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I meet prophets and prophets who are women a lot. None of them tell me what to do or think. Depends on what a person thinks a prophet is a suppose. psssst....it ain't what we were taught in twi And as for those who think we at gsc should get a life, as i heard somewhere on this thread. Thank you i am perhaps you should quit telling me what to do in such vague repulsive venom, and check out what really is happening with a lot of people here at gsc. It's not their lives, but a small portion of it. Look a little deeper then your shallow empty words. People will live and have died here at gsc. God knows the contribution to each individual this place has brought. No allegiance is required nor membership. Those who run this forum do it from their hearts, expecting nothing in return. God is not unrighteous to forget their labor of love. No tapes, no books, no weekly newsletter. But real life experiences and documentation by the hundreds, and even thousands. Thousands of great truths from the real prophets. Those who speak from the heart.

Hey Mr. Hammeroni, Every one is properly qualified to give themselves to God. And make Godly choices. No one is properly qualified to choose for someone else. Someoneelse that has gone so far to the point of not being capable of making decisions. There are such people. People are to help them get back to where they can decide and make choices. Some times these people never recover from insanity.

From my previous post I must say that physical and mental abuses can be resolved. Though most, not all, have ended in divorce or the lives of the two married and their children are threatened and sometimes end in death. So i'm not saying stick it out and endure the abuse, but try to resolve the problem-If possible . Unfortunately for most they are self willed, self seeking people who will not change by choice. Choose to solve the problems honestly. You have not figured them out. A higher power then you must be called in. And this power is not you. Or another person. All you have to know about God is that he is. And it ain't you. Seek his help. Suggestions from others who know this power, will inspire courses of action, things to do, and things to maintain. May God keep you in His Holy Hand, As we keep ours in His.

The 'church' is not ces or whatever name you want to give it. The church is within. And it is within an individual to work out problems. Be it marriage or whatever. If more then one is involved, the person must be honest. Admit his faults and weaknesses to God the other person and, if a third party, Not a 'church' was to be involved by these two asking their help. The most simple thing to do is to help these two help themselves. They are not to make a ruling in such a matter as marriage. It's outside of their, the third person's responsibility. Though the two have made it the other's business. That does NOT mean that that person has the right to say what to do. Offering alternates and courses of action to take to resolve the problem. That is the only way it will work in a GODLY manner. Otherwise it is self seeking, gratifying of the flesh under the pretense of Godly direction. The direction for one to take is in that person. NO ONE ELSE. There is not an easy way out of hard situations. These things are to be handled in a Godly manner. If someone is involved in helping my marriage, it is still me and my wife to discover and find the answers within ourselves and not from within another person. Even if divorce is a suggestion from this third party, it must be whole heartedly from the heart of the two that are married. Clearly the scriptures declare that if one is married to not seek a divorce and another wife. Unless the unbelieving depart. And that's the tricky part what is being believed, God or what someone else is saying God says. If one goes by what someone else says God says then it is plain to see that it was not their decision but someone elses'. Thanks for bringing that up Raf, Divorce should always be the last resort. Leaving CES would have probably solved a lot of problems while they were married. In fact I suspect these [edited by modcat5] stem from what ces and the rest of the group was doing to them. Remaining ignorant of the causes, and still the problems are not solved. Divorced or not. Running from your problems is never the answer. They always follow you whereever you go. Taking an honest and thorough look at themselves would help. Righting wrongs. Facing the challenges that will come no matter what situation one is in.

Yeah Oldiesman...and we all followed "doctor" cuz of what he said God told him. Funny, I see no difference here. Except no snow on the pumps. Yeah, no difference. Either they back peddle, ignore or change the 'revelation'. And selectively following advice from one who has his tombstone- 'I Wish I Were The Man I knew To Be' What a loser, if he knew to be it, then he could. But he didn't cause he wanted his own way and not God's.

Kind of funny how CES got started. The adultry paper then pop. And I had the distinct impression that it was a lot about diverting abs to ces. That was in the beginning, which really the beginning is based on what wierwille taught too. So I don't see a problem with breaking this egg open right here at gsc.

I've had some paranormal experiences but they are not my standard for living. Love is and other good morals and ethics. Something about looking for signs in their group that ain't right.

So the phrase itself is really not the problem. It's meaning that the speaker has behind it is. If I say I apologize if I offended... Then I hopefully mean that the 'I' is the problem. Meaning I didn't communicate well. And not the 'if'. Implying that the other person has the problem. Good subject to bring up Oaks. I'm sure I'm as guilty as anyone. Will try to communicate better in that regard.

So the point is to communicate without indicating or implying or saying that there is something wrong with the other person I suppose. And what if the person is wrong and it needs to be pointed out. Like the abuse from twi and things of that nature.

do you know what program they used to make it a movie?

Belle, So the question is, how do we make them non offensive, yet still say what we mean. Though some will be offended anyway for whatever reasons. And we can't control another's response, but try to help communicate.

Thanks ChattyKathy, I always enjoy and appreciate your responses.

Or should it be. 'If I have offended you let me know, so we can clarify our thinking.' How's that Oakspear.

Garth, I would add regarding how and what we are to do and think. If a person who is no less or more then me would just lay it on the table. Then I can decide for myself what I need to do. And it might be something totally different then what is said. Someone else's words could inspire other thoughts and directions. And no one speaks for God imo. He can do that himself very well. Sure we speak the word. But as God inspires. But that don't mean that it's instruction. Far from it, to enlighten the eyes is his purpose. Specific instruction will come from within yourself. Wether from the spirit or just common sense which is the spirit too. Some crazy stuff going on there, looks like. Going to extremes.

I'm not familiar with 'antivert'. But you can make a new page file system. right click 'my computer' left click properties left click 'advanced tab' left click 'performance settings' set it to no paging file then reboot after reboot repeat process but set it to system managed this will make a new paging file

Forgiveness from others is not required. I just have to do what I have to do. I can't control what someone else thinks. It all still boils down to being honest and thorough. Not a half-hearted attempt, but really doing it from the heart.

Exactly Jerry. It's not a pressure type thing. You have to want to. Rush it and things will be missed.

And to add this-the more I learn or am shown by God the more I know I don't know. Peace And this is some things to do all the time and what I should have been doing anyway.

How so Seth? At first I wasn't quite sure where to put this. But I think 'Open' is the place for it. I've learned more in the short time I've been doing these steps, then my entire time in twi. Currently working on these- Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Which takes a certain amount of emotional detachment to really take a look at yourself and the past and the present. It also leads to the last steps cause this is what you are really doing. Prayer and meditation. I think I might start a thread on that in Doctrinal.

a Christmas Thank You (it'll play without changing security settings if you get that popup from windows) http://www.123greetings.com/events/seasons...ours/home1.html

that is cool can we add more cards to your thread OnionEater?

I've found about myself that I'm a focuser. When I have something to do I really focus in on it. This is a flaw and a good thing. Kind of tricky. Twi didn't help, I focused on it for twenty years. It's focus was on itself. Then I focused, zeroed in on blowing up what they had taught me. Which took about 3 years. Though I still must maintain a course to keep their junk out of my head. Then after that three years I found I didn't have much to focus on that intensly. So I got idle and drank too much which turned into a problem. And I'm not blaming twi. But my own character makeup. So instead of focusing so much, I must take in the bigger picture also. Which is changing me. So I am focusing on me to get better by doing those steps. But I also will not miss out on the bigger picture this time.

Thanks for the comment RumRunner, and glad you are doing better also. One day at a time works in many situations if we are applying some sort of solution. Compassion is nice to have but will not hinder if it's not there. And it is from most who posted. Having the compassion and drive in yourself, and bringing it to the surface in the form of action is power. Wether to help yourself or another.

it's kind of fun to look at the past and dream of the future and really all we have right at this moment is right now-this moment everyone has the past to look at and the future it's the present that is baffling... hohoho ohohoh how many ways can the present be opened?

And I think in a real way it's a selfish thing to do. In a great way. Cause if you don't have the help then how can you help another. So in a good selfishness to improve yourselves. To concentrate on fixing yourself. However you want to put it. And have fun too...yeah... Thanks Paw GSC has helped me tremendously.