 11Doth not the ear try words? and the mouth taste his meat? from Job Certainly more then we are used to hearing. And the words do mean more then what's on the surface imo.

Yes could be the 'the fowls of the air' that don't sow reap or gather, is a bird of a different feather. Thus putting more weight on the 'your heavenly Father' feeds them. Making a another distinction even in the next line- 'Are ye not much better than they' Is that saying there is a difference or there isn't. Still it says quit worrying about yourself and seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness.

Seems i missed all these responses on this thread. Been working a lot. Thanks sirg..ugotit dude.. And FreeSoul, if you could not read or add words into my post they may make more sense to you...or not i don't know If there was not man would there even be a devil? If there was not man would there even be a god? Why is it that the devil is focused on? This is my point here. Why is there man? That's the question. Without man why would there be a god or devil. Why are they not considered to be something totally different then we were taught? Why are many staying with the same old god verses devil deal? People love the us against them characterazations. And I'm called an elitist? Or sound like one? HaHa...been called worst then that.

And I already made this POINT. Should have ended it with a question mark i guess... Cause you seemed to have missed the point.

Nice sirg... Can go quite a way with that one for sure. So George you want a point huh? Do you know everything that you have that you can not see? And if you can't see it, does that mean that it's not there? or you just don't see it? Another point- You can be thinking something right now that no one can see. Where do you see it? There's plenty of points to consider IF one wants to consider them. Don't have to believe a thing, or buy a thing, just consider. But many are happy in their own little thought life, and refuse to consider other thoughts. Which is fine with me. But don't tell me that there isn't more to consider. Cuz I already know there is, have seen it, experienced it, lived it. And that 'IT' just may be there for you, designed with you in mind.

Good point George and Exactly what I'm talking about. Do you know everything you have? Inside and Out? We'll probably never grasp it all.... That's why one can never really say they have the answer for someone else. It must come from within yourself and continue from there. I will not live in a bubble of someone else's idea or even my own. But will continue to explore the universe of the mind. Which is thoughts that are not seen....invisable.

Or no name since the names of God and Jesus Christ have been so abused. Not to slight who they are or what they do. But just to give the mind a break from fighting that which may be a hinderance to sound thinking.

Being burnt by a religion who claimed to know God and that you could know him too, is a major setback for most in their search for this God that so many say they believe. Or Jesus Christ in which many to profess to be their Lord and Savior. Religions are Gods themselves and to the extent that a person lets such religion decide for them what to believe it then becomes that person's god. It carrys with it more power then the person and is blameless because their is no end of questions being answered without any real solid proof or foundation. Most not all accept whatever religion offers of their choosing and happily-sometimes-moves on. Others of course are more deadly and harmful as we know. If one comes to the point of casting religion aside, I believe this to be a good start in actually evaluating one's beliefs. Assuming that this person still seeks this God. Let's change the name God and Jesus Christ to a name of your choice. Any name. Just to get the old religion thinking out of mind and be able to consider that their could be something that is there but not yet realized. I mean after all is said and done, in a few short years others will take this spot you now hold. You will be dead and others will question again. As it has been going on for a long time. And when we no longer appear to the living as the men and woman that we are now. Could there possibly be another side of the story of Man.

Blameing me for you not knowing something is pretty silly.

Yeah, no one wants their intelligence insulted, can't have that now can we. Lindy has a grasp on the matter as well as a few here. God loves a good riddle and a good riddle solved that leads to another. Why did God create the Devil? Why did God create Man should be the question. For therein is the devil. And God. And heavens and earth and all that is within it. And it's not how I sound so much as how it's heard.

So I should say I don't know when I do. And just because you don't see the 'bible' lining up with real life doesn't mean someone else doesn't. The bible isn't understood because few want to understand. Most want it handed to them, instead of working for it the way it says to get an understanding of it. Furthermore those who speak words that not only open the scriptures but the heart and life of God, are ignored.

Why do you George imply that everyone (or as you say 'religious folks') are saying what you say they are saying. Huh???? If I had the answers I wouldn't give them to someone who does not want them.

humbleness or meekness to me just means that i know i don't know and asking from that kind of heart from the heart not asking to lord it over anyone or asking just to know something i think someone else doesn't know and ready to change my thinking should that be required and it usually is

When it makes sense, you'll know it. This is what faith is in. That which has been shown to you by God. And it will most likely be senseless at first, or even a bit startling. If you are not getting answers, review the question and review what you are expecting. Cause it won't be what you expect, but it will be right for you.